Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: >> I would prefer for President, EVP, directors to agree on a single email >> alias that is an unarchived alias, with a published list of the specific >> ASF Officers or Members that

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > To a native English reader, Shane's commentary is perfectly aligned with > Marvin's patch. Yes. Which is why I wrote: "Marvin, at this point what I'm about to ask of you is grossly unfair (since your proposal, apparently doesn't really make a

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
If you can find all the same detailed explanations that Shane has provided in your paragraph simply saying "because I believe we still archive the president@ alias" I'll buy you a beer. Also, Joe, I'm sorry to say that -- but I do find your writing style *very* difficult to follow when it comes to

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
To a native English reader, Shane's commentary is perfectly aligned with Marvin's patch.  There are absolutely no gaps in direction despite your fierce irrational opposition to having a pair of board members try to get something meaningful accomplished for the foundation. How about letting peopl

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
Here is what Shane said:"Emails to president@ (as far as I can tell) go to an alias which forwards to Ross (and EVP, and possibly someone else), as well as going to an archived mailbox which I and others can access (not sure if it's just a group of officers & board, or if this archive is Member ac

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
Here was your reply to me when I first pointed out the deficiencies with president@.  So much for the difficult to understand flowery prose, you keep changing your stripes with each passing hour: On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 8:02 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > > Having a foundation wide CoC is great,

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Here's what I wrote to you on members@ Roman: > > """ > You're overlooking the archiving problem with president@ Roman. > That we tell people in the CoC that a report to that channel is available > to roughly 600 people unknown to them is need

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Joe Schaefer
Here's what I wrote to you on members@ Roman: """You're overlooking the archiving problem with president@ Roman.That we tell people in the CoC that a report to that channel is availableto roughly 600 people unknown to them is needed if we are going tonot paper over the fact that it's really not

Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)

2016-05-27 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Is a president-private@ mail forward out of the question? If the president is part of the problem, then inform to send to board-private@ instead? Niclas On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Joe Schaefer > wrote: > > Roman, > > I've been be