Re: ApacheCon schedule status

2014-02-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > I've got a mostly-done tentative schedule, and I need lots of people to look > at it. Looks like my Incubator talk is scheduled to be given on both Day 1 and Day 3. Yes, it will be so awesome that attendees will demand an encore. Marvin Humph

ApacheCon schedule status

2014-02-13 Thread Rich Bowen
I've got a mostly-done tentative schedule, and I need lots of people to look at it. http://tm3.org/cfpreview is all of the talks, broken into categories http://tm3.org/actracks is the proposed schedule I'm waiting for feedback from the Hadoop/Bigdata folks, and from the Science folks, so those

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Stephen Connolly
On Thursday, 13 February 2014, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > Change is hard, we aren't a tiny org and we do have an opinion about how > things should be done. That's all I'll say about the git stuff. > > But let's face reality for a moment- Cordova has averaged one release a > month for the past seve

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Joseph Schaefer
Change is hard, we aren't a tiny org and we do have an opinion about how things should be done. That's all I'll say about the git stuff. But let's face reality for a moment- Cordova has averaged one release a month for the past seven months. Why then is a three day window a dealbreaker? Sent

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:26 AM, jan i wrote: > Especially for the community track a panel discussion, with a short > introduction from each panel member could be a lot more lively and thereby > giving for us all. > > The community track is all about our communities, so why not do some of the > t

Re: ApacheCon status and proceeding forward

2014-02-13 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi Rich! On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > 3) http://tm3.org/actracks/ is days and proposed tracks each day. Now that > I'm done with #2, I'm moving on to #3, taking the completed tracks and > populating the actual schedule in #3. From here, we'll have to either add or > remove

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Not sure if it's a mischaracterization. I have the same understanding as Benson that that many comments on git threads reflected the perception that git/github are incompatible with ASF. Not the point however. What I see again is, for the most part, violent agreement that turns into lengthy th

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 01:27:17 -0200, Joseph Schaefer wrote: On Feb 12, 2014, at 10:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: I know this looks old-fashioned, even downright anachronistic to "push-hourly-from-CI" people; but deciding *what* to r

Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed

2014-02-13 Thread jan i
On 13 February 2014 20:27, Melissa Warnkin wrote: > :) LOL So, we're NOT in an ideal world?!?!...be still my beating heart!!! > LOL > No, googleDocs is not driven by ApacheOpenOffice, yet :-) have a nice day. jan I. > > Thanks for all of your help, Kay!!! > > > > > > __

Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed

2014-02-13 Thread Melissa Warnkin
:) LOL So, we're NOT in an ideal world?!?!...be still my beating heart!!! LOL Thanks for all of your help, Kay!!! From: Kay Schenk To: dev@community.apache.org; Melissa Warnkin Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 2:03 PM Subject: Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance

Re: ApacheCon status and proceeding forward

2014-02-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 02/12/2014 11:57 AM, Jan Willem Janssen wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm a bit confused as to what the current status is on the track >> selection for ApacheCon NA. I've seen the proposed tra

Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed

2014-02-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Melissa Warnkin wrote: > It's a google doc, so the changes should have been saved immediately, no? > > > Well in an ideal world, yes...I > > > > From: Kay Schenk > To: dev@community.apache.org > Sent: Thursday, February 13

Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed

2014-02-13 Thread Melissa Warnkin
It's a google doc, so the changes should have been saved immediately, no? From: Kay Schenk To: dev@community.apache.org Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Rich Bowen wro

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread Jan Willem Janssen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/02/14 19:25, David Nalley wrote: > There are 4 incubator related talks marked as accept - we could > surely pare one of those down. I was thinking in the same line. So +1 for rejecting one of those. - -- Met vriendelijke groeten | Kind regard

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread Rich Bowen
On 02/13/2014 01:24 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: Please have a look at http://tm3.org/cfpreview Community tab. We currently have 19 talks that have been marked as 'Accept' in the CFP system, and I would like to fit this content into 18 sessio

Re: ApacheCon CFP: Assistance needed

2014-02-13 Thread Kay Schenk
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 02/12/2014 08:08 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> I'm going through the reviewed talks and marking things as "yes" and "no" >>> in http://tm3.org/cfpreview/ based on their average score.

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread jan i
On 13 February 2014 19:10, Rich Bowen wrote: > All, > > Please have a look at http://tm3.org/cfpreview Community tab. > > We currently have 19 talks that have been marked as 'Accept' in the CFP > system, and I would like to fit this content into 18 sessions. I'd like > some feedback on what talk

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > All, > > Please have a look at http://tm3.org/cfpreview Community tab. > > We currently have 19 talks that have been marked as 'Accept' in the CFP > system, and I would like to fit this content into 18 sessions. I'd like some > feedback on what

Re: ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Please have a look at http://tm3.org/cfpreview Community tab. > > We currently have 19 talks that have been marked as 'Accept' in the CFP > system, and I would like to fit this content into 18 sessions. My Incubator talk is listed in two trac

ApacheCon Community track

2014-02-13 Thread Rich Bowen
All, Please have a look at http://tm3.org/cfpreview Community tab. We currently have 19 talks that have been marked as 'Accept' in the CFP system, and I would like to fit this content into 18 sessions. I'd like some feedback on what talk we should drop. There's a lot of overlap in many of the

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > > That is a mischaracterization of the git story which was always about being > able to support multiple version control tools. Yes people were concerned > about the social side but we wouldn't be Apache without that debate. > > Same her

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Dave Cottlehuber
On 13 February 2014 04:25, Brian LeRoux wrote: > I'd like to throw out some thoughts in support of this thinking and help > explore how we can support faster releases at Apache. > > Cordova has bias to shipping. We started shipping on a schedule mid 2011 > and this was a very deliberate choice, af

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Joseph Schaefer
That is a mischaracterization of the git story which was always about being able to support multiple version control tools. Yes people were concerned about the social side but we wouldn't be Apache without that debate. Same here. All you are seeing is some natural skepticism about the claims

Re: How can we support a faster release cadence?

2014-02-13 Thread Benson Margulies
This conversation goes in a circle. I see two positions: 1: Cadence releases are inevitably incompatible with Apache community values. 2: Cadence releases are not inevitably incompatible with Apache community values. People who take the first position see this desire to use cadence as weakening o