Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-28 Thread Olivier Lamy
Still no response from infra https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-5657 So I don't know how to start importing content... What to do is: * upgrade to parent 28-SNAPSHOT * add a property exec which contains the project path relative to commons.a.o And that's it :-) parent will need a chan

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-28 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/18/12 2:32 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Olivier Lamy : >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >>> On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> Maybe could be simpler with committing your sta

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Olivier Lamy : > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> >> On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> > Maybe could be simpler with committing your staged versionned site to > log4j2

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >>> >>> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >>> > Maybe could be simpler with committing your staged versionned site to log4j2-xxx (tru the maven plugin) for review

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> >> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> >>> Maybe could be simpler with committing your staged versionned site to >>> log4j2-xxx (tru the maven plugin) for review and then modifying >>> .htaccess

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >>> >> Maybe could be simpler with committing your staged versionned site to >> log4j2-xxx (tru the maven plugin) for review and then modifying >> .htaccess file (too prevent huge checkout on your machine and to >> modi

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> > Maybe could be simpler with committing your staged versionned site to > log4j2-xxx (tru the maven plugin) for review and then modifying > .htaccess file (too prevent huge checkout on your machine and to > modify a symlink this probably won't

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >>> >>> On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers :

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> >> On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> I still don't understand wh

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >>> >>> On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. > That is not r

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 18, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> >> On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> >>> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. That is not required. Just use stage-deploy to

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > >> 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >>> I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. >>> That is not required. Just use stage-deploy to deploy to a local directory >>> on your computer, then copy

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
extpaths.txt operates by saying that everything under the subdirectories named in it is excluded from the CMS and must be manually managed. So what Logging does is have the main site be managed in the CMS. The links in the parent project point to generic project directories that are symlinks.

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Matt Benson
Let me see if I understand. Are you saying, Ralph, that when we have generated content to expose on the website, we should commit it directly to the production website svn and mark it in extpaths.txt back in our tree in mainrepo, basically because that avoids the duplication that is created by sto

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 18, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : >> I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. >> That is not required. Just use stage-deploy to deploy to a local directory >> on your computer, then copy that under where you have the pro

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Ralph Goers : > I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. That > is not required. Just use stage-deploy to deploy to a local directory on > your computer, then copy that under where you have the production web site > checked out and check it in. See >

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Ralph Goers
I still don't understand why you are committing the subprojects to svn. That is not required. Just use stage-deploy to deploy to a local directory on your computer, then copy that under where you have the production web site checked out and check it in. See http://wiki.apache.org/logging/Mana

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-18 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Olivier Lamy : > 2012/12/18 Phil Steitz : >> On 12/17/12 5:55 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >>> ETA of the migration: >>> collections and lang done. >>> >>> results: >>> * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang/ >>> * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/collections/ >>> >>> As Gary s

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-17 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/18 Phil Steitz : > On 12/17/12 5:55 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: >> ETA of the migration: >> collections and lang done. >> >> results: >> * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang/ >> * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/collections/ >> >> As Gary suggested old javadocs are >> http://p

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-17 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/17/12 5:55 AM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > ETA of the migration: > collections and lang done. > > results: > * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang/ > * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/collections/ > > As Gary suggested old javadocs are > http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-17 Thread Olivier Lamy
ETA of the migration: collections and lang done. results: * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang/ * http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/collections/ As Gary suggested old javadocs are http://people.apache.org/~olamy/commons/lang/javadocs NOTE I didn't import all previous versions. Do

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-15 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/15 Olivier Lamy : > 2012/12/15 Ralph Goers : >> And now I'm even more confused since I just saw your commits to build the >> CMS site using Maven. > I started with main site and as I'm in eu I wanted to sleep a bit :-). > I will try to work on sub projects today (it's only a matter of > co

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/15 Ralph Goers : > And now I'm even more confused since I just saw your commits to build the CMS > site using Maven. I started with main site and as I'm in eu I wanted to sleep a bit :-). I will try to work on sub projects today (it's only a matter of configuring parent pom normally) And t

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/15 Ralph Goers : > So now I'm confused. You are proposing to bypass the CMS altogether and only > publish to the live site. Why? Even projects like Flume that use maven for > the site build still do it in the CMS. > Nope I propose to use both. very similar as flume, maven (maybe others

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Ralph Goers
And now I'm even more confused since I just saw your commits to build the CMS site using Maven. Ralph On Dec 14, 2012, at 6:35 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > So now I'm confused. You are proposing to bypass the CMS altogether and only > publish to the live site. Why? Even projects like Flume that

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Ralph Goers
So now I'm confused. You are proposing to bypass the CMS altogether and only publish to the live site. Why? Even projects like Flume that use maven for the site build still do it in the CMS. Ralph On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: > 2012/12/15 Olivier Lamy : >> 2012/12/15 Mat

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/15 Olivier Lamy : > 2012/12/15 Matt Benson : >> Olivier, >> Thanks for your response and offer to contribute! We do have a few >> multi-module components here. Of "proper" components, there is only [jci] >> that I know of, but [proxy]'s 2.0 branch is multimodule, and we had >> intended

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Olivier Lamy
2012/12/15 Matt Benson : > Olivier, > Thanks for your response and offer to contribute! We do have a few > multi-module components here. Of "proper" components, there is only [jci] > that I know of, but [proxy]'s 2.0 branch is multimodule, and we had > intended to take [functor] multimodule bef

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Benson
Olivier, Thanks for your response and offer to contribute! We do have a few multi-module components here. Of "proper" components, there is only [jci] that I know of, but [proxy]'s 2.0 branch is multimodule, and we had intended to take [functor] multimodule before a release is made. I'm perusin

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Olivier Lamy
/me listening here Note maven.apache.org has been migrated this week. If you want to mix cms and maven site generation, we do that. Note: even the main site is generated with a maven build but we can edit files (apt/xdoc/markdown) with the cms editor The source tree need some modifications: see

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Benson
I never questioned that the individual components would most likely continue with the Maven-generated content. I do question whether we want to bother laying out the main site when we have something that works. br, Matt On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Gilles Sadowski < gil...@harfang.homelinux

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Gilles Sadowski
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:52:17PM -0600, Matt Benson wrote: > I've just added the directory to our svn tree so that there would be > someplace at which to point it. I think the next step is to determine > whether we want a "normal" CMS site like Logging has, in which case we > could prop somethin

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Benson
I've just added the directory to our svn tree so that there would be someplace at which to point it. I think the next step is to determine whether we want a "normal" CMS site like Logging has, in which case we could prop something up with e.g. Twitter bootstrap as is becoming quite popular among A

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hi. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 03:12:31PM -0600, Matt Benson wrote: > I've been talking to Joe S. on #asfinfra about this; rather than using a > test site infra would prefer we request the CMS site, just not exposed to > commons.a.o until we're satisfied with it. Do we want to use the CMS a la > Apa

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-14 Thread Matt Benson
I've been talking to Joe S. on #asfinfra about this; rather than using a test site infra would prefer we request the CMS site, just not exposed to commons.a.o until we're satisfied with it. Do we want to use the CMS a la Apache Logging, or do we want to explore keeping the main site Maven-generate

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-12 Thread Ralph Goers
At the very least, someone should file a Jira asking for a commons-test site. Ralph On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 12/10/12 5:10 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, sebb wrote: >> >>> On 10 December 2012 21:53, Phil Steitz wrote: On 12/10/12 1:27

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/10/12 5:10 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, sebb wrote: > >> On 10 December 2012 21:53, Phil Steitz wrote: >>> On 12/10/12 1:27 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: Yes, I think you are missing something fundamental. If you check in "the whole mess" you will never again

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Ralph Goers
On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, sebb wrote: > On 10 December 2012 21:53, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 12/10/12 1:27 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: >>> Yes, I think you are missing something fundamental. >>> >>> If you check in "the whole mess" you will never again be able to properly >>> build a sub-project'

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread sebb
On 10 December 2012 21:53, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 12/10/12 1:27 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> Yes, I think you are missing something fundamental. >> >> If you check in "the whole mess" you will never again be able to properly >> build a sub-project's site with Maven. This is because the process of

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/10/12 1:27 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > Yes, I think you are missing something fundamental. > > If you check in "the whole mess" you will never again be able to properly > build a sub-project's site with Maven. This is because the process of > updating the site would require first doing a diff

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Matt Benson
Ralph, Thanks for your response, and sorry if I'm still being dense, but let's just use the [lang] component as an example. Why can't I, at any point, generate the component's site locally, then surgically modify svn so that lang/ from the content root now contains the generated content? Where

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Ralph Goers
Yes, I think you are missing something fundamental. If you check in "the whole mess" you will never again be able to properly build a sub-project's site with Maven. This is because the process of updating the site would require first doing a diff and then deleting items that are not included i

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Matt Benson
I don't think there's much percentage in moving to the CMS with a structure like that of Commons. That said, checking in the whole mess, as Phil suggests, seems perfectly doable and should not preclude updating parts of the tree in quite a similar fashion as how updating a given component's site i

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/10/12 11:40 AM, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 12/10/12 10:50 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how to >> migrate anything without migrating the main site first. > Having now looked at [1], it looks to me like we can solve the > immediat

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: > On 12/10/12 10:50 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how to >> migrate anything without migrating the main site first. > > Having now looked at [1], it looks to me like we can solve

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/10/12 10:50 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how to > migrate anything without migrating the main site first. Having now looked at [1], it looks to me like we can solve the immediate problem using svn pub-sub. The docs are not c

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how to > migrate anything without migrating the main site first. > > I suppose it is possible to point to the sub-sites in their current location > but in logging we found

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Matt Benson
They should all be built w/ Maven AFAIK. Matt On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how > to migrate anything without migrating the main site first. > > I suppose it is possible to point to the sub-sites in t

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Ralph Goers
All the sub-sites are hooked off the main site. I would have no idea how to migrate anything without migrating the main site first. I suppose it is possible to point to the sub-sites in their current location but in logging we found it more beneficial to simply copy the content under the main

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Phil Steitz
On 12/10/12 7:55 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > That is what we did in logging. Changing it at the end is fairly easy. > However, we don't have much time for testing. Do we really have to do it all at once? IIUC (which is quite possibly false), the intent here is to get everyone onto svn pub-sub and

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Ralph Goers
That is what we did in logging. Changing it at the end is fairly easy. However, we don't have much time for testing. Ralph On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> Well, we have to start somewhere. This is going to be a

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Hm... or publish to SVN until we have it all and then switch, until then the site will be static. G On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory > wrote: > > Well, we have to start somewhere. This is going to be a lot of work, > >

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Well, we have to start somewhere. This is going to be a lot of work, > we have many components, unless you see a short cut. I thought we would create: commons-test.apache.org move all components to there and then make a switch from commons.ap

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Well, we have to start somewhere. This is going to be a lot of work, we have many components, unless you see a short cut. Gary On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:13, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> Bah, let's pick one component and start there and skip a

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: > Bah, let's pick one component and start there and skip a test site. But then there is only one component visible under the new commons.a.o? > Gary > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:08, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > >> starting from 1. January. Just

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Gary Gregory
Bah, let's pick one component and start there and skip a test site. Gary On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:08, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > starting from 1. January. Just saw a final reminder from Infra. > > Commons is surely a LOT of work. > > I would like to suggest we act immediately. > > In other terms

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Gilles Sadowski
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 09:07:32AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > starting from 1. January. Just saw a final reminder from Infra. > > Commons is surely a LOT of work. > > I would like to suggest we act immediately. > > In other terms: let us request a commons-test cms where we can try thing

We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
starting from 1. January. Just saw a final reminder from Infra. Commons is surely a LOT of work. I would like to suggest we act immediately. In other terms: let us request a commons-test cms where we can try things out and prepare the new sites. As Ralph Goers has already mentioned, we have a s