Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 8 Oct 2013, at 6:53, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi Not sure svn is the issue. What makes quality and which rules are mandatory is more important IMO. If you want to attract a new generation it is important. Would you contribute to a CVS project? I would if you need it urgently for work.

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
My point was just the quality is not the issue of commons so not the first thing to do/move Le 8 oct. 2013 07:05, "James Ring" a écrit : > In my experience quality is greatly enhanced by code review. Whatever > we can do to have gerrit-style code review, let's do that IMO. > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread James Ring
In my experience quality is greatly enhanced by code review. Whatever we can do to have gerrit-style code review, let's do that IMO. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > Hi > > Not sure svn is the issue. What makes quality and which rules are mandatory > is more important I

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
Hi Not sure svn is the issue. What makes quality and which rules are mandatory is more important IMO. Following oracle java version (with a single one late - java 6 when java 7 is the current one) is one key i think. Another one would be to remove project from main sources/proper when nobody nee

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread James Ring
Whatever workflow we came up with, if we moved to Git I'd like to see Gerritt (https://code.google.com/p/gerrit/) used for code review. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:10 PM, James Carman wrote: > All, > > If we did want to move to Git, we'd probably have to figure out how > we'd manage our "workflow" (

[DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-07 Thread James Carman
All, If we did want to move to Git, we'd probably have to figure out how we'd manage our "workflow" (couldn't think of a better word). I suppose we'd have a separate repo for each component? What about proper vs. sandbox? How would we accommodate that paradigm? Has anyone else already gone thr

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/07/2013 11:59 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 07/10/2013 20:30, Phil Steitz a écrit : Great. We give sandbox commit to any ASF committer. Reply with your availIds and we can get that done immediately. Commit to commons proper requires a

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/07/2013 10:40 PM, Juan Antonio Breña Moral wrote: Hi, I am working with SCXML for HFSM with EV3 Robots. https://github.com/jabrena/liverobots Very nice! I would like to collaborate. Any ideas you have floating, bring them on! All help is appreciated. Now, Apache Commons SCXML is ru

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Phil Steitz
> On Oct 7, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: > > Le 07/10/2013 20:30, Phil Steitz a écrit : > >> Great. We give sandbox commit to any ASF committer. Reply with >> your availIds and we can get that done immediately. Commit to >> commons proper requires a little more process, but we ca

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 07/10/2013 20:30, Phil Steitz a écrit : > Great. We give sandbox commit to any ASF committer. Reply with > your availIds and we can get that done immediately. Commit to > commons proper requires a little more process, but we can get that > done easily assuming you want to join us as committe

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Thomas Neidhart
On 10/06/2013 09:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > James, > > thank you. > > I believe Commons is in a bad shape. > > Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody > said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted. > http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/690771 > This

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/07/2013 08:14 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote: Hi, since we have discussed a lot of different aspects, it may be time to sum things up a bit (please correct me or add things I've missed): Release Management - Releases take too long - Build is overly complex - dependencies to parent pom seem to

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Juan Antonio Breña Moral
Hi, I am working with SCXML for HFSM with EV3 Robots. https://github.com/jabrena/liverobots I would like to collaborate. Now, Apache Commons SCXML is running in a ARM9 with good performance. Cheers On 10/07/2013 10:23 PM, Ate Douma wrote: On 10/07/2013 09:52 PM, Juan Antonio Breña Moral wro

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 10/7/13 1:20 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 10/07/2013 08:30 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> On 10/7/13 7:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote: >>> Hi SCXML developers/community, >>> >>> We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML >>> development is, and and/or who in the community might be >>> int

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/07/2013 09:52 PM, Juan Antonio Breña Moral wrote: Hi Great Idea. In my case I could test software and contribute a bit. Great to hear! Are you currently active user of SCXML? I'd love to hear in what context, what version, etc. I surely welcome your offer to test and contribute! Thanks,

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread James Carman
I don't see any reason why SCXML can't be "demoted" to the sandbox since it basically has no community right now. What say you, folks? On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 10/07/2013 08:30 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: >> >> On 10/7/13 7:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote: >>> >>> Hi SCXML develop

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
On 10/07/2013 08:30 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 10/7/13 7:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote: Hi SCXML developers/community, We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML development is, and and/or who in the community might be interested in re-activating it. From the mailing lists and

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
Hi Benedikt, On 10/07/2013 07:44 PM, Benedikt Ritter wrote: Hello Ate, we are going through some discussions at the moment about how we want to organize development at commons in the future [1]. I'm aware of it as I've been subscribed to this list for several months. So far only lurking but n

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Juan Antonio Breña Moral
Hi Great Idea. In my case I could test software and contribute a bit. Juan Antonio On 10/07/2013 08:30 PM, Phil Steitz wrote: On 10/7/13 7:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote: Hi SCXML developers/community, We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML development is, and and/or who i

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Phil Steitz
On 10/7/13 7:40 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > Hi SCXML developers/community, > > We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML > development is, and and/or who in the community might be > interested in re-activating it. > > From the mailing lists and JIRA activity we gather not much ha

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Benedikt Ritter
Hi, since we have discussed a lot of different aspects, it may be time to sum things up a bit (please correct me or add things I've missed): Release Management - Releases take too long - Build is overly complex - dependencies to parent pom seem to be unclear - to few releases (more releases may a

Re: [SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Benedikt Ritter
Hello Ate, we are going through some discussions at the moment about how we want to organize development at commons in the future [1]. We are always looking for people that want to contribute so I see no reason why you shouldn't dig right into the code. Regarding the reviewing: I don't now the SC

[SCXML] knock knock?

2013-10-07 Thread Ate Douma
Hi SCXML developers/community, We are trying to figure out what the status and activity of SCXML development is, and and/or who in the community might be interested in re-activating it. From the mailing lists and JIRA activity we gather not much has been happening here for a very long time: t

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread James Carman
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > > We discuss magic strings in the sandbox. Why? We don't need to discuss that. > Before we release we can simply check Sonar. Safe the time to discuss. Fix > it or leave it to Sonar to report it. > +1! This sort of behavior definitely

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On 7 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier > >wrote: >> >> What would be the difference to now? >>> >>> >>> The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt qu

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 7 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: What would be the difference to now? The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt quite at home at the webservices project when working in JaxMe, XML-RPC, or Axis.

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > What would be the difference to now? > > The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt quite at home at the webservices project when working in JaxMe, XML-RPC, or Axis. OTOH, I feel completely isolated, since ws-commons

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 7 Oct 2013, at 12:58, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote: Hi Jochen, Well summarized. And I think you figured out what the real problem is. We could work as in Incubator, isn't it? Having one big umbrella and real subprojects. What would be the difference to now? I understand Commons as a project

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
+1 Le 7 oct. 2013 12:58, "Jean-Louis MONTEIRO" a écrit : > Hi Jochen, > > Well summarized. > And I think you figured out what the real problem is. > > We could work as in Incubator, isn't it? > Having one big umbrella and real subprojects. > > > > JLouis > > > 2013/10/7 Jochen Wiedmann > > > I b

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Jean-Louis MONTEIRO
Hi Jochen, Well summarized. And I think you figured out what the real problem is. We could work as in Incubator, isn't it? Having one big umbrella and real subprojects. JLouis 2013/10/7 Jochen Wiedmann > I believe that the problem is Commons structure. To have one big project > which such

Re: [compress] Do we want 7z Archive*Stream-like classes

2013-10-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Document what you can hold, so that there isn't overly much promise. On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Stefan Bodewig wrote: > Hi all, > > over this weekend I added 7z support to the compress antlib which I also > like to use as a second testbed for Commons Compress - I even found a > bug for a

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
I believe that the problem is Commons structure. To have one big project which such a lot of subprojects blocks building a small community. You're not supposed to be a part of the small subproject, but the big community "Commons". While the former would be appealing for a newcomer, the latter just

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Luc Maisonobe
Hi all, Le 06/10/2013 21:44, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : > James, > > thank you. > > I believe Commons is in a bad shape. > > Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody > said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted. > http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/69077