Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-03-01 Thread Syed Ahmed
lace, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > @shapeblue > > > > From: Daan Hoogland > Sent: 28 Feb 2017 6:49 pm > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: > [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
tion service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) We already call the VMs as Instances. So, InstanceCluster would be a better name imo. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Daan Hoogland wrote: > Kishan, I see some sensible additions but also some unnecessary omissions. >

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
iginal Message- > From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com] > Sent: 27 February 2017 04:02 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service > (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestrat

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Syed Ahmed
gland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com] > Sent: 27 February 2017 04:02 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service > (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) > > Any follow up Koushik? I want to

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Daan Hoogland
---Original Message- From: Daan Hoogland [mailto:daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 27 February 2017 04:02 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) An

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Rene Moser
On 02/20/2017 02:56 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote: > So, being very late in the discussion but havingread the whole thread before > editting the title of this thread, > > Can we agree that we want a generic vm-cluster service and leave the > container bits to containers? Kishan can you share your desi

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-28 Thread Kishan Kavala
hoogl...@shapeblue.com] Sent: 27 February 2017 04:02 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) Any follow up Koushik? I want to refactor our proof of concept and integrate it in master.

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-27 Thread Daan Hoogland
ilto:daan.hoogl...@shapeblue.com] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 7:27 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) So, being very late in the discussion but havingread the whole

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-21 Thread Kishan Kavala
(was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service) So, being very late in the discussion but havingread the whole thread before editting the title of this thread, Can we agree that we want a generic vm-cluster service and leave the container bits to containers? Kishan can you share your d

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-20 Thread Wido den Hollander
Message- > From: Paul Angus [mailto:paul.an...@shapeblue.com] > Sent: dinsdag 7 februari 2017 08:14 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service > > Will is 100% correct. As I mentioned the Title is misleading. However,

[PROPOSAL] add native vm-cluster orchestration service (was: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service)

2017-02-20 Thread Daan Hoogland
dag 7 februari 2017 08:14 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service Will is 100% correct. As I mentioned the Title is misleading. However, Murali did clarify in his explanation; this is really about vm cluster orchestr

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-06 Thread Paul Angus
ack users have requested before > and we should propose a solution to this. > > Raj > > > From: Paul Angus > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 11:16:41 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orc

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-06 Thread Will Stevens
gt; and we should propose a solution to this. > > Raj > > > From: Paul Angus > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 11:16:41 AM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service > > #WhatHeSaid &g

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-06 Thread Rajesh Ramchandani
should propose a solution to this. Raj From: Paul Angus Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 11:16:41 AM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service #WhatHeSaid The title is misleading. The proposal is purely to add

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-06 Thread Paul Angus
uster. (or ignored completely). paul.an...@shapeblue.com  www.shapeblue.com 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK @shapeblue -Original Message- From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 January 2017 13:26 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-06 Thread Syed Ahmed
published don't have anything > specific to container_clusters and can be used for any service. > > -Original Message- > From: Murali Reddy [mailto:muralimmre...@gmail.com] > Sent: 02 February 2017 02:34 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add nativ

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-03 Thread Kishan Kavala
d can be used for any service. -Original Message- From: Murali Reddy [mailto:muralimmre...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 February 2017 02:34 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service Thanks for the feedback. There have been some concerns here

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-02-02 Thread Murali Reddy
Thanks for the feedback. There have been some concerns here with this proposal. I think we had sufficient valid arguments why we need this functionality in CloudStack. While this proposal is to use k8s as container orchestrator design should be able to adopt other container orchestrator. Unle

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-31 Thread Will Stevens
s/cloud-init/cloud-config/ On Jan 31, 2017 7:24 AM, "Will Stevens" wrote: > I think that is covered in this proposal. There is nothing k8s specific in > this integration (from what I understand), all the k8s details are passed > in via the cloud-init configuration after the cluster has been prov

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-31 Thread Will Stevens
I think that is covered in this proposal. There is nothing k8s specific in this integration (from what I understand), all the k8s details are passed in via the cloud-init configuration after the cluster has been provisioned. On Jan 31, 2017 3:06 AM, "Lianghwa Jou" wrote: There are many containe

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-31 Thread Lianghwa Jou
There are many container orchestrators. Those container orchestrators are happy to run on any VMs or bare metal machines. K8s is just one of them and there will be more in the future. It may not be a good idea to make CloudStack to be k8s aware. IMO, the relationship between k8s and cloudstack

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-30 Thread Rafael Weingärtner
I have been following the discussion on this thread here. I agree with everything that has been posted about the responsibility of maintaining/supporting plugins that sometimes we feel are being left aside and we do not know to what extent they are being used. However, as Will and others highlighte

RE: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-30 Thread Kishan Kavala
-service . I’ve been doing some prototypes on a similar kind of abstraction. -Original Message- From: Murali Reddy [mailto:murali.re...@shapeblue.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:24 PM To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service I

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-29 Thread Murali Reddy
I agree with some good views Will has shared and I also agree to the concerns raised by Wido and Eric. IMO we need balance of staying relevant/add new features vs stability of CloudStack and take corrective action if needed. We have two good examples for both. When SDN was hot technology CloudS

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-28 Thread Will Stevens
I agree that we need to be careful what we take on and own inside CloudStack. I feel like some of the plugins or integrations which we have been "maintaining" may serve us better to abandon, but I feel like that is a whole discussion on its own. In this case, I feel like there is a minimum viable

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-28 Thread Wido den Hollander
> Op 27 januari 2017 om 16:08 schreef Will Stevens : > > > Hey Murali, > How different is this proposal than what ShapeBlue already built. It looks > pretty consistent with the functionality that you guys open sourced in > Seville. > > I have not yet used this functionality, but I have reports

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-27 Thread Will Stevens
Hey Murali, How different is this proposal than what ShapeBlue already built. It looks pretty consistent with the functionality that you guys open sourced in Seville. I have not yet used this functionality, but I have reports that it works quite well. I believe the premise here is to only orches

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-27 Thread Erik Weber
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Murali Reddy wrote: > All, > > I would like propose native functionality into CloudStack to provide a > container service through which users out-of-the box can use to launch > container based application. Idea is to support ability to orchestrate the > resource

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-27 Thread Murali Reddy
Wido, This proposal is not suggesting CloudStack do the job of container orchestration like you mentioned we have number of purpose built options for that. As described in the FS, running containers on VM’s provisioned by IAAS is popular deployment model. If user wants to do same on CloudSt

Re: [PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-27 Thread Wido den Hollander
> Op 27 januari 2017 om 7:20 schreef Murali Reddy : > > > All, > > I would like propose native functionality into CloudStack to provide a > container service through which users out-of-the box can use to launch > container based application. Idea is to support ability to orchestrate the > re

[PROPOSAL] add native container orchestration service

2017-01-26 Thread Murali Reddy
All, I would like propose native functionality into CloudStack to provide a container service through which users out-of-the box can use to launch container based application. Idea is to support ability to orchestrate the resources and automate aspects of setting up container orchestrator throu