I've stored all the changes and should do them tomorrow.
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As I mentioned before, I am planning on changing the layout. I just haven't
had time to work out the details. I really wish that there was a universally
accepted #include directive for web pages so I could put the header stuff
in a seperate file.
- Jay
> Jay and Co.,
>
> Regarding the logo layou
> Ben Gertzfield:
> > Line-art looks terrible under JPEG compression
>
> Oh, you're right. Under netscape 4.03, it looks much worse on some of
> the pages than others - the main page looks OK, the lower pages look
> jaggy. The difference seems to be that where the size of the image
> is specified,
> >>>>> "James" == James A Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> James> I really wish that there was a universally accepted
> James> #include directive for web pages so I could put the header
> James> stuff in a seperate fil
Tim Sailer wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 1997 at 01:08:00PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > There is a problem with our internet provider and www.debian.org is down.
>
> I just had the chance to get DNS changed to point to www.us.debian.org
>
Great. It's nice to see that we can respond to these problem
> On Thu, Dec 18, 1997 at 11:12:58PM -0500, James A.Treacy wrote:
> > Tim Sailer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 18, 1997 at 01:08:00PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > > > There is a problem with our internet provider and www.debian.org is
> > > > down.
> > >
> > > I just had the chance to get DNS change
> I once wrote a simple Perl script, that copies a HTML file from stdin to
> stdout and replaces all text between too marker lines (included in HTML
> comment tags) with the contents of some include file. Since the marker
> lines are not removed from the output HTML file, you can run this script
>
The web pages should all be utilizing Captain Blue-Eye
in a reasonably good way right now. The changes ended
up occurring sooner than I'd hoped so I had to rush.
I'm pretty sure all the major problems are fixed, but
I'd appreciate it if people could thoroughly look
through the pages and report any
> #1 and #4 are obsolete now (my net connection to master is good enough and
> I like the current style :), but the mirroring still puzzles me. If a page
> is changed on master, it usually takes a day until www.debian.org get's it
> (right?). I think this is too slow for me. (I want to put out new
Martin Schulze wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 11:21:17AM +0100, Christian Schwarz wrote:
>
> > I was told that my Debian web pages on "fatman" are sometimes awfully slow
> > when accessed from the US. (Is this true?)
>
> Other way round, va is partially horrible slow from several places.
>
You
> Scott packaged faq-o-matic and left it in Incoming. Can someone get it working
> on va.debian.org or master and wire it into our web site?
>
I finally installed it on my machine and played with it a bit. It is an
interesting
program. Bruce, what is your intended use for this?
I am willing to i
> If you are not already doing so, you probably want to use rsync for this,
> since it only copies the changes. If you want any help setting it up, drop
> me
> a line.
>
va is using rsync to mirror the entire web directory and ftp archive.
> N.B. The --delete option can be a bit counter-intui
> I'm a little bit unhappy with our security page.
>
So am I. I hope you have noticed my attempts over the last few months
to get someone to take care of them. Unfortunately, all that has been
offered is criticism or offers to send in updates 'when I have time' -
clearly not good enough.
Well tha
> > fairly high volume). Can someone post the subscription address for bugtraq?
>
> It's [EMAIL PROTECTED] afaik
>
Thanks.
> > I agree with everything you've posted. I think it includes all the
> > criticisms received so far. The page you converted also looks good.
>
> Which one? Shall I compl
> I don't remember ever volunteering... uh, is that a cattle prod?
>
I must admit that I made a mistake. It was Alan Dorman who volunteered.
To be fair to you, let me talk to him and see if he is still interested.
If not, I'll get back to you... :)
> Well, I've little experience with this sort
> Does that mean we can log into va.debian.org, mkdir public_html, and put
> some stuff in there? I just did, and it worked!
> http://www.debian.org/~foka/Hello.html
> (Wow, free web space! )
>
> Questions:
>
> * Is anyone using this feature?
>
Currently, only you.
Christian may use this, but
Now that the new www.debian.org has been up for over a
month, I thought people might like to know what the web
usage is like. Check out http://www.debian.org/~treacy/analog.html
This page will be updated every Sunday morning.
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Joey wrote:
> Due to some problems with Mosaic some poeple on IRC wondered
> if we have some browser statistics? More NS user than Lynx?
>
There is an option to print browser statistics, but when I
tried it I got the error:
analog: Warning: Failed to open browser log /var/log/apache/agent.log: ig
> > There is an option to print browser statistics, but when I
> > tried it I got the error:
> > analog: Warning: Failed to open browser log /var/log/apache/agent.log:
> > ignoring it
>
> I've seen that our apache doesn't provide this logfile atm. Seems
> it's turned off.
>
Yup. Just checked th
> How do we continue? Who feels responsible for the security
> web pages?
>
I was waiting for an answer to my last mail. Let me simply rephrase it.
What do you feel your responsibilities are? In particular where do they end?
I have said from the beginning that I will take care of the actual pag
> How do we continue? Who feels responsible for the security
> web pages?
>
You can ignore my last mail. It seems you answered the questions after sending
this one.
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Here are the things I'd like to see done on the pages.
Feel free to add anything you'd like.
- get the entire pages indexed for searching. Anyone want
to volunteer to work on this? Verisim is currently doing
the entire site. Nothing against Verisim. I'd just prefer
something under our co
> > - fix up the doc section
>
> Could you please provide us with a few more details here?
>
Nothing to do with you or any of the docs Debian provides. It's
simply that the current organization of that page isn't very good.
Put another way, I want to change how the docs are presented on
the web
Chad Zimmerman wrote:
> > - get the entire pages indexed for searching. Anyone want
> >to volunteer to work on this? Verisim is currently doing
> >the entire site. Nothing against Verisim. I'd just prefer
> >something under our control. Free would be preferable too.
> >Guy and I ha
> It woould be very easy to add all kind of indexes and other features. But
> before starting the job I'd like to know what would you people like to see
> in those pages.
>
[snip]
>
> What else can be done?
>
changelog file(s)
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> On IRC many peope asking "Which package contains file xyz". Maybe
> we could include another cgi-bin that looks up a particular file
> in the Contents file(s)?
>
A lot of people seem to miss this, but there is a Contents search
on the main Packages page (below the other search). It currently
on
Before I start asking for translators for the web pages, it
seemed a good idea to ask for any opinions people might
have to improve the pages. Once the pages are translated,
making changes will result in a lot more work.
Although on the surface the pages don't look much different,
a lot has change
> > Nick Lichtmaier is making changes to the Packages pages to
> > internationalize them (I think) and improve them in other ways.
>
> I'd love to internationalize them (I've internationalized, and localized
> for Spanish some of my packages), but... where will the translated package
> descriptio
Moving this to debian-www where I meant to post it in the first place.
> > 3. Similar to 2, but each language references the pages in its language,
> >e.g. index.html.de would reference vendors.html.de . At the main
> >page the user would get a language (either by content negotiation
> >
> My proposal is this:
>
> Make all english pages have links with .html, all other language
> pages .html.. Make each page have a footer with links to .html
> .html.en .html.fr .html.de
>
This was the plan. It may not have been obvious as I felt I was being too
verbose
as
I've moved this to debian-www where it should have been in the first place.
> > Mirrors that don't support content negotiation would be stuck serving
> > in one language (the pages would be set up to default to English).
>
> Not necessarily true. I mean, the English part. For example, if the
> G
> Pardon me for being dense, but it is not any worse than the
> current situation, is it? I mean, we have the default language at the
> moment. Though we can't mandate content negotiation on mirror
> servers, we can suggest that they do so; don't most modern servers
> support CN quite eas
Aaargh. This content negotiation (CN) has some annoying quirks.
After re-reading the apache manual it appears we don't have a lot
of choice.
from the apache manual:
> The effect of MultiViews is as follows: if the server receives a request for
> /some/dir/foo,
> if /some/dir has MultiViews enable
This does almost exactly what we want although I was hoping to avoid type-maps.
One thing I'd prefer is if the server could be convinced to use the
type-map even if foo.html exists. That way, all mirrors could use ftp or rsync
to mirror the pages. Servers not using CN would simply serve foo.html (r
As I suspected when I started this discussion about content negotiation,
it is not proving easy to get all the mirrors to switch to using it.
It isn't that anyone has refused, it's just that I've only received 3
responses so far and there are 9 mirrors. As it's been almost a week,
I'll send more ma
> I am somehow reluctant to believe that CN will bring that
> much trouble for anyone. We are propably ignoring anyone who
> doesn't run apache, but that's the minority;)
>
I don't think anyone will object. It's simply getting their attention
long enough to get them to make the (
> The web server is back, the trouble seemed to stem from the new apache
> beta that is a bit different. Anyhow, the config file is properly set and
> berlin and debian are being ipless-virtual hosted. The berlin url is
> http://www.berlin-consortium.org/ and log stats are generated at ~jgg/ for
>
Looks like my previous reply had problems. Sorry if you get
this twice.
> There is a problem with the Berlin mirrors.
>http://www.berlin-consortium.org/
> works fine, but if I point at any of the mirrors, e.g.
>http://www.de.berlin-consortium.org/
> I land deep in Debian territory!
>
I'm l
> > Looks like my previous reply had problems. Sorry if you get
> > this twice.
> > > There is a problem with the Berlin mirrors.
> > >http://www.berlin-consortium.org/
> > > works fine, but if I point at any of the mirrors, e.g.
> > >http://www.de.berlin-consortium.org/
> > > I land deep i
> > There is a problem with the Berlin mirrors.
> >http://www.berlin-consortium.org/
> > works fine, but if I point at any of the mirrors, e.g.
> >http://www.de.berlin-consortium.org/
> > I land deep in Debian territory!
>
> I believe the reason is that the berlin people need to setup
> a
> From http://www.berlin-consortium.org/:
>
This was discussed yesterday. I guess you missed part of the discussion.
No one from the berlin project has responded to my queries about this.
Originally, on Friday, they had the links in properly.
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> sorry -- I thought the mirrors were mirroring the virtual hostname. I
> switched the pages back to /berlin on the mirrors. It will be updated
> whenever the update script runs.
>
I'm resyncing the mirror at va right now.
Some of the mirrors will have a problem for a while as they are way
beh
> I made a couple more versions, added some comments, and plopped it all
> in http://abbadingo.cs.unm.edu/~bap/debianlogo.html. They seem to
> render a bit more cleanly, at least on my browser, than do the ones on
> www.debian.org. Including the jpeg versions - don't know why.
>
> In case you wa
> Have we now a licence for using our logo!? The old one expired on Jan
> 31 and so nobody is allowed to use the logo anymore! Argh. Not very
> professional 8-(
>
I'll extend the license for another month.
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> sure. i'll also include modification instructions on that web page.
>
Great work. I've got them on master now and should have the logo page
fixed up sometime tomorrow.
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> Yes, they look good. For the web I often prefer transparent pictures.
> Any chance creating one? I have run giftrans on one of the pictures
> and noticed that the result isn't that good as there are still some
> rendered white shades.
>
If anyone ends up creating more of these, I'd appreciate
> Anyways, to the point...we are working on our web pages. Two things I
> would like to add that I see Debian doing very well are:
>
> 1. Automagic Mailing List Sub/Unsubcription page.
> 2. Automagic posting of the mailing lists in that pretty format.
>
> The first is easy, just involves grabb
> I was mirroring debian.crosslink.net until a week ago. Now I'm mirroring
> va (using rsync over ssh). The mirror process runs four times a week,
> should I change that to run daily?
>
Please. BTW, crosslink seems to have fixed their problems with keeping
the mirror up to date. :)
Now if only I
> What's content negociation?
>
Content negotiation is a method that lets the server decide which, among
some set of files, should be served. It's primary use is to serve pages
that are available in multiple languages. The default would be english
(although some of the mirrors might pick a differe
We need to come up with a comprehensive plan for the utilization of the
Debian machines and the (network) distribution of all aspects of Debian.
There are three somewhat distinct aspects of Debian:
listservers - This can easily be seperated from the rest. I think there
is currently a plan t
I have written to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to see if they will handle sending
out messages and collecting site names. It is important that we
have a mechanism for collecting and distributing the site names that
support http before we start asking them to set it up.
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Part of this will be a repeat for most of you, but Bruce asked that
this also be sent to Guy Maor and Ian Jackson. I have added a small
bit to the end.
> We need to come up with a comprehensive plan for the utilization of the
> Debian machines and the (network) distribution of all aspects of Debia
> > Something I would like to do soon is encourage mirrors to provide
> > the archive via HTTP as well as FTP. HTTP has gotten to the point
> > where it should obsolete FTP for _anoynmous_ service, and Deity does
> > HTTP preferentially over FTP.
>
> What we need too is to have a standard naming
> All cgi-script calls for Debian web site mirrors are directed to
> cgi.debian.org, correct? I'm asking because I recently set up a mirror,
> and I'm seeing some cgi errors when searching the mail archives.
>
Yes they are. The idea is to minimize the amount of work that mirrors
must do to mainta
> How's the current status of content negotiation for the web pages?
>
I'm glad you asked. There are two things that need to be done before I
ask for translators. I get a slow, but steady, stream of complaints that
our main page is ugly and boring. Some of the critics have offered to create
new ve
Georg Hitsch wrote:
> Hmmm - what have i to do in my apache configuration ?
>
As an example, this is what I have at home in my access.conf
Options Multiviews
Just change the directory to the one containing the web pages.
It might be necessary to do this seperately for debian.org-local .
Mike Shields wrote:
> James A.Treacy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >www.us.debian.org not working. Mike told me he set it up, but I just
> >checked and it doesn't appear to work.
>
> I didn't have any way to test it. What should I look at to know if it
> is workin
> > > Hmmm - what have i to do in my apache configuration ?
> > >
> > As an example, this is what I have at home in my access.conf
> >
> >Options Multiviews
> >
> That doesnt work - IMHO, because it doesnt follow the Symbolic-Links
> (for example to the List-Archive) ..
>
> I have now
For those of you who don't know, I am the current webmaster for Debian.
I just heard of this thread yesterday and was going to read the debian-user
archive, but won't bother as the discussion has been moved. Future replies
will not go to debian-user so subscribe to debian-www if you are interested
> o Get the mirror to run "stand-alone" without www.debian.org-Links!!!
> - very important, because there are tooo much links to www.debian.org
> What are mirrors for :)
> This is also important for the ftp-links!
> - i have many ideas (but my english is not soo well to write here much)
>
> On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:27:03 EST, "James A.Treacy" wrote:
>
> > Here are some points that should be addressed/discussed:
> >
> > Should we only redesign the top page, or modify all the pages to use frames
^^
Thomas Apel wrote:
> Martin Schulze wrote:
> >
> > > Thomas Apel wrote:
> > >
> > > > Who is interested in what I think of might have a look at:
> > > > http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~thomas.apel/debian/index.html
> >
> > I'm impressed. It looks quite professional. Only our logo is
> > missing...
> How is the attempt at getting http enabled archive mirrors doing? At the
> moment I know of
> ftp.de.debian.org
> llug.sep.bnl.gov
> ftp1.us.debian.org
> ftp.kernel.org
> ftp.cdrom.com
>
> Can we get more, esp nice would be ftp.debian.org .. Anyone want to manage
> a list of these?
>
I've
> > It would be much appreciated if someone were to actively work on getting
> > more mirrors to also serve the docs using http.
>
> docs?
>
That should say "... ftp archive using http". Who knows what I was thinking.
In a previous mail, Jason wrote:
> You want to arrange for http://ftp.au.debia
> After there seem to be quite a lot of people who think the web site
> could need a change I think we should now decide if we do it or not.
>
It has been my intention to change the site - at least the main page.
> If we decide to change the site one should announce this to the public.
> So every
> In addition to the index I also converted the following pages. Just
> follow the links on the index page.
>
> - About Debian
> - Distribution
> - Packages
> - Download via FTP
> - Debian on CD
>
> Take a look at it:
> http://www.koeln.netsurf.de/~thomas.apel/debian/index.html
>
> C
> On this note, I've wondered if anyone has noticed that the word "free"
> is used an awful lot in the "about Debian" page? From what I've been
> reading, "free" is not a good way to describe Linux, because it conveys
> the perception of reduced quality. I don't want to start any battles,
> a
> Very nice work. I see you validate the HTML (I like validated
> SGML) I think I would like a more prominent positioning of the
> choose server nearest you (seems like it is only relevant to searches
> as it is), but this is a very minor nit. Also, is there a way to have
> a small Capta
> > One suggestion I have is to rotate the "What is Debian?" section with
> > others, to maintain variety and keep web surfers interest. Some
> > potential substitues may include a select news story, particularly one
> > which advocates Debian or gives the latest breaking news on release
> > infor
> rsync with a -n (or --dry-run) option will tell you which files it would
> copy, delete etc. without actually touching anything.
>
This was done last night and found one other bad file in the Bug lists.
Since rsync doesn't check file contents, just sizes, it won't catch any bit
errors as occurre
I don't know why you have trouble with rsync. Mirror is the program
that has caused most everyone else trouble. On most days, rsync takes
less than 10 minutes to update the web site.
> But: Why has the mailing-list to be mirrored?
>
Check out http://va.debian.org/~treacy and you will see that the
> > /web/debian.org-RCS/Documentation.old/texi/elisp/RCS/elisp_10.html,v
> > /web/debian.org-RCS/Documentation.old/texi/elisp/RCS/elisp_4.html,v
>
> That's a problem.
>
These aren't a problem at all. Those files were a few years old and
were for things that aren't even on the web site anymore.
>
> There used to be an attribution paragraph on the end of the DFSG. Please
> restore it, or at least provide a link to the attribution. It's really
> uncool to remove the author information from a document.
>
Bruce,
This is the same document that has been up since last July and is exactly
as it
> Hi guys, I'm not sure whom I should sent this to. I don't know if
> you have notices, but the archives for debian-user-spanish are
> not accesible on the web site. Could you please add them there?
>
There were problems with va.debian.org which hosts www.debian.org
so www it was temporarily moved
I have received a few complaints that mirroring Debian is difficult.
The complaints have been primarily with the web pages.
First, the pages are in 2 seperate directories with symbolic links
from one (debian.org) into the other (debian.org-local). -local
contains files that are updated automatical
> rsync does not work ok in my opinion
> [and its very slow, too]
>
I found that rsync was not very fast when doing an initial mirror
(mirroring the ftp archive took about 20 hours), but is quite
fast after that. This is probably due to the use of ssh.
Newer versions seem faster btw. Probably
> Why aren't we using CVS to handle all our static pages?
>
All the pages that are maintained by multiple people should
already be using RCS. If people want to switch to CVS, that's
fine by me. Personally, I found RCS to be a pain in the neck so
didn't bother using it when I was the sole maintain
> It's just a matter of setting it up. A typical `set up once, enjoy for
> ever' case (a simple `cvs commit' would upload the changes).
>
> I'm leraning CVS now to propose it in my job. =)
>
Note that when the new pages get installed, essentially all the web
pages will be generated from either
> Just got back from the local LUG meeting, and one of the nice folks from
> Netcom UK just gave me the go-ahead to make my machine on their network
> an official Debian mirror for the UK.
>
Great. I've had another offer since you originally sent me mail about a
setting up a UK mirror and have bee
Philip Hands wrote:
> Tim Sailer wrote:
> > > Also, who do I ask about getting www.uk.debian.org into the DNS servers
> > > as a CNAME for open.hands.com ?
> >
> > Done.
>
Looks like Tim is way ahead of me. :)
>
> Please don't list it as a mirror on the web page just yet --- I want to
> upgra
I am in the process of cleaning up a number of things on the new
web site, putting everything under CVS and writing a few scripts
to help make the job of managing all the different languages easier.
I am currently looking for a single translator to start working
on the first translation. This pers
On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 01:40:43PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> --On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 10:40 am +0200 "Dirk Niemeyer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > We should also consider using "height=xxx" and "width=xxx" for the IMG
> > tag
> > as this makes rendering easier for the browsers. I always sit
ports/arm/softwaremap.wml uses the URL netwinder.html
which doesn't exist.
It also uses http://www.netwinder.org/devel/notes/index.html
which can only be accessed by registered developers.
Jay Treacy
After being bugged by the publisher for ages, an entry has been
added to distrib/vendors about the Debian book which comes with a
CD. Hopefully enough books will come out over the next few years
that they can get their own page.
A number of the languages had problems with their .wmlrc file and/or
On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 03:26:06PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
> Has Debian won a lot of awards? Do we have enough/should we do an "awards
> page"??
>
If people want one, then make one. Personally, I'm not big on awards and
haven't kept track of the ones we've received. I forwarded any that were
The location of the web pages on va.debian.org has changed.
They are now located in /org/www.debian.org/debian.org
and /org/www.debian.org/debian.org-local
I made the assumption that no one was mirroring from va.
Taking a look at www.uk.debian.org I find I was wrong.
I hope th
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 11:06:56AM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
> Is there a difference that we should be aware of?
>
> On 14-Oct-98 James A. Treacy wrote:
> > They are now located in /org/www.debian.org/debian.org
> > and /org/www.debian.org/debian.or
A new version of the Packages pages have been created and
need to be tested before they replace the current ones.
Among the problems fixed:
- converted to new style
- properly handle source files
- packages that are not in main are properly labelled
Still need to be addressed:
- Files can onl
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 05:51:18PM -0400, James A. Treacy wrote:
> A new version of the Packages pages have been created and
> need to be tested before they replace the current ones.
>
Oh yeah. http://master.debian.org/~treacy/unstable
and http://master.debian.org/~treacy/stable
Do
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 06:39:38PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the reason is that proxies don't care about the accepted languages?
>
> Hrm.. Sounds like a problem with the http spec..
>
It doesn't seem like it is that simple. If the
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 09:25:28PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> What happened to the history page and who was working on it?
>
It hasn't materialized. We may be able to use part of the Debian book
that was written. I believe it's the one that is listed on t
On Sat, Oct 17, 1998 at 08:24:45PM +0900, Keita Maehara wrote:
> Can't we translate the Bugs pages?
>
> Needless to say, we have no intention to translate huge number of bug
> reports themselves :-), but instructions for reporting a bug etc.
>
The Bug pages are handled by iwj and are handled comp
On Sat, Oct 17, 1998 at 11:38:03AM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
> Jay and Crew. My goal is to move the security pages over "slowly" so that
> there's no break in what's going on. The index in the security page will be
> the last to be converted. In the mean time, as I break security alerts into
>
On Sat, Oct 17, 1998 at 05:35:25PM -0700, Darren Benham wrote:
>
> I was refering to links. Should the tags be set to a directory/index or
> directory/index.html I thought I saw some links without the html and I was
> wondering if that was for the translations.
>
Ok, I wasn't sure what you were
The Makefiles have been modified quite a bit. The are better organized
and a few minor dependency probs with the News section have been fixed.
Summary of changes:
- many comments added to Makefiles to help translators
- all global dependencies have been moved into Make.templ.inc
- some items ha
I tracked down the problem with webwml/update_web_wml
When you use a suid script you need to explicitly change
$HOME to the new user or 'cvs udpate' will look in
your home dir for .cvspass
Please use this script to update the pages on master if
you need to so we don't run into ownership problems a
First the good new. Looking into the problem below led me
to discover how to set the output file directly in the Makefile.
This means we will be able to get rid of the annoying
#!wml -o ../../debian.org/%BASE.html.ja
lines at the top of all the .wml files. One less place for
things to go wrong.
Hopfully the translation process isn't too much work.
Even more I hope the changes we've been making have been for
the better.
Now that the translations have been under way for a while I'd
like to know what the people doing the actual translation think.
In particular if there is anything you think
Well the setup I wrote using tcs in the epilog worked on my machine at home
but not on master. I'll look into is wrong after we fix the crisis with apache
serving the wrong language. It appears it wants everyone to speak German this
week.
On Sat, Oct 24, 1998 at 11:55:11AM +0900, Keita Maehara wr
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