Em Qui, 2004-12-16 às 02:23 -0500, Erinn Clark escreveu:
> How accepting should we be, exactly? For example, one of my concerns is
> that the list and IRC channel will be "overrun" (for lack of a better
> word) by well-meaning men. When the men are very helpful, nice, and support
> our goals, it's
Em Qua, 2004-12-15 às 23:24 -0800, Steve Langasek escreveu:
> I accept the rebuke as it was given; the #d-w channel is marked secret after
> all, and if there's agreement that it should not be quoted from, I can
> accept that.
>
> However, it might be a good idea in that case to post such a policy
fre, 2004-12-17 kl. 00:17 skrev Erinn Clark:
> * Chasecreek Systemhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 06:33 -0500]:
> > On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:16:34 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Um, how is one to stop logging -- using an IRC bot?
> > (Maybe Im missing something technical
* Chasecreek Systemhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 06:33 -0500]:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:16:34 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I suppose all it says in the FAQ is:
> > - NO PUBLIC LOGGING
> > ...which is a bit ambiguous, so ok.
> >
> > But I do have an issue with peo
* Colleen Hatfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 09:41 -0600]:
> IMO, the best way to do things is to stick to what we have in our FAQ:
>
> We're not segregated. Debian Women is a subgroup of Debian that allows
> anyone to join in and help. We consist of Debian devel
Am Donnerstag, 16.12.04 um 12:33 Uhr schrieb Chasecreek Systemhouse:
Um, how is one to stop logging -- using an IRC bot?
Using a bot does not automatically mean, it does log, what people talk
in the channel.
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 09:41:06AM -0600, Colleen Hatfield wrote:
> I think it's great to see so much support from the rest of the (mostly
> male) Debian community, and I think that discouraging this type of
> participation would be detrimental to the goals we are trying to
> achieve (I realize th
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:23:17AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
> How accepting should we be, exactly? For example, one of my concerns is
> that the list and IRC channel will be "overrun" (for lack of a better
> word) by well-meaning men.
Good point, which is also the cause why I did not join #d-w ea
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:23:17 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How accepting should we be, exactly? For example, one of my concerns is
> that the list and IRC channel will be "overrun" (for lack of a better
> word) by well-meaning men. When the men are very helpful, nice, and support
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:16:34 -0500, Erinn Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose all it says in the FAQ is:
> - NO PUBLIC LOGGING
> ...which is a bit ambiguous, so ok.
>
> But I do have an issue with people being quoted from IRC without
> permission, since it is *not* publicly logged.
Um
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:23:17AM -0500, Erinn Clark wrote:
> * Pia Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 09:13 +1100]:
> > 3) We need to be welcoming of men, of all people.
> I don't disagree with you, which I want to make clear, but this brings a
> thought to mind:
> How accepting should we b
On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:53 pm, Erinn Clark wrote:
> * Pia Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 09:13 +1100]:
> > 3) We need to be welcoming of men, of all people.
>
> I don't disagree with you, which I want to make clear, but this brings a
> thought to mind:
>
> How accepting should we be, exactly?
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:15 23:24 -0800]:
> I accept the rebuke as it was given; the #d-w channel is marked secret after
> all, and if there's agreement that it should not be quoted from, I can
> accept that.
>
> However, it might be a good idea in that case to post such a po
* Pia Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 09:13 +1100]:
> 3) We need to be welcoming of men, of all people.
I don't disagree with you, which I want to make clear, but this brings a
thought to mind:
How accepting should we be, exactly? For example, one of my concerns is
that the list and IRC ch
On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 07:33:33AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Erinn Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:15 00:37 -0800]:
> >
> > Tsk, bad form. Quoting from the IRC channel is a major no-no.
> I'm not sure I agree with you on that point. T
* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:16 07:33 +0100]:
> Quoting Erinn Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:15 00:37 -0800]:
> >
> >
> > Tsk, bad form. Quoting from the IRC channel is a major no-no.
>
> I'm not sure I agree with you on that po
Quoting Erinn Clark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> * Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:15 00:37 -0800]:
>
>
> Tsk, bad form. Quoting from the IRC channel is a major no-no.
I'm not sure I agree with you on that point. This channel is a public
channel so I do not see any privacy break when Ste
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 06:49:57PM +, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> Having said that, Erinn was right to remind people that posting IRC
> comments is inappropriate.
If that's the case, what's the point of bringing the matter to this list?
Those of us who weren't on the channel at the time cannot a
Hi all,
> Discussion:
> 1) We need to create spaces, forums, cultures within Debian that are
> welcoming to and supportive of women.
> 2) We need to encourage women to be involved in Debian and to interact
> with
> Debian.
Can I also suggest:
3) We need to be welcoming of men, of all people.
Steve Langasek wrote:
What context did I omit that you think justifies the comments that I did
quote? What possible context was there that supports Carla's claim that she
was responding to obnoxious attitudes in a non-sexist, topic-neutral way?
I cannot think of such a context. That is the k
--- Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> What context did I omit that you think justifies the
> comments that I did
> quote? What possible context was there that
> supports Carla's claim that she
> was responding to obnoxious attitudes in a
> non-sexist, topic-neutral way?
>
> Being "
On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 10:07:57AM +0100, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
> --- Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> > In a group nominally established in recognition of
> > the fact that women are
> > under-represented in Debian and with the goal of
> > increasing the roles of
> > women in Debian,
--- Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> In a group nominally established in recognition of
> the fact that women are
> under-represented in Debian and with the goal of
> increasing the roles of
> women in Debian, I don't think it's the attitudes of
> long-time active Debian
> contribut
* Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004:12:15 00:37 -0800]:
Tsk, bad form. Quoting from the IRC channel is a major no-no.
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Hi,
Some random thoughts on what happened:
1) Even though people in the IRC channel are really
nice, there seem to be some points in which a peaceful
conversation between men and women is extremelly
difficult. I'm not stating this just because of what
happened yesterday, but because every time I'
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 11:46:36PM -0800, Carla Schroder wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 December 2004 10:42 pm, Helen Faulkner wrote:
> > The major aim of the Debian Women channel is to increase the participation
> > of women in Debian. I expect that all of you know about that, agree with
> > it, etc.
On Tuesday 14 December 2004 10:42 pm, Helen Faulkner wrote:
>
> Hello All,
Hello Helen,
>
> The major aim of the Debian Women channel is to increase the participation
> of women in Debian. I expect that all of you know about that, agree with
> it, etc.
>
> That being stated, I believe that
Hello All,
The major aim of the Debian Women channel is to increase the participation
of women in Debian. I expect that all of you know about that, agree with
it, etc.
That being stated, I believe that it is conducive to that aim, and to what I
would call our basic feminist philosophy, to
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