Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Laura Arjona
Hi all I don't know the Debian community very well either, but since I am around here (let's say 3-4 years) I feel it welcoming, polite and quite inclusive (the D-W subproject already had some years, the Debian Diversity Statement was written and published, last months the OPW proposals...). I may

Re: Rails Girls

2013-05-27 Thread Yuwei Lin
Many thanks to Myriam for the heads-up. First of all, may I congratulate Myriam and fellow volunteers at the first Rails Girls Galway - it was a very successful event with +60 enthusiastic and energetic female participants. One could hardly believe that there was a gender issue in free/open source

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/5/27 Angela Fuß : > As I do not know the Debian Community very well so far I cannot say anything > about meritocracy and elitism in Free Software Communities or in Debian. Just for the record, I'm not against meritocracy. I think meritocracy -real meritocracy- is a good thing. I was just mai

Re: Rails Girls

2013-05-27 Thread myr
Hi Llanos, I actually sent to this list a similar email a month ago or so, to promote the Rails Girls workshop that was held in Galway, Ireland, last week. Yuwei Lin, from Debian Women, gave a lightning talk about women in FLOSS: http://blog.railsgirls.com/post/51465763345/women-coding-with-r

Rails Girls

2013-05-27 Thread Llanos
Apologies if this is a bit off topic as it's not Debian related but it's women and open source technologies related so I thought it could be relevant for some women (or men) on this list http://railsgirls.com/ They deliver workshops and organize coding sessions to help women to get programming r

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Dear Miry, My personal opinion is that for changing things, we have to be able to acknowledge what's truly happening, and start moving from there. I didn't say I was fully happy with the reality, in fact I'm not, and, while I realize that some level of meritocracy is positive, my opinion is that

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 27 May 2013 10:22:56 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > 2013/5/27 Lisi Reisz : > > On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism > > > > I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off > > saying anything while I pondered. >

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Miriam Ruiz
2013/5/27 Lisi Reisz : > On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: >> Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism > > I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off saying > anything while I pondered. Just for the record, and to avoid misinterpretations, I was jus

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 20 May 2013 09:33:06 Miriam Ruiz wrote: > Free Software is about meritocracy and elitism I have been unhappy with this since I first read it, and had held off saying anything while I pondered. I accept that, in theory at least, OSS is about meritoctracy. But the word "elite" jars. I

RE: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Mathieu, Also, too: the way I understood it is possibly or amongst other things as a reference to an article published in New Media & Society which was mentioned on this list I think a few months ago. The article (whose exact title and author evades me right now but I could produce i

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej Sam To add to the answer that Miriam has supplied, I would like to suggest that if that sentence puzzled you, then you may be interested to read /The Rise of the Meritocracy/ (1958) by Michael Young, which is the work that introduced the word "meritocracy" to the English language. It's quite

Re: Debian and Politeness

2013-05-27 Thread Angela Fuß
Hej again, Well, it is generally considered that Free Software projects are a meritocracy [1], meaning that "an elite group of people whose progress is based on ability and talent rather than on class privilege or wealth" [2]. Ideally, whenever a project is ruled by pure meritocracy, people woul