Re: Amendement to GR Statement regarding Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-03-30 Thread Phil Morrell
SF, given the minor disagreement over the non-free archive. What about the GNU project? Are you asking DDs to only communicate and submit patches in a personal capacity? "unable to collaborate" implies there was collaboration before, so what exactly would the Debian project stop do

Re: Amendement to GR Statement regarding Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-03-30 Thread Phil Morrell
On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 04:10:38PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > On 3/30/21 14:15, Phil Morrell wrote: > > > Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project is unable to > > > collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard > > > S

Re: "rms-open-letter" GR choice 2: sign https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

2021-04-01 Thread Phil Morrell
hey may also include position statements about issues of the day". I think you're reading more into this than the letter contains. If that was the implication then the proposer would have needed to specify a different section of the consitution for the resolution to be interpreted un

Re: "rms-open-letter" GR choice 2: sign https://rms-support-letter.github.io/

2021-04-01 Thread Phil Morrell
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 21:29:27 +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > The option is now on the website. Hi, I was wondering if anyone would mind explaining a point of procedure to me here. I understand that the discussion period is normally 2 weeks, and that the DPL confirmed a request to reduce it to 1 week

Re: Amendment to RMS/FSF GR: Option 5

2021-04-01 Thread Phil Morrell
On Fri, 2 Apr 2021, Craig Sanders wrote: > Debian refuses to participate in and denounces the witch-hunt against Richard > Stallman, the Free Software Foundation, and the members of the board of the > Free Software Foundation. Hi, please can you explain how this is significantly different from Pro

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-23 Thread Phil Morrell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 05:38:52PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:53:46AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> "Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > >> > In practice, the free installer is useless on its own. > >> > >> That is not my experience -

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-25 Thread Phil Morrell
On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 07:57:36PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Phil Morrell writes: > > > Just be aware that this rationale can have the opposite of its intended > > effect in the long term: > > > > https://ariadne.space/2022/01/22/the-fsfs-relationship-wi

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-08-26 Thread Phil Morrell
From absorbing this lengthy thread, my impression is that most folks are considering the nature of "officialness", therefore I'd like to ask any proposed text to elaborate on intentions for what "Official Debian" means such that voters can express their opinions on this aspect. * Images are offici

Re: General resolution: non-free firmware

2022-08-27 Thread Phil Morrell
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:56:43AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx dixit: > > >it are available at: https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003 > > Is there support for something like A but not enabled by default? > That is, you have to actively select a nōn-d

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-08 Thread Phil Morrell
On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 08:00:09AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le jeudi, 8 septembre 2022, 07.14:09 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit : > > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > > > While we're at updating the Social Contract's article 5, what about a > > > more invasive cleanup, to reflect reality ?

Re: Changing how we handle non-free firmware

2022-09-08 Thread Phil Morrell
On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 11:38:09AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes: > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 10:39:57AM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> Thereby re-inforcing the interpretation that any installer or image with > >> non-free software on it is not part of the Debian system >

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-09 Thread Phil Morrell
On Thu, Sep 08, 2022 at 11:55:43AM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > On 2022/09/08 11:27, Phil Morrell wrote: > > 5. Works that do not meet our free software standards > > > > We acknowledge that our users may require the use of works that do > &

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-09 Thread Phil Morrell
On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 09:04:37AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > We probably do need to say something about how you need to review the > licenses for non-free software before using or distributing it. This is > true for users as well. > > How about: > > We encourage careful review of the lice

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-09 Thread Phil Morrell
On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 08:13:23PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > If we were to include any non-free software/firmware on something that's > called official Debian installer media that is said to conform to our > standards That's exactly the point of changing the wording - by inc

Re: How is the original tarball obtained in tag2upload

2024-06-14 Thread Phil Morrell
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 12:26:50PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Andreas Tille writes ("How is the original tarball obtained in tag2upload"): > > In many teams we keep the metadata about the > > orig.tar.$COMPRESSION tarball in pristine-tar branch. In most cases > > this works flawlessly but I've ob