;overall subject. These parts include:
> >
> > * Invariant Sections
> > * Cover Texts
> > * Acknowledgements
> > * Dedications
> >
> > However, modifiability is a fundamental requirement of the Debian Free
> > Software Guidelines, which state:
> >
> > 3. Derived Works
> >
> > The license must allow modifications and derived works, and
> > must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the
> > license of the original software.
> >
> > As such, we cannot accept works that include "Invariant Sections" and
> > similar unmodifiable components into our distribution.
> >
> > --->8---
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so I added Marc and Brian, trained them, and eventually resigned.
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t; Bdale said he would prepare a patch, that would add more documentation
> and whitelist some more env vars like DISPLAY or XAUTHORITY. We haven't
> heard from him yet.
Let's CC him. Bdale, what's the status of this?
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Munich started talking about a deployment of Debian I was told
that "they" should announce that rather than us). There are a
number of other missed opportunities.
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l of us. Some of these questions are
really interesting and I encourage everyone to think about them, but
if people wanted specific answers from the candidates they should have
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ld be thinking about the answers to them,
> not just the candidates.
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* Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-05 14:20]:
> On Sun, Mar 05, 2006 at 02:27:36AM +0000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > > Actually, in a recent chatting one of the past DPLs told me that he
> > > tried at some point, but the feedback he got was roughly "
ing?
Just take the one from
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00018.html
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>
> 3. supports the decision of the Release Team to require works such as
> images, video, and fonts to be licensed in compliance with the DFSG without
> requiring source code for these works under DFSG #2; and
>
> 4. determi
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ot most) that they were more active at the beginning of their term,
so making it even longer wouldn't help. I also don't really buy the
argument that a year isn't enough to get things done. And there's
always the chance of getting re-elected if someone did a good job.
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* Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-31 23:04]:
> Note that you're still free to step down after one year, so that's
> hardly a problem
I don't think anyone would do that. It takes quite a bit to convince
yourself to step down and then actually go through wi
very subjective and that's about it. Adding more DAMs (or AMs or FD
> members etc) is straightforward.
Actually, it's not straightforward, simply because "deciding who's
allowed to do what" is not straightforward.
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telling people "take the unofficial one, you know, the one that
actually works". I've been doing that for NSLU2 and there it's not
such a big deal because everyone uses netboot images, but it's more of
a problem with CDs/DVDs.
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are that comes with source and documentation we will not
> | require it,
> | b) we however do require all other freedoms that the DFSG mandate from
> | components of our operating system, and
> | c) such firmware can and should be part of our official installation media.
>
> Look
"which is not the what the user wanted"
"not the what": s/the//
The proposal also contains Markdown syntax (**, ``) which imho should
be converted to HTML on the web site.
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"It is important that the project support the efforts"
s/support/supports/?
(I know British and American English don't agree whether an
organization is singular or plural but it seems to me that
"the project" is singular.)
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an HTML page.
> I don't think I can make any changes related to typos.
Ok, I'm not familiar with procedures but seems strange not to fix
obvious typos. It's not like I'm proposing editorial changes *cough* :P
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* Sam Hartman [2019-11-29 07:13]:
> Ian> I think this is a subjunctive.
>
> I agree with Ian.
Thanks for the clarification! You learn something new every day.
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The project will work on proposals and
coordinate transitions from Debian-specific solutions where appropriate.
---
Thanks to Enrico Zini, Michael Biebl and others for help with
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ith some of the other proposals.
I originally wrote a really bad proposal but after talking to some
people developed a better understanding of what I was missing in the
current proposals and got good ideas on how to frame things (the
cross-distro aspect wasn't my idea).
I hope that explains it.
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in terms of why to focus on systemd (like to
> collaborate with the 99% of the FLOSS world who settled on systemd) than
> C.
Yeah, as I just explained in my other email, I found C lacking of
sway, vision, passion, or whatever you may call it.
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> long lines.
Could you put the short title on the ballot while keeping the long
option on the web site?
If not, I suppose the short title is fine. As Sam points out, it's
less import since C has been withdrawn.
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it systems* you propose an amendment that basically says
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ly a paid contractor of SPI, so you can argue that I'm
biased because of my income depends on SPI. You could also argue that
I know better than many what kind of work is involved.
* I am not on the SPI board and I do not speak for SPI.
* I am part of the Debian treasurer team, but I don't speak for them.
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* Gunnar Wolf [2020-03-17 11:04]:
> We already have <10 mails in the list... Please wait for the Project
> Secretary to announce the page for the elections, with the platforms
> and all.
All platforms are available and it has been announced.
https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/vote_001
ral TOs.)
So I'm more satisfied with the rationale of creating a Debian
foundation, although my concerns about the actual operations still
apply (i.e. how are you going to make sure you'll do a better job than
the TOs you're not happy with when there have been countless failures
of running non-profits in the past).
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izations and basically put
them on ice.
I thought this got resolved though in the meantime (years ago).
https://blogs.gnome.org/jnelson/2014/06/30/the-new-501c3-and-the-future-of-free-software-in-the-united-states/
https://opensource.org/node/840
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ne SPI PayPal account for Debian and one
SPI PayPal account for all other SPI projects. This kind of special
casing for Debian is something SPI would like to resolve in some way;
there are no plans of removing PayPal.
(I don't speak for SPI, etc)
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* Timo Weingärtner [2021-03-26 09:12]:
> The Debian Project will issue a public statement on whether Richard Stallman
^^
I think you forgot the word "not" here.
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contains wording like
"Also fix" it should have been two separate commits. That's how I
feel about your proposal.
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privately and GPG-sign your message.
I hope you can post a summary. I found many questions very
interesting since you touch the question of the role of the DPL.
I think it would be interesting for other candidates (and for the
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> one day an inactive developer will become active again, and they
> shouldn't have to go through the whole New Maintainer process
They generally don't have to go through NM again, just to submit their
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might be a good
idea, depending on the actual workload. I cannot say anything about
this yet, however, since I haven't been or are a DPL... ;-) However,
I'm sure there are quite a few mails sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which take up
much time and which don't really have to be answered by the DPL.
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uite clear already" are not... it's the legal system.
> [ ] too powerful, refusing to add some packages when
> the license was ok (example: apt-i18n a few months ago) is a
> shame.
I agree with the ftpmaster's decision in this case. In general, it
_might_ certainly be a problem. However, that's why we trust our
ftpmasters (and the security team, debian admin, etc) to do the right
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> their software is not supported by ancient versions in Woody...
Please see my answer to question 3.
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between 20 and 14 UTC should be ok. I should have time in the next
few days provided that I get enough advance warning.
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or Sunday morning
(about UTC). I think this time should be reasonable for most.
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Branden. In fact, I think Bdale is even more west... but if 2200 UTC
is fine for him, I'd be happy (I'd prefer 2200 to anyway because
I'd like to go to the beach after the IRC session :-) ).
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to it.
The SC therefore says that we (that is, the Debian Project as a whole)
do care about users (and not only about developers for example).
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if they might not care).
> Do you think DPL needs to place its leadership to steer Debian on this
> issue?
>
> [ ] Yes (It is within DPL's scope of responsibility)
> [X] No (It is not within DPL's scope of responsibility)
> [ ] I do not know / No comment
> Comment:
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>would be responsible for something like this.
Some developers who have left the project have recently been re-invited
by the the keyring maintainer and are not back. Inactive developers
who re-appear generally don't have to go through NM but can simply
send their signed key to the keyring maintainer.
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do to help improve areas in which
> developers are not that much willing to contribute to and which are
> usually lacking? (for example: documentation)
It's quite hard to motivate people to do this, but I'd try.
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While the platforms have been available on the web (see
http://www.debian.org/vote/2003/vote_0001) for some time, I think they
should also be posted here; hence, I'm starting with mine.
Platform for Martin Michlmayr
Background
My name is Martin Michlmayr. I
gt; Ah... in the context of that point, it's probably worth pointing out
> that gnome is an effort many orders of magnitude more complex than what
> debian does for "non-free".
Mutt uses debbugs, and isn't a project of the magnitude of GNOME.
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> discussions do you think should make up the majority of the traffic?
> If reality doesn't match those desires, what, if anything, will you
> do to change that?
I think that _everyone_ should be subscribed to -devel, and it's sad
that a growing number unsubscribe because of flamewars and other
discussions which are not productive. I think -devel should be a list
for technical discussions, and by improving communication and
processes in the project I hope to decrease the amount of flamewars
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Do you know that your jpb as a Debian leader has
> the consequence to travel in several countries all over the world
> which might lead to the situation that some countries handle you
> like a criminal by taking your finger prints?
While I don't like these practices, I don't consider them off-putting
enough not to visit a country if there's a good reason to go there.
However, this has to be decided on a case by case basis. As far as I
know, EU citizens also don't have to get their finger prints recorded.
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umentation with non-free licenses to non-free. ;-)
My plan is to get the license changed so the documentation is free
according to our rules. See my other posting in this thread.
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license can be found in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/debian-legal-200402/msg00117.html
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folks involved is a good thing, but it should be done on technical
merit. Finally, to answer your question fully, I think that women
could help us with communication in the project.
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X sucks" or whatever are not very helpful (Andreas, I'm not
accusing you of doing so with your question; I'm talking in general,
based on what I see on -devel and other lists, and I think your
questioon is based on this as well). I try to identify exactly what
the problem is and then to tackle it.
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in mind and re-read
"Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency". Many
of the points I raise there equally apply to (big) packages and other
technical matters.
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* Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 14:16]:
> How many role accounts are read exclusively by James and no one else?
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en, I regularly stay in contact with them, and continually ask
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e-mail, there are no role
accounts where only James answers e-mails so in this sense stuff is
not acted upon exclusively by James. However, there are two (keyring,
DAM) where James makes the final decisions about things, so you could
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DPL might have to face this situation.
As I stated in my platform, one of my advantages is that I know lots
of people in the project on a personal basis and get along just fine
with them. This makes it much easier to approach them and to put
forwards (constructive) criticism.
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software to another machine, while
still mirroring it on debian.org mirrors for a year or two) would be a
good idea, I'll certainly put more time and energy into pursuing this.
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F promised us to make an
announcement about this matter, but everything was delayed due to the
reasons mentioned in the other mail. Anyway, I just mailed Don and
asked him to get a new status report from Eben.
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e to do something about the situation. Having
people on the Technical Committee who don't have a single package in
the archive or whose packages have been orphaned because they were not
maintained is simply not how it should be!
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* Bob Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 17:53]:
> However, as far as I recall, no DPL has ever publicly appointed
> delegates to positions.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200305/msg5.html
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* Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-03-03 14:03]:
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 10:35:18AM +0000, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> > Please keep what I said about core teams in mind and re-read
> > "Internal - Core Teams, Delegates, Communication, Transparency".
>
ose expulsions
were handled. (I don't know myself since I wasn't around or involved
with this; as DPL, I would first talk to the people who handled those
expulsions, and ideally also talk to the expelled developers to get
their opinion on how to handle expulsions in a human way).
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uly working
on resolving the issue, I think we can give them _some_ more time. If
not, it's time to remove the documents. Again, Don asked Eben for a
status report yesterday, and I hope to get an rough answer of where
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[1] See section "3.7 Retiring" of the Debian Developers' Reference,
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there seem to be other ways to approach this problem.
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ortant role, but many
examples show that it is indeed possible. As argued in my platform, I
am working with people to help them join important roles, and to add
more man power to overworked groups. I can do this because I can
interact with many different people and know how they work.
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question. If you look at -devel archives, you'll see that even a NM
applicant who has been rejected said that I always dealt with him in
an open and fair way, and that he'd elect me as DPL (a shame that he
cannot vote, really ;), but the rejection was for the benefit of the
project as a whole)).
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ng can easily come back by mailing the
keyring maintainer. Those who did not retire properly, on the other
hand, will have to go through New Maintainer in order to ensure they
understand their duties and procedures in Debian.
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in the right way (and the machine also fulfils the requirements for a
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id in my last mail, I
think we should face *concrete* problems rather than asking very
general and hypothetical questions.
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o of the three DPL candidates on this issue ?
BTW, please keep in mind that I pointed out in a follow-up message
that the answer I gave to the non-free question was my _personal_
opinion. As DPL, I represent the Debian community as a whole.
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mmary, the biggest difference between Martin and me is that he
> has had a year to demonstrate his efficacy as DPL.
I would go a step further and also ask how much Branden has achieved
of what he wrote in his platforms in the last years, and how much of
this has been done by others in the meantime (no
r anything like that.
(Anyway, I perform this work with my QA hat and not with my DPL hat,
so it's not really relevant to the discussion; I just wanted to
clarify how the work is being performed.)
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for running for DPL. Furthermore, I'd like to hear why you think that
I am not honest and enthusiastic, and ideally I'd like to see some
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n our
platforms, but as he pointed out we have quite a different notion how
to go about them. I would first have to see how he approaches them in
order to find out how I can get involved and help out. However, since
I really want the issues I/we raised in our platforms to be addressed,
I'd try to find a way to help.
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explained in the Constituion. As I said, I think the Technical
Committee should be a fall-back rather than a general-purpose solution
- most issues should be discussed and resolved on our mailing lists.
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> other DPL candidates should feel free to jump in)
I have not come up with a good solution yet, otherwise I'd have
proposed it already. Perhaps some rotating scheme of who is part of
the Technical Committee might be a good idea. See my reply to Raul.
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x27;m merely pointing out that there are
issues, and that as times goes by it comes more important to address
them. Thus, this issue is of more priority to me now than it was in
the past, which means I'll devote time to thinking of possible
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ple in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200310/msg00014.html
I think they are all very important, and while you may often not
notice those changes, they are vital in order to ensure that the
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inactive people before he performed the MIA ping.
I have a question to you. Do you think the MIA ping the DAM performed
was a good or bad idea? (i.e. looking for inactive people, asking
them if they are still active and if not retiring their accounts in
order to minimize stale accounts and maximize security).
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you and discussed it. This whole discussion started because I was
asked about my opinion, and so I shared it with others. I expressed
my dissatisfaction with the current situation, but also said I'm not
in a position to criticize it because so far I have not approached the
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of this threat that while it is somewhere on my TODO list it never was
anywhere near the top.
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; If you think the committee should be different -- even if the only
> difference is more active members -- you should propose that to the
> committee.
Exactly. I'll do that once I've had enough time to think about the
issue in detail so I am in a position to make a good suggestion.
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Distributions" I think this is the way to go. As
reference, I wrote this in my platform:
| Just imagine the great advances we can make if there are a few paid
| people in countries like Brazil, Greece, Norway and Spain (which are
| all working on Debian based distributions).
I apologize that this was not clear. It should say "(which are all
working on Debian based distributions or extending Debian for their
needs)".
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the same as maintainers who leave the project
> properly.
I should not have quoted both sentences you said. My "I disagree with this"
refers to your first sentence only. I agree with the second sentence. My
disagreement was only about re-admission to the project where I think they
should not be treated the same, not about thanking them for the work they've
done. Sorry for the confusion.
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run the
project, what kind of admission project (i.e. NM projess) they have,
how are they going to assure quality, etc.
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moving
packages is not the best solution, as mentioned previously, because
the user's are no longer supported. ]
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