Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 10.38:08 h CET Raphael Hertzog a écrit :
> There are quite a few software projects that have hired staff to help
> smooth the internal working of organizations, I know at least of Django
> with its fellowship program:
> https://www.djangoproject.com/fundraising/#fellowshi
Le lundi, 22 mars 2021, 21.09:05 h CET Jonas Meurer a écrit :
> Why not have an officially delegated Debian Project Board that meets
> once a week (or every two weeks) and discusses and tackles painpoints in
> the project at large?
Or an elected one.
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Le vendredi, 19 mars 2021, 17.49:54 h CET Louis-Philippe Véronneau a écrit :
> On 2021-03-19 08 h 02, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> >> I've been telling a few people last month that I would really liked to
> >> have an Enterprise Edition Online MiniDebConf, unfortunately I don't
> >> have any time/energ
1 avril 2021 17:01 "Kurt Roeckx" a écrit:
> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:40:59PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:42:01PM +, Jean Duprat (Avignon) wrote:
>> Votes in leadership elections are kept secret even after the end of
>> the voting period for obvious reasons
I'm well aware the discussion period is over, but I can't let that one pass,
so bear with me.
Le vendredi, 2 avril 2021, 18.19:02 h CEST Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit :
> Fifty years ago a laserprinter didn't work right because of some
> software issue and he couldn't fix it because the software i
Le vendredi, 9 avril 2021, 19.12:26 h CEST Sam Hartman a écrit :
> On another list, there was discussion of the DPL encouraging the
> secretary to make the vote on the rms GR secret.
For what is worth; let me bring a slightly dissonant voice in that discussion.
While abundantly aware of the conce
Le dimanche, 11 avril 2021, 01.02:18 h CEST Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> Those who insist on making the personal views on this (non-technical!!!)
> GR public should be ashamed of dragging their fellows into denuding
> themselves for no good reason.
Just clarifying one thing here, to make sure there's
Le dimanche, 11 avril 2021, 23.10:53 h CEST Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit :
> So I suggest the DPL directs under s5.1 something like:
>
> "The secretary shall delay publication of the the association between
> identify and ballot on the tally sheet, for a period of not more than 90
> days, unless dir
Thanks for that proposal Russ!
While we're at updating the Social Contract's article 5, what about a more
invasive cleanup, to reflect reality ?
Le mercredi, 7 septembre 2022, 19.48:36 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit :
> --
>
>
Le jeudi, 8 septembre 2022, 07.14:09 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> > Thanks for that proposal Russ!
> >
> > While we're at updating the Social Contract's article 5, what about a
> > more invasive cleanup, to refl
Le mercredi, 14 septembre 2022, 17.00:26 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit :
> -
> Proposal F
>
> This ballot option supersedes the Debian Social Contract (a foundation
> document) under point 4.1.5 of the constitution and thus requires a 3:1
> majori
Le samedi, 1 avril 2023, 16.24:51 h CEST Luna Jernberg a écrit :
> Not really any point to vote as highvoltage is the only one to vote on
> congrats to being the Debian Project Leader for another year
With Q being about 16, and quorum being 3Q, at least 48 developers need to
vote highvoltage abov
Le jeudi, 13 juin 2024, 08.23:45 h CEST Thomas Goirand a écrit :
> One thing I really dislike, is having a single gpg key to upoload them
> all. I very much preferred the design that Didier explained during
> Debconf Kosovo, where the .changes signature is uploaded together with
> the tagged commit
Le mardi, 25 juin 2024, 19.14:53 h CEST Russ Allbery a écrit :
> tho...@goirand.fr writes:
> > Watch the Kosovo lightning talk where Didier shows what he did. It is a
> > proven concept.
>
> If this is the proof of concept where the *.dsc file is encoded in a Git
> tag (sorry, there have been seve
Le mardi, 25 juin 2024, 22.13:53 h CEST Philip Hands a écrit :
> Aigars Mahinovs writes:
> > Do you actually check that the contents of the source *package* (after all
> > operations done by dpkg-source and possibly other tools) actually match
> > what you were looking at before in your source wor
Le jeudi, 27 juin 2024, 09.15:42 h CEST Sean Whitton a écrit :
> =
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
>
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean Whitton and
>
(dropping all CC, focusing on the content)
Le vendredi, 28 juin 2024, 08.32:43 h CEST Ansgar 🙀 a écrit :
> I'll expand on the here slightly for your benefit:
>
> $ git clone https://salsa.debian.org/rra/tf5.git
> [...]
> $ apt-get source tf5
> [...]
> $ rm -rf tf5/.git tf5-5.0beta8/.pc
> $ diff -
On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> However a newcomer not aware of your fanatic rejection of any kind of
> standard tools would absolutely not understand what this is about. And
> the same goes about everything else in the package.
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I just update code i
Hi Russ,
while I do agree with the rest of your post, there's one part which I'm not
sure to understand correctly:
Le mercredi, 13 mars 2013 18.03:36, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> For example, I live in the SF Bay Area. Fair market compensation here for
> the sort of senior IT person that we would
Hi Moray, hi all,
Le mardi, 12 mars 2013 21.24:15, Moray Allan a écrit :
> In my view, if we want to lengthen the term of office for our
> leadership roles, which could have beneficial aspects, we should do that
> as part of a wider reform that reduces the concentration of roles/power
> in a singl
Le jeudi, 14 mars 2013 13.00:09, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
> As I see it, one way to do that (which has certainly been proposed already)
> would be to have a sort-of "DPL guild"⁰. It would have these properties¹:
> (…)
Damn, I just realised all candidates alrea
Hi Moray,
Le dimanche, 17 mars 2013 16.42:34, Moray Allan a écrit :
> > Will not being elected de-motivate you?
>
> In many ways, not being elected would be a relief. I'd have more time
> to put into non-Debian parts of my life.
>
> However, if I am not elected, I would see that as a lack of ag
Le dimanche, 19 janvier 2014, 12.39:01 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Russ Allbery writes ("Re: GR: Selecting the default init system for
Debian"):
> > As a TC member, I dislike the supermajority requirement for the
> > project to overturn a TC decision by GR, particularly in this case.
> > I think we w
Le vendredi, 17 octobre 2014, 10.00:59 Ean Schuessler a écrit :
> - "Holger Levsen" wrote:
> > If you don't like upstreams choices, *you* should write patches. Not
> > GRs telling other people to do so.
>
> Very well stated. Perhaps a sensible response to this GR is for all of
> the maintaine
Le vendredi, 17 octobre 2014, 19.50:22 Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> We need the GR to ensure situation stays good. No big deal.
That's the fundamental crux of the disagreement I think: A GR will _not_
automagically generate upstream attention for non-systemd support.
Point.
If your "good" situ
Le dimanche, 19 octobre 2014, 23.29:21 Charles Plessy a écrit :
> --
>
> The Debian project asks its members to be considerate when proposing
> General Resolutions, as the GR process may be disruptive regardless
> of the outcome o
Le lundi, 20 octobre 2014, 14.14:58 Joey Hess a écrit :
> The tech committe made a separate ruling on this question, and
> decided:
> > For the record, the TC expects maintainers to continue to
> > support the multiple available init systems in Debian. That
> > includes merging reasonable contribu
Le lundi, 20 octobre 2014, 12.17:14 Neil McGovern a écrit :
> > > Ian's: make each package support all alternative init systems
> >
> > This is actively misleading in a least four ways:
> Yup, I wouldn't count that as neutral either. How about:
Your two proposals don't seem to match "Ian's" to wh
Ian,
Le mercredi, 22 octobre 2014, 13.34:27 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: Tentative summary of the amendments"):
> > I too find it wrong to interpret Ian's text as a war between systemd
> > and sysvinit - that's anything but "basically fine"!
>
> It's only a war between sy
(Dropping -project)
Le mardi, 28 octobre 2014, 17.26:32 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Thanks to Steve for his perceptive and well-reasoned article.
>
> Steve Langasek writes:
> > There are also a lot of Debian users who are afraid of what the
> > future holds for an OS that they love very much; and the
Hi Neil, (CC'ing secretary@)
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 23.53:43 Neil McGovern a écrit :
> The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
> for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
> secretary, is appended below.
From what I can see [0], the public
Hi zack@,
Thanks for pushing this subject forward, it's a constitutional change I
would likely second.
Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 14.15:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> > "provided /they/ were appointed" reads to me like it might mean that
> > if only one of them was appointed that long ago, m
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 00.12:27 Neil McGovern a écrit :
> > Even if it were as ready, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have
> > a
> > separate GR. Voting once instead of twice is nice for everyone, but
> > conflating two separate decisions in a single GR has been proven to
> > be unwise
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 10.13:45 Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> The '2-R' schema could even result in an internal TC discussion: "OK,
> the Project wants us to change two members. Are there people that feel
> like resigning now? Or should we just fallback to the default of
> expiring the two mos
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 12.20:25 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> I'm hereby formally submitting the GR proposal included below between
> dashed double lines, and calling for seconds. With respect to past
> discussions on the -vote mailing list, this is the proposal code-named
> "2-S"; see [1,2]
Le lundi, 1 décembre 2014, 14.37:30 Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> I am hereby formally submitting an alternative proposal, between
> double-dashed lines below (formally it's an "amendment", but I don't
> expect Stefano to accept it, as we discussed it before). I am also
> calling for seconds (see belo
Le mardi, 17 mars 2015, 14.16:09 Paul Wise a écrit :
> Add an extra component that d-i could add to sources.list when
> non-free firmware is needed, instead of adding all of non-free.
I'd very much welcome a solution along these lines: not every package in
non-free is the same kind of evil for me
Le vendredi, 20 mars 2015, 19.15:24 Neil McGovern a écrit :
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 09:57:28AM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
> > in your platform, you advocate PPAs and modernising our build and
> > infrastructure.
> >
> > What's the DPL's role in this? Or, put differently, couldn't you
> > just
Le mercredi, 26 août 2015, 22.12:41 Andreas Barth a écrit :
>- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
>Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix
>
>Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical
>Committee could overrule a Developer with a supermajority of 3:1.
>
Le jeudi, 27 août 2015, 10.04:50 Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:12:41PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > we (as the Technical Committee) have encountered two bugs in the
> > constitution which we like to fix. For this reason, I propose the
> > following General Resolution
Hi Axel,
(CC'ing aba, as GR proposer).
Le lundi, 31 août 2015, 10.26:18 Axel Beckert a écrit :
> Kurt Roeckx - Debian Project Secretary wrote:
> > https://www.debian.org/vote/2015/vote_002
>
> Please either do not use the word combination "fencepost bug" at all
> or explain its meaning.
These w
Andreas: GR amendment proposal below.
Le lundi, 31 août 2015, 11.04:59 Axel Beckert a écrit :
> I would have preferred if "off-by-one" would have been used instead of
> "fencepost" as in the subject of the original GR proposal. That term
> is later missing in the announcement by Kurt as well as on
Le mardi, 1 septembre 2015, 12.20:05 Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: GR: Constitutional Amendment to fix an off-
by-one error and duplicate section numbering"):
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:12:41PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> > >(i) Delete most of A.6(3) (which implemented
Le vendredi, 4 septembre 2015, 14.28:20 Sam Hartman a écrit :
> Specifically, I formally propose to replace the GR text with:
>
>- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
>
>Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix
>
>Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical
>
Hi Sam,
thanks for this relaunch.
Le lundi, 26 octobre 2015, 21.22:46 Sam Hartman a écrit :
>- GENERAL RESOLUTION STARTS -
>
>
>Constitutional Amendment: TC Supermajority Fix
>
>Prior to the Clone Proof SSD GR in June 2003, the Technical
>Committee could overru
Dear Secretary,
(CC'ing the TC chair, as per §7.2)
Le dimanche, 13 décembre 2015, 00.00:05 devotee a écrit :
> This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote results.
> Official results shall follow, sent in by the vote taker, namely
> Debian Project Secretary
>
> This e
Le jeudi, 17 décembre 2015, 09.43:20 Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit :
> Dear Secretary,
> (CC'ing the TC chair, as per §7.2)
>
> Le dimanche, 13 décembre 2015, 00.00:05 devotee a écrit :
> > This message is an automated, unofficial publication of vote
> >
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 15.37:08 Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of
>debian-private list archives" is repealed.
> 2. In keeping with para
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 14.39:21 Holger Levsen a écrit :
> (should the text be reworded, I'd like to propose s#Debian
> Developers#Debian members#g.)
Point is; only "Developers" (the term our constitution uses) are
supposed to ever have been subscribed to d-private.
That said, we could amend t
Le jeudi, 7 juillet 2016, 12.31:40 Don Armstrong a écrit :
> That puts a whole lot of stop energy in front of anyone who actually
> is interested in trying to declassify -private, though; they'd have
> to come up with a method, bikeshed the method, and then propose a
> vote which still might not su
Le vendredi, 8 juillet 2016, 15.27:56 Margarita Manterola a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Replace "Chairman" with "Chair" throughout the Debian
> Constitution
>
> All appearances of the word Chairman shall be replaced with the word
> Chair.
>
> === END GR TEXT ===
Seconded; thanks!
Le vendredi, 22 juillet 2016, 12.28:38 h CEST Jakub Wilk a écrit :
> Luckily there's an awesome non-gendered and non-furnitured alternative:
>
> President
Point is, the TC is constitutionally only about half-surrogating
MIA DPLs and breaking ties. The non-constitutional part of the duty is much
Le mardi, 9 août 2016, 00.14:49 h CEST Nick Phillips a écrit :
> To be clear - I do not believe that it would be acceptable for any message
> to be made public without explicit approval of the author. A mere lack of
> objection is not enough - however it does seem to me that this is a road
> that s
Hi Holger,
Le lundi, 8 août 2016, 13.34:07 h CEST Holger Levsen a écrit :
> So, I hereby announce that I'll propose another GR to "depeal the GR
> of 2005 and burry the idea of systematically declassifying debian-private"
> if *this* GR turns out to result in "further discussion".
Here we are. :)
Le dimanche, 11 septembre 2016, 11.01:09 h CEST Anthony Towns a écrit :
> In that sense, my reading of the original version of the GR that just
> failed was pretty much "eh, we don't care that much about transparency
> when it comes to ourselves and it's time we admit that". Which is fine,
I suppo
Le jeudi, 1 septembre 2016, 23.15:05 h CEST Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
> === BEGIN GR TEXT ===
>
> Title: Acknowledge that the debian-private list will remain private.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled "Declassification of debian-private
>list archives" is repealed.
> 2. In keeping with pa
Le mercredi, 21 septembre 2016, 21.17:19 h CEST Steve M. Robbins a écrit :
>
>
> Title: debian-private shall remain private
>
> The text of the GR is replaced with the following.
>
> 1. The 2005 General Resolution titled
Le dimanche, 1 avril 2018, 00.11:58 h CEST Adrian Bunk a écrit :
> Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 11:03:00PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Like it or not, but there *is* a big difference in the project making
> > something available for the big wide world (which a public NEW would
> > be), or a user puttin
Le vendredi, 22 mars 2019, 09.32:55 h CEST Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
> I'm probably missing something, but it doesn't sound like a lot of work
> to me? It's "just" a service that:
> - gets notified of the existence of a git repo + tag to upload
> - fetches that git repo + tag
> - checks signature /
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