On 27.06.24 07:48, Andreas Tille wrote:
I'd prefer if we would not
invent a file that might duplicate the content of the d/copyright
Files-Excluded field - but this seems to be some implementation detail.
You have a point there. We could use "git filter-repo --invert-paths
--paths-from-file <(
Hello everyone,
I seek seconds for the General Resolution at the end of this e-mail.
The preceding sections are an introductory explanation and rationale.
We have reviewed the discussion we've already had and prepared an FAQ,
linked below.
Thank you for all the input on my previous posting, whic
Le jeudi, 27 juin 2024, 09.15:42 h CEST Sean Whitton a écrit :
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> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
>
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean Whitton and
>
Hi,
On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 16:12 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Ansgar, Joerg,
>
> Discussion has died down without a resolution of our impasse, but Ian
> sent a very long message, so perhaps you are working through it.
>
> Could you let me know if you are still working on further responses,
> and
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 03:15:42PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> I seek seconds for the General Resolution at the end of this e-mail.
> The preceding sections are an introductory explanation and rationale.
*NOT* Seconded.
The discussion following the pre-GR has clearly shown that we need to
have f
On 17273 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote:
I seek seconds for the General Resolution at the end of this e-mail.
The preceding sections are an introductory explanation and rationale.
So, we are even still discussing things in that other monster thread.
And the second one beside it. FTPMaster has
On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 03:15:42PM +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> =
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
>
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean Whitton and
>
On 17273 March 1977, Sean Whitton wrote:
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NEED FOR A GR
So, why am I proposing a GR?
Because you aren't appearently interested in actual cooperation, but
want to force something down the throat of others, ignoring their
wishes.
The ftpmaster team have refused to trust uploads coming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
Sean Whitton writes ("General Resolution to deploy tag2upload"):
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
>
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designe
Refusing to make a decision is a decision. Ansgar has explicitly set a
requirement for including the checksums of the end result Debian source
package in the tag. This requirement was not withdrawn or overridden by
other FTP masters in the public list communications. And all (detailed)
explanations
On Thursday, June 27, 2024 6:07:33 AM EDT Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> Refusing to make a decision is a decision. Ansgar has explicitly set a
> requirement for including the checksums of the end result Debian source
> package in the tag. This requirement was not withdrawn or overridden by
> other FTP m
On Thu, 2024-06-27 15:15:42 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> =
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
>
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
>
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean Whitton and
>Ian Jack
On 27.06.24 09:50, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
leading to having no idea
why a checksum as suggested isn't possible (it would work trivially for
the counterexamples given...).
I assume that "checksum" refers to something
likehttps://pkg.go.dev/golang.org/x/mod/sumdb/dirhash#Hash1 which you
referred to i
On 17273 March 1977, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
Refusing to make a decision is a decision.
We haven't refused to make one.
We haven't been asked for one, even.
If this was the same kind of discussion that happened five years ago,
I can
see why it was not continued. There is no point in service b
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes:
Sean> Hello everyone, I seek seconds for the General Resolution at
Sean> the end of this e-mail. The preceding sections are an
Sean> introductory explanation and rationale.
Sean> We have reviewed the discussion we've already had and prepared
On 27.06.24 16:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
We haven't refused to make one.
We haven't been asked for one, even.
Given that Ansgar still more-or-less insists on his checksum approach,
which AFAICT cannot work for many dgit workflows, there's really no
point in asking in the first place IMHO.
A
Joerg Jaspert writes:
> On 17273 March 1977, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
>> Refusing to make a decision is a decision.
> We haven't refused to make one.
> We haven't been asked for one, even.
Don't you think this is getting kind of absurd? I flatly don't believe
that you actually believe that. The
Hi Russ,
On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 09:15 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> *As soon as* you indicated that there was some willingness to move your
> position, people reinvested substantial effort into trying to have that
> discussion
Yes, I remember. For example getting examples from Russ Allbery about
wh
Hi Matthias,
On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 13:56 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> On 27.06.24 09:50, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> > leading to having no idea
> > why a checksum as suggested isn't possible (it would work trivially for
> > the counterexamples given...).
>
> I assume that "checksum" refers to somethi
Ansgar 🙀 writes:
> On Thu, 2024-06-27 at 09:15 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> *As soon as* you indicated that there was some willingness to move your
>> position, people reinvested substantial effort into trying to have that
>> discussion
> Yes, I remember. For example getting examples from Russ
On 27.06.24 19:50, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
You missed a very simple part: it wouldn't sign (a hash of) the output
of dgit. So the problem does not exist in the form you imagine.
OK. Sorry if I misunderstood that email then, it's been a busy week, but
… so what *do* you want t2u to checksum?
--
-- re
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes:
Sean> = BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
Sean> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
Sean> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
Sean> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean
Sean> Whitt
> "Andreas" == Andreas Tille writes:
Andreas> I would really love to see some mails / logs of discussion
Andreas> between tag2upload developers and ftpmaster team. Is there
Andreas> any chance that we could bring the involved parties in one
Andreas> (virtual) room and discuss
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 16:21:47 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 17273 March 1977, Aigars Mahinovs wrote:
> > Refusing to make a decision is a decision.
> We haven't refused to make one.
> We haven't been asked for one, even.
> > There is no point in service building a
> > Debian source package wher
I'd like to submit a ballot option.
Not really happy with the current text though. The idea is simple : I
have been convinced, reading the previous discussion, that no formal
opinion from ftpmaster has been provided.
I'm not sure that it was asked explicitly, and I think that before
having a GR t
Sean Whitton writes:
> =
> BEGIN FORMAL RESOLUTION TEXT
> tag2upload allows DDs and DMs to upload simply by using the
> git-debpush(1) script to push a signed git tag.
> 1. tag2upload, in the form designed and implemented by Sean Whitton and
>Ian Jackson, and design reviewed by Jonathan
Hi,
> Two comments, one more emotional and one more analytical:
>
> * Part of my gut feeling is that the call for a GR might be a bit
> premature, as I have the feeling that especially Gannef is not
> opposed to t2u in general but is trying to work out how it might
> work; and I really appr
Russ,
I just wanted to say that I have appreciated all of the time and effort you
have put into this discussion, and particularly appreciate your explanation of
why some security efforts fail and which aspects of security humans are good at
compared to which aspects machines are good at.
On Tu
Hello,
On Thu 27 Jun 2024 at 09:50am +02, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-06-24 at 16:12 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> Ansgar, Joerg,
>>
>> Discussion has died down without a resolution of our impasse, but Ian
>> sent a very long message, so perhaps you are working through it.
>>
>> Could you let
Hello,
I called for seconds when I did because I was hoping to minimise how
much this GR would interact with debcamp and debconf.
A number of people have said that in doing so, I misjudged the extent to
which discussion is still ongoing. I am only one participant in this
discussion, so I appreci
Hi Sean,
On Fri, 2024-06-28 at 14:06 +0800, Sean Whitton wrote:
> On Thu 27 Jun 2024 at 09:50am +02, Ansgar 🙀 wrote:
> > In particular I haven't had time to find anything after the discussion
> > with Russ, leading to having no idea why a checksum as suggested isn't
> > possible (it would work tri
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