Re: New option for the RMS/FSF GR: reaffirm the values of the majority

2021-04-04 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sat, Apr 03, 2021 at 11:51:29PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > It seems highly likely that the message to which I'm replying was not > sent or authorized by Enrico, and that its sender is trying to mislead > Debian members by impersonating a prominent and respected developer. I can confirm it

Re: New option for the RMS/FSF GR: reaffirm the values of the majority

2021-04-04 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/04/04 05:47, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it - I > didn't think it could have been read as a serious request until the > first response to it. I would appreciate it if we could keep satire and comedy a bit dialed back for a but. As much

Constitution A.6 - "V(A,D) is strictly great"

2021-04-04 Thread Niels Thykier
Hi, In https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution#item-A, there is the following sentence under A.6. bullet 3.2.: > An option A defeats the default option D by a majority ratio N, if V(A,D) is > greater or equal to N * V(D,A) and V(A,D) is strictly great The "... and V(A,D) is strictly great"

Re: Constitution A.6 - "V(A,D) is strictly great"

2021-04-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:31:46AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: > Hi, > > In https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution#item-A, there is the > following sentence under A.6. bullet 3.2.: > > > An option A defeats the default option D by a majority ratio N, if V(A,D) > > is greater or equal to N *

Re: Cancel "culture" is a threat to Debian

2021-04-04 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2021/04/01 17:57, Sergey B Kirpichev wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 04:50:15PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: >> The first option is one option, the others are different and less >> strong. Having strong options in a GR doesn't turn the whole GR in a >> blackmail > > I would disagree. Es

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:50:01 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > This is the first call for votes on the General Resolution about > a statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board. I urge everybody to vote responsibly and thoughtfully. Cancel mob can

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Jessica Clarke
On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:27, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:50:01 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt > Roeckx wrote: >> This is the first call for votes on the General Resolution about >> a statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board. > > I urge eve

Re: Debian Project Leader election 2021: both candidates are from cancel mob

2021-04-04 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:49:57 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt Roeckx wrote: > [ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter > [ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran FYI, both cancel mob candidates signed anti-RMS statement: https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md --

Re: Debian Project Leader election 2021: both candidates are from cancel mob

2021-04-04 Thread Jessica Clarke
On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:33, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:49:57 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt > Roeckx wrote: >> [ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter >> [ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran > > FYI, both cancel mob candidates signed anti-RMS statement: > > > https://github.com

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Jessica Clarke
On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:38, Pasha wrote: > On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 12:31 +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote: >> On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:27, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: >>> >>> I urge everybody to vote responsibly and thoughtfully. >>> >>> Cancel mob can never be satisfied and, if encouraged, they will >>> demand >>

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Pasha
On Sun, 2021-04-04 at 12:31 +0100, Jessica Clarke wrote: > On 4 Apr 2021, at 12:27, Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > > > I urge everybody to vote responsibly and thoughtfully. > > > > Cancel mob can never be satisfied and, if encouraged, they will > > demand > > more sacrifices soon. > > The discussio

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Dmitry Smirnov
On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:31:26 PM AEST Jessica Clarke wrote: > they should vote for > what *they* believe in, not what you or anyone else thinks. Adults' vote would hardly be motivated by reverse psychology (e.g. voting against "what I think or anyone else think"). But it is worth remembering th

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a > certain agenda on this list. Welcome to Debian. People are free to express their opinion, even if they are not owning an @debian.org email address. And that is actua

Re: Debian Project Leader election 2021: both candidates are from cancel mob

2021-04-04 Thread Niels Thykier
Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > > On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:49:57 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt > Roeckx wrote: >> [ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter >> [ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran > > FYI, both cancel mob candidates signed anti-RMS statement: > > > https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-ope

Re: General Resolution: please vote responsibly

2021-04-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 21:27:28+1000, Dmitry Smirnov a écrit : > On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:50:01 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt > Roeckx wrote: > > This is the first call for votes on the General Resolution about > > a statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF boa

Re: Debian Project Leader election 2021: both candidates are from cancel mob

2021-04-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 21:33:57+1000, Dmitry Smirnov a écrit : > On Sunday, 4 April 2021 9:49:57 AM AEST Debian Project Secretary - Kurt > Roeckx wrote: > > [ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter > > [ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran > > FYI, both cancel mob candidates signed anti-RMS statement: > >

Re: New option for the RMS/FSF GR: reaffirm the values of the majority

2021-04-04 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "MK" == Matthias Klumpp writes: MK> I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it I’m not amused by it. I liked the 1st April joke, but this is not fun anymore and the fact that someone as respectful as Enrico does that makes me thinking about some ballot options in a

Re: New option for the RMS/FSF GR: reaffirm the values of the majority

2021-04-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 06:09:53PM +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote: > > "MK" == Matthias Klumpp writes: > > MK> I did actually read this as satire and was quite amused by it > > I’m not amused by it. I liked the 1st April joke, but this is not fun > anymore and the fact that someone as respe

Printing from Linux (was: Re: Nuance Regarding RMS)

2021-04-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I'm well aware the discussion period is over, but I can't let that one pass, so bear with me. Le vendredi, 2 avril 2021, 18.19:02 h CEST Barak A. Pearlmutter a écrit : > Fifty years ago a laserprinter didn't work right because of some > software issue and he couldn't fix it because the software i

Debian-vote: GRs, discussion and voting periods - a plea for calm

2021-04-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Everyone: There are currently two GRs (the DPL vote and the RMS statement) which have proved contentious and created large amounts of discussion, stifling some of the discussion we might normally have had. The vote period on both GRs has now started: please, everyone, stop posting mai

Re: Debian-vote: GRs, discussion and voting periods - a plea for calm

2021-04-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 05:36:21PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > > > > Thanks > > (I agree with your mail. I'm just wondering.. about the following) > > - are you a member of the community team? > - was this an 'official' mail from the team or your personal opinion or a mix > or

Re: Printing from Linux (was: Re: Nuance Regarding RMS)

2021-04-04 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
I certainly did not mean to disparage the efforts of the people working on the Debian printing software, who have really raised the bar. It's great that printers usually "just work", that they're automatically sniffed off the net, etc. Every time I print a page I remember the bad old days and am th

Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is ****909

2021-04-04 Thread crazy . molly
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist X-Debbugs-CC: debian-proj...@lists.debian.org,debian-vote@lists.debian.org,debian-de...@lists.debian.org We are contributors to Debian The contribution of every one of us makes the name Debian respectable We can't allow a crazy woman who slept with a past proje

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along > with FD. It'd probably help. FD effectively is the same as "none of the above". You might believe that the subject is stupid and that the horse is dead a

Re: Secret ballot and RMS Resolution

2021-04-04 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi, On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:06:07PM +, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Could we get a Constitution Amendment GR passed along the lines of the > following? > > Provided that 2*Q developers demand it, votes are kept secret after > the vote ended. I would actually prefer it to be easier: If o

Re: Question to the DPL candiates: secret ballots

2021-04-04 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 05:01:28PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: >On 4/2/21 4:07 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: >> >> Is that paranoia ? > >Yes it is. If only it was. >I don't think 3 letters agency cares about a Debian statement for RMS, >neither they would care who voted what for our CoC or welcomin

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:49:01PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along > > with FD. It'd probably help. > > FD effectively is the same as "none of the above".

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le dimanche 04 avril 2021 à 21:49:01+0200, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along > > with FD. It'd probably help. > > FD effectively is the same as "none of the abo

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread crazy . molly
If you don't want these ego-maniacs to use your name in their vendettas you can resign from Debian.  This is the choice.  How many people will resign if Debian votes to attack Stallman?  Please tell us before the vote finishes so we call can know this now. No matter the outcome of this vot

Re: Bug#986382: DPL Jonathan Carter's passport number is *******

2021-04-04 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
Hi guys, Please stop replying. That is a troll, will be banned quickly, dont maintain it alive. Just ignore, listmaster and bts will do what is needed. Keep power for other more interesting things. Regards Le 04/04/2021 à 23:18, crazy.mo...@lavache.com a écrit : If you don't want these eg

Re: Debian-vote: GRs, discussion and voting periods - a plea for calm

2021-04-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 06:36:40PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I _am_ a member of the community team. oh dear. [I'm not really able to express what I feel having a private mail exposed by you. I hope for a honest mistake but even then I'd be disappointed. I'll leave it at this.] because you

Re: What does FD Mean

2021-04-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 10:20:15PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 09:49:01PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 11:29:58PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > > > I'd rather have a None of the Above default option all the time along > > > with FD. It'd

Re: opinion on Choice 1

2021-04-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Apr 04, 2021 at 03:09:10PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On Tue, 2021-03-30 at 12:18 +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > > People without voting rights repeatedly tried to lobby or push for a > > certain agenda on this list. > Welcome to Debian. > People are free to express their opinion, even

Re: Debian-vote: GRs, discussion and voting periods - a plea for calm

2021-04-04 Thread Holger Levsen
someone brought this up on IRC and I replied... [23:01] < h01ger> he apologized in private, so i'm fine. mistakes happen all the time. -- cheers, Holger ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 0

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-04 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject...  It is a kind of freedom to

Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board: First call for votes

2021-04-04 Thread jc
Hello Debian community, I was surprised to see that kind of news... I do not have lot of time for IT for the moment, but I read my email and I see that... For the moment, what I understand, he just speak, nothing's more, maybe with "clumsiness" about some subject... It is a kind of freedom to