Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-10-01 Thread Simon Law
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grrr, I seconded the wrong one before... I hearby second the following proposal. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the f

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Seconded. > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project Leader. > 2. Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3:1 majority. > 3. Override any decision by the Projec

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I hearby second this amendment. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Branden Robinson wrote: > I propose the following amendment: > > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guid

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I hearby second this proposal. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava wrote: - -- Start of PGP signed section. > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grrr, I seconded the wrong one before... I hearby second the following proposal. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the f

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Seconded. > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project Leader. > 2. Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3:1 majority. > 3. Override any decision by the Projec

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I hearby second this amendment. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Branden Robinson wrote: > I propose the following amendment: > > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guid

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Joe Nahmias
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I hearby second this proposal. Joe Nahmias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manoj Srivastava wrote: - -- Start of PGP signed section. > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. Powe

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> == >> >> 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or electi

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
I hereby second the ammendment known as BR3 Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. P

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 12:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Uhh, I have lost track. I need to go into the archive ans see > who has seconded what, unless someone beats me to it. I based this upon your message here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200309/msg00036.html > B

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Remi Vanicat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> == >> >> 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or electi

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
I hereby second the ammendment known as BR3 Branden Robinson wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > == > > > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > > > >4.1. P

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 12:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Uhh, I have lost track. I need to go into the archive ans see > who has seconded what, unless someone beats me to it. I based this upon your message here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200309/msg00036.html > B

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:33:51 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: >> I second the above amendment. > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? Uhh, I have lost track. I need to go into the archive ans s

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 04:33:51 -0400, Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: >> I second the above amendment. > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? Uhh, I have lost track. I need to go into the archive ans se

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > > I second the above amendment. > > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? Probably, but we can't proceed until BR3 either has enough seconds, or it's reasonably clear that it won't get them. -

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Jochen Voss
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 04:33:51AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > > > I second the above amendment. > > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? I hope so :-) Jochen -- http://seehuhn.de/ signature.asc Description: Digita

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > > I second the above amendment. > > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? Probably, but we can't proceed until BR3 either has enough seconds, or it's reasonably clear that it won't get them. -

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Jochen Voss
On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 04:33:51AM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > > > I second the above amendment. > > Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? I hope so :-) Jochen -- http://seehuhn.de/ signature.asc Description: Digita

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > I second the above amendment. Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-28 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 04:55, Jochen Voss wrote: > I second the above amendment. Doesn't this mean the BR amendment now has enough seconds? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:11:35 +0300, Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I propose the following amendment: >> >> - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian >> - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Softw

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 04:11:35 +0300, Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: >> I propose the following amendment: >> >> - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian >> - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Softw

[OFFTOPIC] [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:22:03PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote: > Why is my mail to this list encountering huge delays? You weren't alone: http://murphy.debian.org/mrtg/murphy.queue-in.html -- G. Branden Robinson|Beware of and eschew pompous Debian GNU/Linux

[OFFTOPIC] [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:22:03PM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote: > Why is my mail to this list encountering huge delays? You weren't alone: http://murphy.debian.org/mrtg/murphy.queue-in.html -- G. Branden Robinson|Beware of and eschew pompous Debian GNU/Linux

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Neil Roeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 23, Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, > withdraw, and supersede these docum

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Neil Roeth
On Sep 24, Neil Roeth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Manoj, > > Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting what seems > to > be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification? Why is my mail to this list encountering huge delays? I sent an email on Mon

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 04:11:35AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > Hmm, I've always thought of the DFSG as *part of* the Social Contract. > The Social Contract says: >As there are many definitions of free software, we include the >guidelines we use to determine if software is "free" below.

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Neil Roeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 23, Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, > withdraw, and supersede these docum

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-27 Thread Neil Roeth
On Sep 24, Neil Roeth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Manoj, > > Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting what seems to > be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification? Why is my mail to this list encountering huge delays? I sent an email on Monday,

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 04:11:35AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: > Hmm, I've always thought of the DFSG as *part of* the Social Contract. > The Social Contract says: >As there are many definitions of free software, we include the >guidelines we use to determine if software is "free" below.

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:03:58PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project Leader. > 2. Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Jochen Voss
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > > ==

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Branden Robinson wrote: > -   5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > -       Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > +   5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "Debian > +       Social Contract". I disagree. Rationale: The DFSG doesn't codify

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:03:58PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project Leader. > 2. Amend this constitution, provided they agree with a 3

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the > Debian Social Contract the opportunity of a 25% minority veto, but not > wish to extend this to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Last time I checked, the

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I propose the following amendment: > > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > + 5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "Debia

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:16:06 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I propose the following amendment: > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > + 5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "De

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Jochen Voss
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > > ==

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, > withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify them in > place. > >

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Branden Robinson wrote: > -   5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > -       Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > +   5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "Debian > +       Social Contract". I disagree. Rationale: The DFSG doesn't codify

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Raul Miller
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > It occurs to me that there are some people who may wish to afford the > Debian Social Contract the opportunity of a 25% minority veto, but not > wish to extend this to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Last time I checked, the

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:16:06PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I propose the following amendment: > > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > + 5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "Debia

Re: [AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 16:16:06 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I propose the following amendment: > - 5.2 The Foundation Documents are the works entitled "Debian > - Social Contract" and "Debian Free Software Guidelines". > + 5.2 The Foundation Document is the work entitled "De

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the > modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, > withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify them in > place. > >

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Neil Roeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj, Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting what seems to be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification? - -- Neil Roeth -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Proce

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Neil Roeth
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Manoj, Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting what seems to be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification? - -- Neil Roeth -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Proce

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Steve Langasek
I second Branden Robinson's amendment of Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgpufE2Ii0zmt.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-26 Thread Steve Langasek
I second Branden Robinson's amendment of Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 18:29, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, Not quite ... > + 5.3 A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 super-majority for its > + supercession. New Foundation Documents are issued and This is still wro

[AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, [My first attempt to send this out does not seem to have made it to the list] Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify

[AMENDMENT BR3] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:29:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Proj

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 18:29, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is a spell checked version, Not quite ... > + 5.3 A Foundation Document requires a 3:1 super-majority for its > + supercession. New Foundation Documents are issued and This is still wro

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, [My first attempt to send this out does not seem to have made it to the list] Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify them in place. == 4.

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is a spell checked version, and also one that removes the modify clause for the foundation documents. So now we may issue, withdraw, and supersede these documents, but not modify them in place. == 4.

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-24 Thread Neil Roeth
I'd be happy to second an amended proposal reflecting what seems to be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification. Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting that?

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-24 Thread Neil Roeth
I'd be happy to second an amended proposal reflecting what seems to be the consensus, i.e., allowing supersession, but not modification. Are you going to post another version of the proposal reflecting that? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:43:49PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 04:59, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > > this changed

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 07:43:49PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: > On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 04:59, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > > this changed

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 04:59, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > this changed wording? (New sponsors are also welcome for second this > modified propos

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, it was. I did include the supercession language later on > in the document, but forgot it at the top of clause 5. This version also looks fine modulo one spelling nit: forms of "supersede" are traditionally spelled with Ss, not Cs. --

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:44:37AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > > a historical record. >

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Oliver Elphick
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 04:59, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > this changed wording? (New sponsors are also welcome for second this > modified propos

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Aaron M. Ucko
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, it was. I did include the supercession language later on > in the document, but forgot it at the top of clause 5. This version also looks fine modulo one spelling nit: forms of "supersede" are traditionally spelled with Ss, not Cs. --

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:44:37AM -0400, Simon Law wrote: > On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > > a historical record. >

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > a historical record. I think we should never modify them. It should be possible

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:52:13 -0400, Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:59:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating >> Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of >> this changed

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Steve Langasek
Seconded. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:59:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > this changed wording?

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of this changed wording? (New sponsors are also welcome for second this modified proposal). manoj ==

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is the Current proposal that has receive sponsors: == 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers Together, the Developers may: 1. Appoint or recall the Project Lea

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Simon Law
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 12:04:28AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Do people think that we should only supercede foundation > documents, and never modify them? I would not be averse to preserving > a historical record. I think we should never modify them. It should be possible

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, This is the way I count it at the moment My original Proposal: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) My proposal with a patch: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:52:13 -0400, Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:59:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating >> Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of >> this changed

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Steve Langasek
Seconded. -- Steve Langasek postmodern programmer On Sun, Sep 21, 2003 at 10:59:31PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi folks, > > Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating > Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of > this changed wording?

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is my amended proposal, further changed by incorporating Branden's suggestions. Would the sponsors of my proposal approve of this changed wording? (New sponsors are also welcome for second this modified proposal). manoj ==

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Here is the Current proposal that has receive sponsors: == 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers Together, the Developers may: 1. Appoint or recall the Project Lea

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi guys, This is the way I count it at the moment My original Proposal: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron M. Ucko) My proposal with a patch: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Simon Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
i hereby second the proposal below. -john Branden Robinson wrote: > > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Pr

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:33:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > > ==

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
i hereby second the proposal below. -john Branden Robinson wrote: > > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Pr

Re: GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:33:08PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > > ==

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Simon Law
Manoj, I would like to add my approval to these editorial comments. The idea of superseding previous documents sits far better with me than the idea of modification. The preservation of a historical record of our decisions is one of the ways we make our intentions clear to the world. Pl

Re: [AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Simon Law
Manoj, I would like to add my approval to these editorial comments. The idea of superseding previous documents sits far better with me than the idea of modification. The preservation of a historical record of our decisions is one of the ways we make our intentions clear to the world. Pl

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-20 Thread Richard Braakman
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 04:24:52PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > == > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the Project

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-19 Thread Bob Hilliard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > >

Re: [AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-19 Thread Bob Hilliard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three > years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording > changes.) > >

[AMENDMENT BR2] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-19 Thread Branden Robinson
I have some editorial amendments to propose. Unlike amendment BR1, these do *not* run counter to the proposer's intentions as I understand them. > 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election > >4.1. Powers > > Together, the Developers may: > 1. Appoint or recall the

[AMENDMENT BR1] GR: Disambiguation of Section 4.1.5 of the constitution

2003-09-19 Thread Branden Robinson
I, too, would like to re-propose the General Resolution I proposed three years ago. (This is substantively the same, with only minor wording changes.) == 4. The Developers by way of General Resolution or election 4.1. Powers

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