Draft ballot

2025-04-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Here is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2025-04-06 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2025-04-19 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Draft ballot

2024-04-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 2024-04-06 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2024-04-19 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Draft ballot

2023-03-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2023-04-01 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2023-04-14 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Re: Draft ballot

2022-09-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
Thanks Kurt, this text looks good to me! On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:57:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: >Hi, > >This is the draft ballot. > > Voting period starts 2022-09-18 00:00:00 UTC > Votes must be received by 2022-10-01 23:59:59 UTC > >This vote is being

Draft ballot

2022-09-17 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, This is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2022-09-18 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2022-10-01 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

DPL vote draft ballot

2022-04-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Here is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2022-04-03 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2022-04-16 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR

2022-03-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
An other update: Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process. This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution

Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR

2022-03-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Updated ballot: Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process. This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution a

Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR

2022-03-12 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 18:09:20 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting > > > ince we can either have [...] I assume this was meant to start with "Since"? smcv

Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR

2022-03-12 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
I don't think you updated this template after the last GR: On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 06:09:20PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > [ ] Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote > [ ] Choice 2: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote and > allow verification > [ ] Ch

Draft ballot voting secrecy GR

2022-03-12 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process. This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the

Draft ballot statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on a regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board This vote is being conducted as required by the D

Draft ballot DPL election

2021-04-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is a draft ballot for the DPL election: Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel

Draft ballot

2020-04-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, This is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2020-04-05 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2020-04-18 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Re: Updated draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 07:54:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here is a new draft ballot: > > Here is a new one: And even a newer one: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:0

Re: Updated draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Hi, > > Here is a new draft ballot: Here is a new one: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems an

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Draft ballot"): > It doesn't count lines from the start, or anything like that. > So yes, I think it works the way we would hope. Note that the checking of the "title" is not very good: # Checking the whole damned line was cr

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Draft ballot"): > As far as I know, devotee checks the text. But I have no idea if > it supports resorting. If you want to know, I suggest you just > look at the source. The vote.d.o page had a link to this https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/devotee.

Updated draft ballot

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Here is a new draft ballot: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-05 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:07:03PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Kurt Roeckx writes ("Draft ballot"): > > [ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd > > [ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives > > [ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Import

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Draft ballot"): > [ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd > [ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives > [ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important > [ ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking pro

Re: Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:53:10PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > How can you issue the ballot without consensus. That is over my head. What do you think there is no consensus about that is relevant? I did not see anybody sponsor Ian's GR yet, so it seems to me I have no other option than to proc

Re: Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Svante Signell
How can you issue the ballot without consensus. That is over my head.

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Micha Lenk
Hi Kurt, On 04.12.19 20:18, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:13:30PM +0100, Micha Lenk wrote: Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options? Just the options. But looking at old ballots, the last non-DPL election also had the full text of the options. I

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:13:30PM +0100, Micha Lenk wrote: > Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options? Just the options. But looking at old ballots, the last non-DPL election also had the full text of the options. Kurt

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Micha Lenk
Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options?

Re: Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Sam Hartman
I don't know if the text should be in the ballot. I did ask someone who has not been in this discussion to review the ballot without the text. They are not a DD. But they found just the choice titles entirely mystifying. But it would be really long with all the text.

Draft ballot

2019-12-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Do you think it's useful to also have the text of all the options in the ballot? Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd This

Draft ballot

2019-04-06 Thread Kurt Roeckx
This is the draft ballot. Voting period starts 2019-04-07 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2019-04-20 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting

Re: draft ballot

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 12:46:56AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 11:00:40PM +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > Here is the draft ballot. > > > > Thanks for it! > >

Re: draft ballot

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 11:00:40PM +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > Here is the draft ballot. > > Thanks for it! > > This draft does not contain any information regarding the secrecy of the > vote. I kn

Re: draft ballot

2017-04-01 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Here is the draft ballot. Thanks for it! This draft does not contain any information regarding the secrecy of the vote. I know that the vote will be secret (according to the consttution), but in the recentish past there was a thr

draft ballot

2017-04-01 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot. Kurt Voting period starts 2017-04-02 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2017-04-15 23:59:59 UTC This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For

Re: Draft ballot

2016-04-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 11:21:11PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the draft ballot: > > Voting period starts Sun Apr 3 00:00:00 UTC 2016 > Votes must be received by Sat Apr 16 23:59:59 UTC 2016 I've changed that to: Voting period starts

Draft ballot

2016-04-02 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Hi, Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts Sun Apr 3 00:00:00 UTC 2016 Votes must be received by Sat Apr 16 23:59:59 UTC 2016 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution

Re: draft ballot

2015-03-31 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Kurt Roeckx [2015-04-01 01:03 +0200]: > Voting period starts Wed Apr 1 00:00:00 UTC 2015 > Votes must be received by Tue Apr 14 23:59:59 UTC 2015 Or just go with a standard: 2015-04-01 00:00:00 UTC -- .''`. martin f. krafft @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian developer

Re: draft ballot

2015-03-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:57:30AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Kurt Roeckx , 2015-04-01, 00:35: > >>Here is the draft ballot: > >> > >>Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 > >>Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC

Re: draft ballot

2015-03-31 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Kurt Roeckx , 2015-04-01, 00:35: Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 That should of course be: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April

Re: draft ballot

2015-03-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:34:01AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Here is the draft ballot: > > Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 That should of course be: Voting p

draft ballot

2015-03-31 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/12/08 at 09:44 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05:39AM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : > > > > > Also, you removed "and all the contributors" in Choice2 of the ballot > > > (Choice 1 > > > of the GR), which in my opinion is crucial. But since after the vote of > >

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05:39AM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : > > > Also, you removed "and all the contributors" in Choice2 of the ballot > > (Choice 1 > > of the GR), which in my opinion is crucial. But since after the vote of the > > GR, > > the wording of the choices has no role in iterpr

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:44:32AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply > > ASAP. > > Hi Neil > >

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : > Hi all, > > Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply > ASAP. Hi Neil The vote page has three mutually exclusive texts, with headers named "Choice 1", "Choice 2&q

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:01:36PM -0600, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: > On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or > > concensus. > > [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concen

Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Guilherme de S. Pastore
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or concensus. > [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus, > leading to a new proposal. s/concensus/consensus/ ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote

2008-12-03 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Thanks, Neil == Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Thursday, 4th Dec 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 U

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-03 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 06:35:14PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= > > > > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 > >

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-03 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= > > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 So wh

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-03 Thread Andreas Barth
* Peter Palfrader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081101 09:26]: > Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. I'm sorry to say but that happens only if the resolution says so ("If such a resolution is sponsored by at least 2K Developers, or if it is proposed by the Technical Committe

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-01 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > > > For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been > > > amended to not include the decision reversal text. > > > > I find it mildly entertaining that this vot

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : > > Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. The > immediate vote then is held to see if it stays on hold until the real GR > is done. So the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is > Joerg an

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-11-01 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: > > For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been > > amended to not include the decision reversal text. > > I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place > because apparently it takes "a couple of days, [...]

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-31 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Oct 31 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: > I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place > because apparently it takes "a couple of days, [...] and sometimes > longer" [0] to set up an "immediate" vote. I'm sure there were > very good reasons [1] to not rush things in this pa

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-31 Thread Jurij Smakov
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:42:30AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for > > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is > > called for if th

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-31 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is > called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, > as per 4.2.2

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-28 Thread Holger Levsen
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 12:14, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > You could give them an incentive to do so... > WTF do you think did I do with my mail? Would you please start to *read* > before you reply? Oh, thanks, I read before I replied... maybe you can make yourself understood better and *write* p

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its >> sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it >> *WONT* do anything except creating needless work? > You could give them an incentive to do so... WTF

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-28 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > > Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we > > > can later overrule it by a full GR if we wan

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Jörg, On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its > sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it > *WONT* do anything except creating needless work? You could give them an incentive to do so...

Re: Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]

2008-10-28 Thread MJ Ray
Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg4.html I've added Neil McGovern under Secretary to webwml/english/intro/organization.data Hope that's OK, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://w

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > > As I already explained none of this is implemented yet. None of this > will be implemented within the next few weeks. Joerg, in your answer to Aurélien, you wrote that your announcment was "a new policy to get implemented". Bu

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 >> > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided >> > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided >> > [ ] Choice 3: Furt

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we > > can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that > > we'll also have this 2 week discus

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we > can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that > we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR? It's the reverse. The sponsorship o

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:20:30PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > Hi Neil > > Thanks for the prompt clarification. > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 > > > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands unt

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:56:48PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]: > > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided > > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided > > I don't

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Neil Thanks for the prompt clarification. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Be

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > a1ea0fab

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]: > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided I don't understand the difference between those two. -- .''`. martin f. kraff

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:38:55PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please > > send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. > > You have a total of

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 > > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership r

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:11:57PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= > > > > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 > > Votes must be re

Re: Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:16:53PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for > > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is > > c

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Didier Raboud
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > (...) > (one of the people who could ruin this vote is going away for a busness --->< > trip this week, and the other one is new at this task). > (...) > manoj You meant "run", huh ? -- Swis

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 > > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided > > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on members

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please > send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. You have a total of 3 times "proceedural" instead of "procedural" in this mail.

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Joerg Jaspert
> - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided > [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Why should we wait until next sunday? The constitution says: Because it takes time to set up a vote, and it requires attention from the vote taker at the beginning and end of the vote, and the times reflect the prep time required (one of the

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 > [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided > [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership refor

Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]

2008-10-27 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > Hi all, > > As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for > a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is > called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, >

Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= > > Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 > Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 Why should we wait unt

Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-27 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. Attached below is the draft ballo

Second draft ballot for the project leader vote 2008

2008-03-28 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, I forgot that some people still can't deal with ë in an email. Here is a revised ballot. manoj --8<---cut here---start->8--- Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, March 30th, 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59

Draft ballot for the project leader vote

2008-03-27 Thread Debian Project Secretary
Hi, The following is a draft ballot for comment. The order of the candidates names was determined by a virtual coin toss. manoj == Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, March 30th, 2008

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-30 Thread MJ Ray
Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >FYI, I was today congratulated for my honourable 4th place in the DPL > elections. And which news service did they read that on? :-) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#cod

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-29 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Thu, Mar 29, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I would argue that the ballot has a similar clearcut > distinction: The ranking is the number the voter enters, the ordering > of the choices has the prefix "Choice", and actually precedes the > actual option. FYI, I was today congratu

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:21:02 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:46:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> >> > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some >> >> >> > voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something >> >> >> > that i

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-29 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:46:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> >> > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some > >> >> > voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that > >> >> > is inherently confusing. > > > Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:08:45 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several > bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them > that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the > recipients.

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:08:45 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> >> redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA >> >> >> mangled ballots >> >> >> >> > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases wit

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> >> redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled > >> >> ballots > >> > >> > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, > >> > yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is >

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:02:22 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:13:03AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >> redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled >> >> ballots >> >> > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voter

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:13:03AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled > >> ballots > > > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, > > yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently > > co

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:04:06 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:11:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled >> ballots > It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, > yes, bu

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-28 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:11:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. > Given th

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:43:31 +0200, Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > We strayed from the real point here... the point is that these > internal variables are completely irrelevant to the voters and > should be avoided. The program can detect the line "[ ... ] Option > name" just as easily

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-27 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:45:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst > > ... > >> [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above > > > Would it be possible to use just letters, rather than both letters > > and numbers ? That will make everything a little less confusing - > > in p

Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot

2007-03-21 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:06:34 +, Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: > Draft ballot"): >> [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst > ... >> [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above > Would it be p

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