AJ's platform

2006-02-28 Thread Steve Greenland
ble. I'll send the highest bidder the necessary key to verify my vote. Thanks! Steve "I stay bought" Greenland -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world.

Re: {SPAM} Question about GFDL licensed works

2006-02-13 Thread Steve Greenland
. to amend the license to clarify this and other problematical parts of it. They have not been able to do so. I think that makes it pretty clear that using "notes from RMS" to bypass this license term is unlikely to work. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates

Re: Project scud (for Andreas Schuldei and Branden Robinson)

2005-03-10 Thread Steve Greenland
ect, and who they'd go to for ideas and second opinions. All Project Scud has done is make that idea public. We, the voters, can look at that list and decide if we also respect those people or not. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operat

Re: Questions for all candidates re: interpersonal behavior

2005-03-08 Thread Steve Greenland
ry was a way to snipe at Mr. Suffield. If you have a problem with the way a maintainer is handling a package, take it to the DPL or tech committee. Snide stories on debian-devel don't help. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating sy

Re: Project scud (for Andreas Schuldei and Branden Robinson)

2005-03-07 Thread Steve Greenland
", "working together" and "discharging > responsibility". I wish that were more funny and less accurate. > Then again, maybe that's only me? Nope. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and

Re: The role of the DPL in technical decisions

2005-03-02 Thread Steve Greenland
ions are being made in. These are procedural issues, and entirely within the purview of the DPL to question. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the n

Re: Analysis of the ballot options

2004-06-19 Thread Steve Greenland
n a way that is useful for our users may (*may*) not be so easy. Both steps are desirable to a significant fraction of the developers. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over th

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Steve Greenland
only conclusion I can draw from it is that quite few more people voted for the change than against it. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Social Contract GR's Affect on sarge

2004-04-26 Thread Steve Greenland
only conclusion I can draw from it is that quite few more people voted for the change than against it. -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net --

Re: Testing the voting scripts

2003-05-17 Thread Steve Greenland
supposed to be 1<=X<=10, or is the voting software unreasonably limited? (I'm guessing the former, and voting accordingly...) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Dec 15 voting amendment draft

2003-02-13 Thread Steve Greenland
e A.6.2 could be read as *defining* Q to be the quorum requirement, it could also be read as defining the quorum requirement to be the previously defined value of Q. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds cla

Re: Dec 15 voting amendment draft

2003-02-13 Thread Steve Greenland
e A.6.2 could be read as *defining* Q to be the quorum requirement, it could also be read as defining the quorum requirement to be the previously defined value of Q. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds cla

Re: Our counting procedure

2001-03-29 Thread Steve Greenland
l as many other things), which is why AJ, Buddha Buck, Raul, and a couple of people from the election-methods list have been working on a proposal to clarify and improve Debian's voting procedure and rules. Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Our counting procedure

2001-03-29 Thread Steve Greenland
l as many other things), which is why AJ, Buddha Buck, Raul, and a couple of people from the election-methods list have been working on a proposal to clarify and improve Debian's voting procedure and rules. Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on mail

Re: my platform for Debian Project Leader

2001-02-24 Thread Steve Greenland
ates, I believe), judges are an elected position, so they do (possibly) change with the rest of the government. (Yes, it's a horrible way to select judges, subject to all the obvious abuses that you might think of.) Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on

Re: my platform for Debian Project Leader

2001-02-24 Thread Steve Greenland
ates, I believe), judges are an elected position, so they do (possibly) change with the rest of the government. (Yes, it's a horrible way to select judges, subject to all the obvious abuses that you might think of.) Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on

Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-11-21 Thread Steve Greenland
irst vote to determine what combination of GR+ammendment(s) will be considered (using a simple Condorcet winner). 2. Vote on whether to accept the final proposal. Since this is a simple yes/no, determining a super-majority is trivial. Steve [1] Well, except in the sense of if there is a 2:1 requi

Re: Condorcet Voting and Supermajorities (Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5)

2000-11-21 Thread Steve Greenland
super-majorities: 1. First vote to determine what combination of GR+ammendment(s) will be considered (using a simple Condorcet winner). 2. Vote on whether to accept the final proposal. Since this is a simple yes/no, determining a super-majority is trivial. Steve [1] Well, except in the sense

Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5

2000-11-09 Thread Steve Greenland
bian Free Software Guidelines. Since it's part of the constitution, it may be modified in the same way: a GR to modify 5.2 that succeeds with a 3:1 majority. Regardless of that, we probably need to get a consistent capitilazation: is it "foundation Documents" or "Foundation

Re: [CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT] Disambiguation of 4.1.5

2000-11-09 Thread Steve Greenland
Debian Free Software Guidelines. Since it's part of the constitution, it may be modified in the same way: a GR to modify 5.2 that succeeds with a 3:1 majority. Regardless of that, we probably need to get a consistent capitilazation: is it "foundation Documents" or "Foundation

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-11-01 Thread Steve Greenland
outcome of the last vote was. I am hoping strongly that that vote is annulled without ever announcing the result in favor a new ballot and new vote. Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-11-01 Thread Steve Greenland
outcome of the last vote was. I am hoping strongly that that vote is annulled without ever announcing the result in favor a new ballot and new vote. Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Oct-00, 11:27 (CST), Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:26:19AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > That's not completely obvious to those of us reading the lists. > > Well, maybe it wasn't obvious, but it should be obvious no

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Oct-00, 11:27 (CST), Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:26:19AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > > That's not completely obvious to those of us reading the lists. > > Well, maybe it wasn't obvious, but it should be obvious no

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
ure that what he says next is as correct as possible. Actually there was an urgency. There isn't now, because the vote ended 10/23/2000, with no response from Darren after 10/10/2000 (unless I inadvertantly deleted something, which is quite possible, so feel free to correct me). Steve -- Stev

Re: The constitution and the social contract

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
ure that what he says next is as correct as possible. Actually there was an urgency. There isn't now, because the vote ended 10/23/2000, with no response from Darren after 10/10/2000 (unless I inadvertantly deleted something, which is quite possible, so feel free to correct me). Steve -- Stev

Re: What gives?

2000-10-24 Thread Steve Greenland
hat, except by Branden's point that the vote should not be taking place at all.) To avoid the "expired" issue, I'd like to see John's GR and Anthony's ammendment re-introduced with a minimum discussion period. At the end of that, a new ballot that is reasonably clear ab

Re: What gives?

2000-10-24 Thread Steve Greenland
hat, except by Branden's point that the vote should not be taking place at all.) To avoid the "expired" issue, I'd like to see John's GR and Anthony's ammendment re-introduced with a minimum discussion period. At the end of that, a new ballot that is reasonabl

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
you talking about? At this point, if non-free is removed without a vote on this proposed ammendment, I (and presumably many others) will assume that it is a deliberate breach of the Debian constitution by those who perform the action, and request that the Project Leader eject those developers from

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
you talking about? At this point, if non-free is removed without a vote on this proposed ammendment, I (and presumably many others) will assume that it is a deliberate breach of the Debian constitution by those who perform the action, and request that the Project Leader eject those developers from the project. Steve Greenland PGP signature

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Jul-00, 16:54 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > the facts do support what i say. the debian constitution states what > > documents may be created or modified by vote, yet fails to mention that > > either the social contract or the DFSG may be so modified.

Re: CFV: Non-free archive removal

2000-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Jul-00, 16:54 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig Sanders wrote: > > the facts do support what i say. the debian constitution states what > > documents may be created or modified by vote, yet fails to mention that > > either the social contract or the DFSG may be so modified

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-18 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Jun-00, 22:39 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Will you please stop equating "I want to provide the best experience > > for our users" with "I support non-free software at

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-18 Thread Steve Greenland
On 15-Jun-00, 22:39 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Will you please stop equating "I want to provide the best experience > > for our users" with "I support non-free software at

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Jun-00, 01:30 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > What do we need this in a GR for? > > > > To reaffirm the principles you are working to erode. > > Your princ

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
On 13-Jun-00, 01:30 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > What do we need this in a GR for? > > > > To reaffirm the principles you are working to erode. > > Your prin

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Steve Greenland
ng about how everyone else isn't doing everything > > for them. > > Agreed. In full power AOL-mode: me too. And what IanJ said (or will say, if you haven't read it yet), as well. Steve -- Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal

1999-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
First off, I also use Netscape instead of Mozilla because Mozilla is not yet ready for primetime (although M7 was close). I'm simply playing devil's advocate here: On 03-Jul-99, 23:34 (CDT), Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My choice to use Netscape doesn't hurt > anyone else (certain

Re: Ad hoc and spontaneous voting

1999-07-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Jun-99, 14:24 (CDT), Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > c) The call for votes should be submitted to -devel and -vote, after > the discussion period is over and a final form of the resolution > is available, along with any amendments, etc, which have recieved > ad

List usage for voting discussion (subject changed for Wichert)

1999-06-11 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-99, 17:29 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For other ballots, I would be; for this one, I didn't find any > discussion necessary. I can't see why all discussion of a ballot > must occur on the debian-vote list. Most of these things being on > debian-devel, and could rem

Re: The Ugly Logo and the Consequences

1999-06-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-99, 02:58 (CDT), Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unfortunately it is all too easy for CFVs to get lost on this mailing list. :0: * Subject:.*CFV Mail/voteannounce > I would prefer it remained an announce list, or that CFVs were also sent > to debian-devel-announce. I too

Re: The Ugly Logo and the Consequences

1999-06-10 Thread Steve Greenland
On 10-Jun-99, 00:25 (CDT), Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, you now they are some countries where you are fined if you don't > show to vote, i think they believe that voting is an obligation not a > right. As a totally off-topic point, I completely disagree with that concept. > Yes

Re: The Ugly Logo and the Consequences

1999-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 08-Jun-99, 14:51 (CDT), Stephen Crowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I totally agree, I wasn't even aware there was a vote going on until I > saw someone talking about it on IRC. I'm not not on -devel, there is > way too much traffic there. Why cant the CFV be CC:'ed to -private or > something?

[stevegr@debian.org: Re: [PROPOSED] Swap the "open" and "official" versions of the new logo]

1999-06-04 Thread Steve Greenland
t the swirl thing (although I like it otherwise): that the official was simpler than the un-official -- it just didn't click for me mentally. Steve Greenland