On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 09:44:16AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>For the jessie release, all software that currently supports being run
>under sysvinit should continue to support sysvinit unless there is no
>technically feasible way to do so.
I believe "currently" needs to be clarified
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 06, 2014 at 02:23:39PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> I'd like to call for votes on the code of conduct GR.
Just a question - the CoC we are voting on is the one from
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/02/msg2.html or which one
is it? Were any of the numerous objectio
Hi Arnold,
On Mon, Mar 03, 2014 at 07:33:21AM -0800, Arnold Bird wrote:
> What this
> discussion proves is that debian needs to be forked.The
> systemd/gnome/redhat camp constantly derideds the idea that Linux is
> about freedom and choice.(I've been around for awhile, freedom and choice
> use
Hi,
On Sat, Mar 01, 2014 at 11:17:12AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> I'm very wary about passing resolutions which require work from future
> persons unidentified. Presumeably it would need a person who is a) keen
> on the desktop system in question and also b) keen on a particular init
> system w
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:57:41PM +0100, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> May be some content could be moved to collaborative media, bts, etc
> May be some "I am doing something" post could be turned into a news
> May be that allowing comments should be a best practice
"A corporate blog is jus
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 03:47:53PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> In fact, if you think about it, the proposal of a DPL board / 2IC just
> gives a formal status to something that should be normal,
> i.e. interaction among DPL and people knowledgeable/competent on
> specific topics/tasks.
FWIW
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:07:33PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Any thoughts? We could have such a vote over and done in about two
> weeks, with the DPL's consent, and it'd seem a lot more inclusive and
> less cabal-tastic than how things seem to be working atm...
I think it is a bad idea, given
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 08:03:46PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> I'd also like to complain about the title text of the initial GR. It is
> clearly manipulative, as it pretends to be merely describing the proposed
> changes when in fact it is asserting an opinion. I hope the Secretary
> will fix t
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
> the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
It has to be said that at least I am taking YOU personally responsable
for a lot of wh
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:44:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 15:27 +0100, Michael Banck a écrit :
> > > How about ???Software that is not executed on the host CPU??? ? That can
> > > include e.g. non-free documentation, which clearly do
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 03:24:25PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 13:07 +0100, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
> > The idea is to create a new section that contains files like
> > firmware images and FPGA data that gets written to the hardware
> > to make it fully functional. I
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:00:26PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:44:11AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > As to the people who emailed me that they are putting together a
> > > petition for the DAM to have me removed from the project, I hear you
> > > to
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 04:35:04AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> Anyway, we all know Ubuntu is just a crappy overlay on top of Sid,
> bundled with proprietary blobs.
Please keep your opinion on off-topic matters to yourself or voice them
elsewhere. This list is bad enough to read as is right now
Hi Ean,
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 05:35:20PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
[...]
Why the heck did you post this to -vote?
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On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:12:18PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18 2008, Luk Claes wrote:
>
>
> > Note that firmware is no program AFAICS...
>
> I do not think I agree. I think it is indeed a software program,
> and I am not alone:
> ,[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:44:45AM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> A desktop with a "host cpu" and components with "firmware" is directly
> analogous to a small cluster of computers. There is no *real*
> difference between a host programming its RAID controller and a
> cluster manager handing a blad
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:05:42PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> The difference being that the former is being resolved with a
> license change, and the latter is being resolved with code changes, and
> will require adjustments to the infrastructure. That makes the former
> a faster
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 09:57:15AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:48:28 +1100, Anthony Towns
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> >3. When there are 8 members, the Project Leader may appoint any
> > Developer to the Technical Committee replacing the longest
> >
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:32:15PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 12:18:33PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> > >
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:10:14AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Because I would seek one that mandates listmasters banning Sven Luther
> >from all lists, and DAMs expelling for ban-evasion. I realise that
> there is a way for it to continue after that, but hopefully it wouldn't.
Did you (or somebody el
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 02:52:32PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 05 mars 2007 à 14:52 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit :
> > Criticise, yes. Mock, no.
>
> If I understand your opinion, Greg Folkert's way of criticising people
> is acceptable, while Sam's is not. Is that correct?
Greg isn'
On Fri, Feb 09, 2007 at 04:33:14PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> * security (I _really_ think it's nonsense, as it's not less secure
> than the usual DD's uploads, which I tried to prove) ;
Maybe "security" in this context means "build can be reproduced by our
official buildd network and w
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 12:05:39AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
> Again, the question is: is this organisation sufficiently "outside"
> of Debian when the DPL is intimately involved. In my opinion, the
> answer is obviously no, meaning that this quarantine will not work
> and as a result may badly
Hrm, maybe this thread should move elsewhere.
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 05:35:00AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Eduard Bloch]
> > > . Ship a separate non-free CD.
> >
> > >* Does bad things to our CD/DVD disk space requirements.
> >
> > How? Basedebs take about 40MB. I think t
On Thu, Aug 24, 2006 at 08:30:23AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> he doesn't use the leader@ address even on issues related to his DPL role, as
> i well know, so this is no guarantee.
AFAICT, he always signs those mails with DPL in the signature. Plus, at
least in this thread, he did use [EMAIL PROT
I believe this should be voted on and second the below proposal.
On Tue, Aug 22, 2006 at 03:18:04PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> The application of DFSG#2 to firmware and other data
>
>
> The Debian Project recognizes that a
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:22:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> (1) Did you join the (proposed) DPL team as an endorsement of the
> candidate or the team concept, or because it seemed the best opportunity
> for you to assist Debian in the event that candidate was elected?
I think Jeroen has
> I'm thinking of something like
> http://people.debian.org/~mjr/gr-fdl.txt (24k, only based on originals)
Uhm, this is a joke, right?
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> This requirement is extremly costly for anyone attempting to
> distribute Sarge either as a mirror or as an ISO image.
Can you point to testimony of people actually hindered by this?
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fixed (yet?) and ignoring them for one more
release.
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> fashion.If there's a desire for that, just get in touch with me.
Thanks for your offer. Mako Hill and Don Armstrong have been talking to
the FSF in that matter for some time now, I suggest you contact them
first to discuss whether this is likely to be of good use.
cheers,
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be at least as productive without
them.
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points and a ranking of #30.
>
> Interesting, but missing any measure of whether I'm being
> kissed or kicked. Can you cross-reference the stories?
The cabal recognizes its peers.
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On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 04:39:57PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 10:20:40PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader
> wrote:
> > I am pursuing it. I posted the three items which are currently
> > stopping the amd64 port to be added to the archive, and I'm in active
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 05:41:25PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> It is not abuse of the process for the project as a whole to decide
> that it disagrees with a decision that some part of the project has
> made.
Except there is no decision any part of the project made, contrary to
popular believe. So
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:27:01PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:22:01PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > I fail to understand how you still don't get it. multiarch *is*
> > 64/32bit userland. Is there something you don't understand about that?
> What I really want is LSB
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:24:26PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:09:46PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> > Those funcs may be available through ia32-libs... I was actually
> > wondering more about specific programs.
>
> The no-cost linux downloads from kx.com and jsoftware.
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 02:26:28AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> >[...] or could see someone in the queue whom he knows to be
> >competent and valuable and would want to process first.
>
> Is queue-jumping desirable? It really sucks to see people (with
> questionable philosophies expressed on lists) gett
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 03:26:13PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> 1) Should amd64 support biarch as an interim before multiarch support
> is in place?
> 2) What's the best way to support the change in library directory
> that is involved here?
This second one is the only open quest
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 06:45:59PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> If so, which part of "I'm talking about 64/32 bit userland -- which
> is something other distributions already offer." or "That's not vapor"
> are you having problems with?
The part about 'other distributions' and the fact that this is
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 04:43:39PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > Fact of life: multiarch is vapour and will not be usable for quite a
> > while.
>
> I'm talking about 64/32 bit userland -- which is something other
> distributions already offer.
>
> That's not vapor.
I haven't seen you post one
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 03:54:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote:
> Really nice, but I already knew that. Now can you tell me what
> prevents FIFO processing?
Are you processing all of your bugs in a FIFO fashion?
I don't.
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> * Raul Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > In other words, that the only thing we're talking about is distribution
> > of binaries built from sarge sources?
>
> Make it a release architecture which will move those bugs to RC and gi
On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:19:55AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> Well, no, but i believe that new kernel release handling deserve it too,
> and not this almost a month if not more wait from upload to NEW queue
> handling we are currently seing. And i have sent a non-flame mail to
> ftp-masters, propo
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 12:28:28PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 12:02:03PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:23:44AM +0200, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> > > > I strongly suspect there are many others in Debian who also hav
On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:23:44AM +0200, Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> > I strongly suspect there are many others in Debian who also have no
> > problems communicating with James.
> And there are many others that actually have those problems and I don't
> think it's their fault, when James can't dif
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 07:12:19PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> Of the people that I have heard comment about James he seems to be
> quite easy to talk to if you have met him in person but otherwise is
> nearly impossible to even get him to respond at all. I am pretty sure
> you fall into the first
l that has happened. I at least would prefer to avoid a GR if the
> Technical Committee's opinion permits.
With all due respect, but waiting for the tech-ctte in order to *speed
up* the release of Sarge looks like a flakey plan to me, given the
committee's track record in the last cou
t I will not.
Well, fair enough then. So that basically means we are waiting for the
-ctte, right?
Do we get a release update on the technical matters at least? I've no
idea what's going on WRT sarge at the moment. If the -ctte is the only
thing we are waiting for, what's the statu
t; > period of tim.
>
> I didn't see anything that made this obvious -- can you explain to me
> the basis for this assumption?
"common sense".
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27;s just try it out. Three's a charm anyway, right?
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> Michael Banck wrote:
> > In contrast, having the possibilty to modify $APPLICATION's stock
> > 'File->Open' icon in its native form, i.e. gimp layers or whatever seems
> > to be of less im
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> Michael Banck wrote:
> > In contrast, having the possibilty to modify $APPLICATION's stock
> > 'File->Open' icon in its native form, i.e. gimp layers or whatever seems
> > to be of less im
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reat. I've just got one question: Have you considered merging the
essence of this document into the constitution? This would save us from
adding another foundation document, but it might enlarge the
constitution somewhat depending on how terse we could formulate this.
thanks,
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reat. I've just got one question: Have you considered merging the
essence of this document into the constitution? This would save us from
adding another foundation document, but it might enlarge the
constitution somewhat depending on how terse we could formulate this.
thanks,
Michael
worked on by the time. This
declaration could be accompanied by the policy freeze or whatever other
the devices the RM will have at his fingertips at that time.
This would make it more reliable for everybody to judge the implications
of the changes, and lift off the burden of decision after a vote off the
shoulders of the Release Manager.
What do you all think of this?
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be independant of
it. Also, it should be stripped of all personal and only presently
applicable texts, like the references to Raul, Joey and Sarge.
regards,
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worked on by the time. This
declaration could be accompanied by the policy freeze or whatever other
the devices the RM will have at his fingertips at that time.
This would make it more reliable for everybody to judge the implications
of the changes, and lift off the burden of decision after a vote
be independant of
it. Also, it should be stripped of all personal and only presently
applicable texts, like the references to Raul, Joey and Sarge.
regards,
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uck you want to
have as a decision from us to get going.
For instance, I'd like to know what you think about the proposed GRs,
especially Kamion's.
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uck you want to
have as a decision from us to get going.
For instance, I'd like to know what you think about the proposed GRs,
especially Kamion's.
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array of bits will (i) improve our distribution, (ii) improve
the Free Software community and (iii) do not impose unreasonable
restriction on the aggregated package.
I'm not sure whether the other developers think alike and if so, whether
we should clarify on this or whether that is the standa
array of bits will (i) improve our distribution, (ii) improve
the Free Software community and (iii) do not impose unreasonable
restriction on the aggregated package.
I'm not sure whether the other developers think alike and if so, whether
we should clarify on this or whether that is the standa
ussions.
For example, people say that our logo was non-free.
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ussions.
For example, people say that our logo was non-free.
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t meet this standard in those areas, we promise to rectify this in
> the next full release.
>
> 2. that the paragraph added to the Social Contract by this Resolution
> shall be removed from the Social Contract upon the next full release
> of Debian after Debian 3.1 (codena
t meet this standard in those areas, we promise to rectify this in
> the next full release.
>
> 2. that the paragraph added to the Social Contract by this Resolution
> shall be removed from the Social Contract upon the next full release
> of Debian after Debian 3.1 (codena
the release manager who gets most say in this one.
Which is why I hope AJ will speak up on this soon.
AJ, could you perhaps comment on the proposed GRs or just state what
your preferred way of action would be in order to not delay the sarge
release?
thanks,
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(Shuffling around the text due to l33t rhetorical abilities...)
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:49:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:58:49PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Thus, I would prefer a more general GR which states roughly the
> > following:
>
the release manager who gets most say in this one.
Which is why I hope AJ will speak up on this soon.
AJ, could you perhaps comment on the proposed GRs or just state what
your preferred way of action would be in order to not delay the sarge
release?
thanks,
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Debian. However, the developers are being urged to implement
these changes in the currently developed release, if possible."
We should add some syntactic sugar to make it retroactively applicable
to the last GR, of course.
Michael
PS: In any event, I'd appreciate it if AJ would speak
(Shuffling around the text due to l33t rhetorical abilities...)
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:49:32PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 06:58:49PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Thus, I would prefer a more general GR which states roughly the
> > following:
>
Debian. However, the developers are being urged to implement
these changes in the currently developed release, if possible."
We should add some syntactic sugar to make it retroactively applicable
to the last GR, of course.
Michael
PS: In any event, I'd appreciate it if AJ would speak
y. The current version of glibc on hurd-i386 is 2.3.1-5 which is
not so recent alltogether. Further, the glibc package does not even have
a versioned Build-Depends on libc6-dev)
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y. The current version of glibc on hurd-i386 is 2.3.1-5 which is
not so recent alltogether. Further, the glibc package does not even have
a versioned Build-Depends on libc6-dev)
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ity that without the sarge exception
> we wouldn't be able to distribute glibc (or maybe any of the GPL licensed
> parts of the tool chain) in its current form.
Huh??? This procedure is called bootstrapping...
I don't believe this is related to the issue in any way and just dilutes
your (valid, IMHO) point above.
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satisfactory way, this is probably not true for the rest of the GNU
packages.
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ity that without the sarge exception
> we wouldn't be able to distribute glibc (or maybe any of the GPL licensed
> parts of the tool chain) in its current form.
Huh??? This procedure is called bootstrapping...
I don't believe this is related to the issue in any way and just dilutes
yo
satisfactory way, this is probably not true for the rest of the GNU
packages.
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horribly formatted) position statement:
"The GNU FDL, as it stands today, does not meet the Debian Free Software
Guidelines. There are significant problems with the license, as detailed
above; and, as such, we cannot accept works licensed unde the GNU FDL
into our distribution."
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> by any desperate means possible?
Nathanael is not even in the NM-queue and thus was not eligible to vote,
so please don't confuse him with the rest of us bigots, mmkay? ;)
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nue the "discussion",
> by any desperate means possible?
Nathanael is not even in the NM-queue and thus was not eligible to vote,
so please don't confuse him with the rest of us bigots, mmkay? ;)
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:27:58AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> I think my comment was actually appropriate and to-the-point.
I beg to differ, but *shrug*
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So either drop your usual insults or drop -vote from your mailbox.
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:27:58AM -0500, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> I think my comment was actually appropriate and to-the-point.
I beg to differ, but *shrug*
Michael
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So either drop your usual insults or drop -vote from your mailbox.
Thanks,
Michael
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amendments can
still be formulated, but there's no need to clutter the ballot without
need, in my humble opinion.
Michael
PS: I'm all for pulling the 'you should have made your own amendment'
card for people who don't like the ballot *after* the vote has started ;)
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amendments can
still be formulated, but there's no need to clutter the ballot without
need, in my humble opinion.
Michael
PS: I'm all for pulling the 'you should have made your own amendment'
card for people who don't like the ballot *after* the vote has started ;)
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r most users. In contrast, by far the most
important ones are the binary-only drivers nowadays.
non-free has changed. I don't see why Debian should not reevaluate its
support.
Well, we did, and we agreed to support non-free for the time being, so I
don't understand why you're making such a fuss about it.
Michael
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r most users. In contrast, by far the most
important ones are the binary-only drivers nowadays.
non-free has changed. I don't see why Debian should not reevaluate its
support.
Well, we did, and we agreed to support non-free for the time being, so I
don't understand why you're makin
r questions and concerns
> - if there are strong concerns, the proposal goes back to the discussion
> phase to figure out how to address the concerns in the proposal
> - those taking part have the option to agree, stand aside, or block
You should subscribe to -devel then.
Michael
r questions and concerns
> - if there are strong concerns, the proposal goes back to the discussion
> phase to figure out how to address the concerns in the proposal
> - those taking part have the option to agree, stand aside, or block
You should subscribe to -devel then.
Michael
; > incomplete information, the possibility of getting relevant
> > > information ought not to be dismissed.
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:59:48PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > In that case I wonder why no rebuttals were posted and why the IRC
> > debate was ca
that I have to make a decision in the face of
> incomplete information, the possibility of getting relevant
> information ought not to be dismissed.
In that case I wonder why no rebuttals were posted and why the IRC
debate was called off, if obviously there is more need for information
and
; > incomplete information, the possibility of getting relevant
> > > information ought not to be dismissed.
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 07:59:48PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > In that case I wonder why no rebuttals were posted and why the IRC
> > debate was ca
has arisen that would
lead to a change in their opinion.
After all, it's called 'campaigning period' and 'voting period'. Not
'some campaigning' and 'more campaigning, and also voting'.
Michael
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