Re: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-25 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Charles! You wrote: > - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the > debian-devel-announce >mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer >Status"; > > - Given the importance of defining how the Project accepts new members; > > - Because of the str

Re: Call for seconds: Revised ballot

2008-10-25 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:31:29PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:37:52PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Nevertheless I would merge it in my proposal if you still want me to. > > If we must have a GR, I would feel better with these options on > > the ballot

Re: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 10:10:55AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the > debian-devel-announce >mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer >Status"; > > - Give

Call for seconds: Revised ballot

2008-10-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:37:52PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Nevertheless I would merge it in my proposal if you still want me to. > > If we must have a GR, I would feel better with these options on > the ballot. Okay then. Here's the new ballot including your proposed options.

Re: Proposed amendment: Resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:46:47AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 06:40:14PM +0200, Thomas Viehmann wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I propose to amend the Robert's resolution by adding the following choice > >--- > >The Debian project, recognizing that bugs do not fix themselve

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Robert Millan
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 02:36:06PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > we'll be more likely to be push many of them towards installing > other (even less free) systems instead. Is there a reason why those interested in supporting blob-dependant hardware can't make a release that includes those blobs?

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Jeff Carr wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 22:22, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>It should not take us an indefinite time to release with >> firmware blobs gone. I'll stake my reutation that the period involved >> is not indefinite, and there is a up

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Agreed, if we can make a dent in the non-free stuff in a reasonably > short period. Then it'll work fine. If we delay too long, then we'll > leave many of our users in their (current) worse situation and (even > worse) we'll be more likely to be push m

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Jeff Carr
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 22:22, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >It should not take us an indefinite time to release with > firmware blobs gone. I'll stake my reutation that the period involved > is not indefinite, and there is a upper boundary to it. > >Testing out th

Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:07:06AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> There's also the argument that the sooner we release Lenny with the >> improvements that *have* been made, the sooner the people using stable >> will be able to move away from whatever

Re: Call for seconds: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.

2008-10-25 Thread MJ Ray
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles Plessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Following the announcement of the 22nd of October on the > debian-devel-announce >mailing list (Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) about "Developer >Status"; > > - Given the importance of defining

Re: Call for seconds: Resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-25 Thread Joey Schulze
Robert Millan wrote: > > I hereby propose the following General Resolution to stablish a procedure > for resolving DFSG violations: I believe that the Debian project is way better off without this General Resolution and with the rules and social contract as they are to date. Even worse, I have t