On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 1:36 PM, der.hans wrote:
> Am 25. Nov, 2012 schwätzte Carl Fink so:
>
>> I don't mean Android, a proprietary OS build on the Linux kernel just as
>> MacOS is built on the BSD kernel.
>
> Is it proprietary? Isn't Cyanogenmod an android rebuild because android is
> FOSS? Ther
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Carl Fink wrote:
> Yury Sakarinen wrote:
>> Carl Fink писал 2012-11-26 16:03:
>>>
>>> I am not a developer, the target market.
>>
>> ahhaha, wrong list to ask questions..
>
> Actually this is "Debian User".
So it's the wrong list since Debian doesn't publish a p
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>
> I need a boot loader for Linux, that is comfortable to use for my needs,
> a Linux multi-boot with
> trillions of Linux installs,
> trillions ^ 2 kernels and
> (trillions ^ 2) * 1024 entries with different boot options, so something
> as GRU
Please take this nonsense elsewhere! Thanks.
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
>
> When Upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze I run into trouble because NFS wanted
> to mount before Bind was running. legacy-bootordering fixed this for me.
You can use an insserv override to add
Should-Start: $named
Should-Stop: $named
to t
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Alan Chandler
wrote:
>
> I am trying to install virt-manager on sid, but I am getting a dependancy
> blockage which I don't understand
>
> virt-manager ultimately depends on libvirt0 - which seems to have version
> (0.9.12-5) in the sid repository
>
> libvirt0 dep
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Pierre Frenkiel
wrote:
>
> today, I tried to upgrade from squeeze to wheezzy:
> - in source.list, I only left:
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free
>
> - then, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
> up to now, no problem, a lot of pa
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:55:22AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install
>> In Section B.4.7 says
>> "The examples below only provide basic information on the use of
>> recipes. For detailed in
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Pierre Frenkiel
wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2012, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>
>> What is output of:
>>
>> apt-cache policy udev
>
>
>udev:
> Installed: 164-3
> Candidate: 175-7
> Version table:
> 175-7 0
>500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org/
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
>
> apt-get update
> apt-get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae udev grub apt dpkg
I'd start with just the kernel and udev, possibly separately.
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On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> You can use an insserv override to add
>> Should-Start: $named
>> Should-Stop: $named
>> to the nfs-kernel-server LSB headers to ensure that bind starts before
>> nfs.
&g
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Rob van der Putten wrote:
>
> I just found out:
> Without .legacy-bootordering asterisk won't start.
Do the logs say why? If not, check how the scripts are numbered with
and without legacy ordering to figure out what asterisk's
"Require
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Rob van der Putten wrote:
>> Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> Why a circular dependency? You're adding it to nfs-kernel-server not
>>> to bind9.
>>
>> '$remote_fs' confused me. '/
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> AFAIUI, "$remote_fs" being "Required-Start" for bind9 means that nfs
>> volumes have to be mounted for bind9 to be started not that
>> nfs-kernel-server's shares hav
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Ma, 04 dec 12, 21:25:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>> Though I might be classed as a *nix newbie, I've been doing a series
>> of manual "expert installs" with the eventual goal of determining
>> what *I* might want in a preseed.cfg file fo
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Marcus Blumhagen
wrote:
> Please CC me on reply, since I am not subscribed to the list.
I consider rude not to subscribe to a list asking for help - but
that's just me...
> just recently I was faced with a non-booting remote box running Debian 6.0
> (Squeeze).
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Ma, 04 dec 12, 21:25:08, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>> If my initial logon is followed by [ su password apt-get
>>> install gdm gedit gnome-terminal] a reboot dumps me at a root
>>> terminal screen with apparentl
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Mi, 05 dec 12, 04:46:21, Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like something is missing.
>>
>> Would installing gdm in a minimal install pull in X and GNOME?
>
> IIRC it does pull in a minimal Gnome, but on
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Marcus Blumhagen
wrote:
> Am 05.12.2012 17:01, schrieb Tom H:
>>
>> Since you're using grub-legacy and might be using update-grub and the
>> "DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" system, make sure that "groot" in
>> &
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Steve wrote:
> Carlos Mennens gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> What is the deal now with 'restarting' networking services in Debian 5
>> & Squeeze? I use to be able to run the command:
>>
>> /etc/init.d/networking restart
>>
>> Now when I do so in Debian, I get a strange e
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:34:54 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Lisi Reisz
>> wrote:
>>> On Sunday 22 June 2014 01:31:50 Steve Litt wrote:
>>>> The whole reason I'm switchin
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 27 Jun 2014 at 13:40:48 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:34:54 -0400
>> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> functional, graphical boots, framebuffer boots, enforced GUI login just
>> get in the way.
>&g
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:20:02 PM UTC+5:30, Brian wrote:
>> On Sat 28 Jun 2014 at 09:00:30 +0200, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
>>> On Saturday 28 June 2014 05.55:39 Rusi Mody wrote:
PS. No I am not defending grub2 -- I find its document
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
>
> There used to be a grub wiki: grub.enbug.org. The link is now dead.
>
> It can however still be found in the webarchive:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20100819173835/http://grub.enbug.org/FrontPage
The grub manual that I posted earlier was so
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:24:41 +0200
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>
>> Otherwise, if you do not like grub, there are other boot loaders.
>> LILO at least works fine, and seems to be ok for your requirements: a
>> single easy text file
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 13:42:51 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Removing "splash" disables the bootsplash but it doesn't disable
>> plymouth. With upstart, plymouth is the interface for fscking or
>> decrypting a
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 14:05:10 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
>>>
>>> I use the grub command configfile (also multiboot).
>>> What do they do? Where are they documented?
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 3:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Mon 30 Jun 2014 at 14:05:10 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Rusi Mody wro
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:
>
> I don't think user is valid for nfs mounts. The user flag is usually
> for local media. In any case it isn't in the list for nfs mount
> options. Also neither is auto. Same with _netdev. Personally I am
> only using "async" and nothing mor
On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 1:02 PM, François Patte
wrote:
> Le 04/07/2014 16:12, Lisi Reisz a écrit :
>> On Friday 04 July 2014 14:42:47 Stephen Powell wrote:
>>>
>>> Since you are trying to install a 3.14 kernel from backports, I
>>> assume that you are running wheezy. You need to install the
>>> in
Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this
nonsense simultaneously?
Why are you doing so from a Windows system if you're such a Linux
"traditionalist"?
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Balint wrote:
> http://ewontfix.com/15/
> http://ewontfix.com/14/
>
> Just read them and p
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> I think it's because they believe, rightly or wrongly, that you're the
> same person that came on here before with all sorts of anti-systemd
> yelling, not to express an opinion, but to start trouble. If their
> belief is wrong, you were treated
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 05/07/2014 20:50, B a écrit :
>>
>> I just made a re-installation on my last laptop and it
>> installed by itself when upgrading to sid.
>> AFAICS, it is really fast; now, we'll see what problem
>> will be raised in the future… (hoping it
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Ron Leach wrote:
>
> We have a RAID1 server running Lenny, one of whose two 2TB discs comprising
> the RAID arrays has failed. The discs were partitioned into 8 partitions
> during the Debian Lenny installation, and separate RAID1 arrays were built
> on 7 of those p
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM, B wrote:
>
> Apparently, this is very easy:
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12986/how-to-copy-the-partition-layout-of-a-whole-disk-using-standard-tools
You can't uses sfdisk with gpt disks.
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On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:53 PM, B wrote:
> Rahhh, read too fast, former was for non-GPT, here's
> one good pgm that does the trick (also exist as a pkg
> in trudububu):
> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/19047/how-can-i-quickly-copy-a-gpt-partition-scheme-from-one-hard-drive-to-another
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-05 20:25 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>> Then there was
>> that upstart thing: a little more convoluted, but still somewhat
>> conformant to the Unix Philosophy. Now comes systemd, which, from what
>> I've heard, is a further step away
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Balint wrote:
> On 05/07/2014 18:14, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this
>> nonsense simultaneously?
>
> because I use Debian and Fedora as well.
>>
>>
>> Why are you do
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
>
> for some reason i need to assign an additional IP to My LAN. which i did
> from Gnome-network-manager but ipconfig doesn't show the new IP, i even
> "server networking restart" which didnt help. i dont want to restart my
> computer fo
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/06/2014 09:54 AM, Martin Read wrote:
>> On 06/07/14 00:10, The Wanderer wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you run logind without systemd or journald?
>>
>> If you have something else that provides the systemd interfaces
>> logind depends on, you can ru
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:20 AM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> for some reason i need to assign an additional IP to My LAN. which i did
&
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 7/7/2014 4:47 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Balint wrote:
>>> On 05/07/2014 18:14, Tom H wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why are you trolling both the Debian and Fedora lists with this
>
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Miroslav Hrabal wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:03:53 +0300
> Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>>
>> Change is difficult and there will be problems. On the other hand
>> systemd is used by a lot of distros already and the alternatives either
>> bitrot (sysv-init) or aren't rea
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 16:03:31 +0200
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>
>> I forgot that systemd is able to "spy" processes it starts, IIRC, to
>> avoid tricks like the double fork, which means a better control on
>> zombie processes. Don't
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Allen
wrote:
>
> For some time these bugs have existed in SID:
>
> critical bugs of grub-pc-bin (2.00-22 → 2.02~beta2-10)
> #741464 - grub-pc-bin: hangs after displaying boot menu
This one was against 2.02~beta2-7 in experimental.
You should let the deve
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 5:42 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>
>>> What's wrong with that? I also have to use Windows, even when I'm
>>> working on Lin
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:55:15 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
FTR, since you seem to have misunderstood, I copied and pasted someone
else's comments on OpenRC.
>> If we're going to the effort of
>> replacing init syst
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:07 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:57:51 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Steve Litt
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 16:03:31 +0200
>>> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>>
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 6:41 AM, Martin Read wrote:
>
> Do the programs you launch need to outlive your session? If so, your
> launcher program's design will run into problems in a systemd world.
loginctl has an "enable-linger" setting for this for a logged in and
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-09 08:59 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Stephen Allen
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For some time these bugs have existed in SID:
>>>
>>> critical bugs of grub-pc-bi
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-09 19:43 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>> On 2014-07-09 08:59 +0200, Tom H wrote:
>>>> This one was against 2.02~beta2-7 in experimental.
>>&g
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:49:12 +0800 Bret Busby
> napísal:
>> On 09/07/2014, B wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, sorry to hijack a bit this thread, but what could
>>> be the advantages to use UEFI (I just have Debian on my
>>> laptop and disabled it from ancie
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 7:24 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Yeah, you read the subject right. Let me explain...
>
> Debian (Wheezy 7.5) is the first distro I've seen where this happens.
> You reboot, and eth0 doesn't work and neither does lo. It's
> intermittent enough I can't give you an exact reprodu
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little
>> voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the
>> decision to go to systemd had been the decisi
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little
>> voice. The little voice told me that if they guys who controlled the
>> decision to go to systemd had been the decisi
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Brian wrote:
>>> On Fri 11 Jul 2014 at 12:21:57 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>>>> A bizarre thought just popped into my head, in the form of a little
>>>
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:47 PM, B wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 22:34:18 +0400
> Reco wrote:
>>
>> This is … an expected behaviour from any GTK+3 application launched
>> outside of GNOME. Googling 'GTK3 client-side decorations' will
>> provide you with all the gory details.
>
> That was my co
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:29:23 +0200 Sven Joachim wrote:
>> On 2014-07-18 17:21 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>>> The other thing is, a lot of people thought the current init system
>>> was working just fine.
>>
>> They should read the mail[1] by o
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2014-07-19 00:22 +0200, Steve Litt wrote:
>>
>> And finally, note that the guy's email doesn't specifically recommend
>> systemd, and as a matter of fact seems to gravitate toward upstart,
>
> This is quite easily explained by the fact that
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Vi, 18 iul 14, 00:51:41, Gábor Hársfalvi wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't update to Wheezy - because I waiting for Jessy.
>
> Unless you want to reinstall from scratch skipping a release is not
> supported.
This was discussed on debian-devel@. I
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:00 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> I suspect it may be the principle which I've been turning over in my
> mind lately, and which I think would be expressed as:
>
> "No functionality which anything not part of the init system might
> legitimately want to depend on should be im
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 18/07/2014 18:44, Brian a écrit :
>>
>> I have no testing install to hand at the moment so perhaps you could
>> list these packages for us. Please indicate the ones for which there
>> is no "real need".
>
> Explain why systemd is needed for
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 19 July 2014 23:34:28 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> To the OP: can't you install a supported and more recent chrome from
>> google.com?
>
> Not on Squeeze. You have to update to at least Wheezy.
Thanks. I a
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those
>> who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was
>> decided a
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
> 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely,
> this is very annoying
On Fedora, v208 introduced "slice" units and I (and many others) had a
problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking a long time
to s
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim
> napísal:
>> On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote:
>>
>>> Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd.
>>
>> The alternative (on which policykit-1 depends on kfreebsd-*) is
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>
> systemd-shim is no more an option in testing.
This is temporary. It's dependent on cgmanager being added to the archives.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU
>> wrote:
>>> On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This was discussed on debian-dev
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 07:30:40 schrieb Erwan David:
>
> Still… also hibernate and suspend with KDE is currently broken with sysvinit-
> core. And systemd 208 just doesn´t boot my workstation at work, while it works
> nicely with my l
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
>> On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote:
>>> Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another
>>> language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts but they u
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 wrote:
>>>
>>> Booting is fast
>>
>> That's one of the development goals.
>
> I switched to
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>
> libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)...
You must be skipping emails in this thread.
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:35 AM, David Baron wrote:
> On Monday 21 July 2014 08:45:12 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org
> wrote:
>>
>> (Using "init=/sbin/init" on the kernel cmdline will boot systemd if
>> you have systemd-sysv installed.)
>
> More and more complicated, huh?
> Will this
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:01 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>>> 2) You have a specific syntax, and a specific semantics (what does
>>> ExecStart, WantedBy, etc mean), that one must learn in order to simply
>>> read this. The namles of the sections are also meaningfull. All this
>>> defines a full fledge
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM, wrote:
> Le 21.07.2014 15:31, Slavko a écrit :
>>
>> it seems, that there can good idea to provide separate ML for testing
>> users.
>
> I agree, since testing is not for normal users (well... theoretically at
> least), so we could imagine that different MLs for
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:37:40 -0400 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> There's already been one thread about this on debian-devel@ and it was
>> a typical thread where the pro and con make their points but no
>> decision's reache
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
>
> Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm
> looking down the road a year and planning what I will use in production when
> my current system is ready for upgrade. It's looking less and less like
> Debian,
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, David Guntner wrote:
> Tom H grabbed a keyboard and wrote:
>>
>> There is one
>>
>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/
>>
>> but a quick look at the its archives shows that it isn't a heavily
>> used li
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H said:
>>>> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production.
>>> I'm
>>> looking do
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which
>>> does not mean same thing w
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl
> said:
>> Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David:
>>> Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit :
Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer:
> As far as I can see, there
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
>
> All this, of course, assumes the OP doesn't want to use the previously
> mentioned suggestion of "aptitude purge '~c'". And that's fair enough;
> aptitude is not to everyone's taste.
If you'd rather not use aptitude to purge packages, you
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie
> napísal:
>>
>> You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms
>> where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything
>> "mission critical", that's what stable
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR
wrote:
>
> I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64.
> The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted!
> (by against my eth0 interface is mounted!)
>
> I have to mount routes, and are not:
>
> post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Gregory Seidman
wrote:
>
> I'm on stable, but I'm reading the threads about systemd and I want to be
> prepared for the next stable release. I run a RAID1 with an encryption loop
> and LVM on top of that for my home directories and a number of data volumes
> (i.e.
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
>
> When mounting a tmpfs on /tmp systemd sets 'strictatime'. I was
> wondering whether this is really needed. Does anybody know of software
> that would break with 'relatime' (the default) or even 'noatime'?
>
> I'd be happy to RTFM if anybod
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Tom H a écrit :
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0
>>
>> your "route ..." syntax looks wrong to me.
>
&
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko wrote:
>>> Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie
>>> napísal:
>>>>
>>>> You are, of course,
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Jo, 31 iul 14, 20:13:23, JPT wrote:
>>
>> my self built system is dead because systemd installer does not check if
>> control groups are enabled BEFORE upgrading the package.
>>
>> Could someone take care so the installer checks current k
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:10:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rusi Mody wrote:
>>
>> After some recent upgrades (this is on jessie)
>> auto starting of ppp has stopped working.
>>
>> So every time after booting I now have to run pppoeconf.
>
> Some progress...
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:32:08PM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
>>
>> So now the question is:
>>
>> What is the 'modern' way of automatically doing 'modprobe pppoe'
>> at boot/ifup time?
>>
>> Evidently something has changed that has made that st
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
>
> I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled
> Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x.
>
> With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta)
> running on Debian 6, I went to the Skype web site
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
>
> There must be an alternative to Skype.
>
> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fed-up-with-skype-here-are-6-of-the-best-free-alternatives/
In theory but not in practice - unless you want to use one of the
above and talk to yourself.
--
To UN
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>> In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are
>>> limits. And that was not the way to have
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:59 AM, David Baron wrote:
>
> Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was simply not
> quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play.
>
> The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own partition/filesystem. So
> what gives?
>
> Is it
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote:
>> On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
>>> Brian wrote:
With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages
to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for the
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Chris Bannister
wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report?
Please don't top-post.
Probably because it's a debian-user@ thread that resulted in the the
bug report and we were added to the cc as a (thoughtful) courtesy.
-
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
>
> if [ -f /etc/inittab ]; then
> if grep -q '^1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty' /etc/inittab; then
> log "Fixing getty --noclear in /etc/inittab"
> sed --in-place '/^1/s/getty 38400/getty --noclear 38400/' /etc/initt
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> My own view is "why systemd" fix sysinit instead, where it is
> broken or rather the packages [whatever they are] that don't work properly.
Who should fix sysvinit? The upstream sysvinit developers are DDs and
they didn't do it (I'm
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