Re: How to comment out lines in /etc/apt/preferences?

2003-01-23 Thread Ron Johnson
s works for me... -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | &qu

Re: firebird database on debian

2003-01-23 Thread Ron Johnson
ython2.1-kinterbasdb - InterBase/Firebird support for Python python2.2-kinterbasdb - InterBase/Firebird support for Python python-kinterbasdb - InterBase/Firebird support for Python -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Can't upgrade from slink to woody!

2003-01-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 10:36, Pigeon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:17:22AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 14:41, Pigeon wrote: [snip] > What a shame that such a useful program has undergone no development > since 1999. What does everyone do - use 80x25, use

Re: Oh no, what a really heavy bummer

2003-01-23 Thread Ron Johnson
automates it even more. I like the 2 step process, though... -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | |

Re: Activate SoundBlaster IDE interface

2003-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
that interface hasn't changed in many, many moons, why not try the suggestions for the old kernels? -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |

Re: debian woody beside suse

2003-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
same on both machines, then I see nothing wrong w/ sharing /home between systems. > And the second concern I have is the configuration of the boot manager, > will debian show up with suse linux as choice when starting up? -- +-------+

Re: Memory usage after upgrade

2003-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
has to do with the x86 archetecture. Data above 1GB must be moved down below 1GB for certain IO operations. If you have less than 1GB RAM, that code path need not be taken, so the system is optimised for people who have less than 1GB RAM. -- +--------

Re: Debian Proxy

2003-01-24 Thread Ron Johnson
rying to get away from using my Win2k workstation as a proxy server(I am > currently using Proxy+). Hi, Chuck. What are you using the Proxy for? Connection sharing, or http caching? -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mai

Re: debian woody beside suse

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 16:38, David Dumortier wrote: > Hello > > get W$ and try !!! WordStar -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.

Re: Memory usage after upgrade

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 15:34, Matthew Daubenspeck wrote: > On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 02:24:37PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Looks like it only sees 1GB RAM. What you have to do is recompile > > the kernel to enable these options: > > CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G > > CONFIG_HIGHM

Re: Oh no, what a really heavy bummer

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 23:43, Rob Weir wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:22:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 11:17, Pigeon wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Having put appropriate deb-src lines in sourc

Re: External serial modem advice ?

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
raExpress 56e Pro 56K V90/V92 External Serial Modem > > Is OK with debian ? I can find tons on winmodems but no serial modem > compatibility lists ? Good news: All, and I mean *ALL*, external serial devices are compatible w/ Linux. -- +----

Re: pci scan

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
's features) If you want to to a "pci scan", as your Subject suggests, how can you beat: # lspci -vv -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA h

Re: M$ Curse

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
thing i have is the Debian 3.0r0 CD set. > > the linux system was running a 2.4.18 custom kernel and XFree4.0 The CD is also a rescue disk. Maybe you could fix things w/ it booting you into single-user mode. -- +-------+ | Ron Johns

Re: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22touch+%2Fforcefsck%22&btnG=Google+Search That's a google on the string "touch /forcefsck". The *first* entry is from the Debian FAQ and explains all. -- +---+ | Ron

Re: pci scan

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
version and speed, cache configuration, bus speed, etc. -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | |

Re: problem with scp

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
p/file > > I really don't understand the idea ! > searched google and had a look at the man pages but i didn't find any info. Try the "-v" switch. It'll spit out everything you ever wanted to know... -- +-

Re: cdrecord -scanbus -> not working

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
a: 16514064 sectors (8455 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=1092/240/63 > hdb: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache > Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12 > Do you have the needed modules loaded? lsmod should tell you. -- +---

Re: Converting Knoppix to Woody

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; > I had trouble with adding some packages under Knoppix, but did not have the > same trouble under a "regular" Debian install. Have you looked into Libranet? It's a very fine Woddy/sarge/sid based distro that uses KDE. The previous version (v2.0) is free for download. --

Re: Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
ng a fresh 3.0 install is good for cleaning out all the old cruft. Apparently, some config files have moved around since then. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http:/

Re: "debian rookie" trying to get his bearings...

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
ame S20apache to K20apache. That way, you can see what's been explicitly turned off, and you'll know that if it's not in /etc/rc2.d/ then it hasn't been installed. Remeber to also rename /etc/rc6.d/K??apache !!! -- +-

Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone

2003-01-25 Thread Ron Johnson
> Hope this helps someone. Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? How many minutes of music are they supposed to hold? The only 2 sizes I've seen are 650MiB (74 min) & 700MiB (80 min). -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: Oh no, what a really heavy bummer

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:14, Pigeon wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 04:43:44PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:22:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 11:17, Pigeon wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > [sn

Re: "debian rookie" trying to get his bearings...

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:57, Kent West wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >The Unix Way [to disable automatic starting of init scripts] is to rename > >S20apache to K20apache. That way, you can > >see what's been explicitly turned off, and you'll know that if

Re: "debian rookie" trying to get his bearings...

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
nce that *you* want the app to run. Thus, you'll have to mv S20foo to whatever number you want... [snip] -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.john

Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:30, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? > > Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now. Silly comments from the Peanut Gallery are *not* apprec

Re: CPU usage on debian (was: Re: Memory usage on debian)

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
e pretty old, and 10MB/s is SCSI-2's *exact* max speed, so maybe you're maxing out the Viking. -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA

[OT] question regarding sort(1)

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
I've looked in the man page, but see nothing. TIA, Ron -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://memb

Re: [OT] question regarding sort(1)

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 11:40, Steve Juranich wrote: > On 26 January 2003 at 10:37, > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What I want, though, is a straight, dumb ASCII sort based on each whole > > line of text, where " " collates before "0",

Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 08:50, Pigeon wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 02:45:56AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 23:30, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? [

Re: CPU usage on debian (was: Re: Memory usage on debian)

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 07:37, Pigeon wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:03:10AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 21:42, Pigeon wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:20:56AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 10:21:12PM

Re: [OT] question regarding sort(1)

2003-01-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 14:12, Bob Proulx wrote: > Vineet Kumar wrote: > > * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030126 11:22]: > > > On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 11:40, Steve Juranich wrote: > > > > On 26 January 2003 at 10:37, > > > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROT

Re: CPU usage on debian (was: Re: Memory usage on debian)

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 17:44, Pigeon wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:19:14PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 07:37, Pigeon wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 03:03:10AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 21:42, Pigeon w

Re: How to determine why a package is "held back"?

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
ails, the dist-upgrade will proceed anyway. You should do this: # apt-gte update && apt-get dist-upgrade -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PR

Re: Backup Consensus?

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
discussed in the past. > > I apologize in advance, but I'm not a subscriber of this list. Please > cc me on replies. You mean a package to do it, or which files to back up, or the h/w to use? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: How to determine why a package is "held back"?

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
al window: # apt-get -u dist-upgrade That'll allow you to decide what you *really* want to do, especially regarding config files. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Some package questions

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
quot;apt-cache show" will show you info like Dependencies, Conflicts, and Suggests. -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson,

Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
. Frustrating. > > I can live with something that behaves predictably. And that produces media that can be freely shared between friends w/o having to worry if they have a compatible CD drive. This kinda reminds me of when early 1.2MB floppys had trouble reading 360KB floppys formatted/w

Re: External serial modem advice ?

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
om pieces! You must care- fully cut the pieces, then lovingly sharpen the edges, so that they can latherlessly shave you smooth. THEN they will stick it then wall. (Of course, if anyone other than your geekiest friends saw you shaving with a sharpened PCB, you'd be sent straight to the funny fa

Re: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3 do I do it to swap ???

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
tem. But I > could be very wrong in some cases. I'm not really sure > But regarding swap, I don't think it will do anything useful for you... Heck, not only would it not do anything useful for you, you just can't do it!! -- +

Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
/dev/hda6 1.8G 828M 953M 47% /usr > /dev/hda7 1.5G 1.4G 133M 92% /var > /dev/hdb2 232M 24M 196M 11% /mnt/2 <== this one's okay > > hdb[125] are all "Linux" filesystem type 83 (ext2, right)? but > only hdb2

Re: Mysterious disk activity

2003-01-27 Thread Ron Johnson
you have an auxillary heater in the room. -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | |

Re: Backup Consensus?

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
north-americaner? :) http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quid http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guinea http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sterling -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Je

Re: Swap and ext3 (was: tune2fs ext2 -> ext3 do I do it to swap???)

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 19:51, Steve Lamb wrote: > On 27 Jan 2003 15:29:18 -0600 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Heck, not only would it not do anything useful for you, you just can't > > do it!! > > Well, technically you can after a fashion.

recurring costs of computer hobby (was: Re: Mysterious diskactivity)

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 21:32, nate wrote: > Ron Johnson said: > > > Leave it on, and fall quickly to sleep listening to white noise, > > while lowering the house's thermostat, since you have an auxillary heater > > in the room. > > I like white noise, but unfort

Re: what's fstype 83? "Linux"?

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
d then offered an ext3 option later... nope, ext3 didn't > work either.) > > > and partition type 83 is linux yes, but it's just a partition type, > > many kinds of filesystems can reside in there. > > racking my brain (what there is left of it) i stir no memory of

Re: Using VIA C3 and Woody?

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
27;d recommend that the firewall be on it's own stand-alone system, so that, for example, if it gets hacked, the bad guy would stil have to hack into your other machines to get ahold of your data. -- +---+ | Ron

Re: invalid date from date -d 1969-12-31

2003-01-28 Thread Ron Johnson
"1/15/1905" date: invalid date `1/15/1905' $ LC_TIME=C date -d "1/15/1905" date: invalid date `1/15/1905' $ LC_ALL=C date -d "1/15/1905" date: invalid date `1/15/1905' -- +---+

Re: Backup Consensus?

2003-01-29 Thread Ron Johnson
mine comes out > at 1.1 gig! Any thoughts on what is essential and what is not? The apt cache isn't essential. So, this might clear out a bunch: # apt-cache clean -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: BackOrifice on Linux?

2003-01-29 Thread Ron Johnson
ned, or is this maybe part of portsentry or something > similar? Shouldn't you run nmap on $EXTERN_IP, instead of localhost? I could care less what ports that localhost is listening to... -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: cu program?

2003-01-29 Thread Ron Johnson
is a user-configurable time-out period, so that you can surf at leisure w/o constantly getting disconnected. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: find a command i have recently used in bash

2003-01-29 Thread Ron Johnson
mmand in your history can be reused by prefixing its history number > with a bang ('!'). Thus if history says "422 ls -lAF /usr/local" you > can type "!422" at a prompt to issue that command again. history + > grep can be fun. I find this a helpful re

Re: cu program?

2003-01-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 17:01, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > Jeez, uucp is, like, /totally/ 80's! > > 70's, actually. However, it is still quite useful. Where? > > Seriously, look for diald, and put it on the modem-server. > > Just configure

Re: cdrecord and BIG DISKS - Might help someone

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 17:44, Tim wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:43:35PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >>Where did you get 900MiB CD-Rs? > > > > > > Buy them in a store. ^_^ You can get 90 minute and 99 minute discs now

Re: Oh no, what a really heavy bummer

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 07:42, Andreas J Guelzow wrote: > Pigeon wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:22:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > apt-get --compile source > > is supposed to download the source and > > apt-get --compile source > > is suppo

Re: Oh no, what a really heavy bummer

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 16:26, Pigeon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:22:44PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Here's how I do it: > > # apt-get source gqview=1.0.2-1 > > # export CC=gcc-3.2 -Wall -O2 -mcpu=pentiumpro > > # apt-get --compile source g

Re: cu program?

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 11:53, John Hasler wrote: > I wrote: > > However, [uucp] is still quite useful. > > Ron Johnson writes: > > Where? > > Many people use it to handle mail. But *why*? POP & SMTP can handle it even

Re: Slang for money [was: Re: Backup Consensus?]

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
what > > German Hanseatic merchants were called during the middle ages. > > I need to read less fiction and more history; to me an easterling is > someone from beyond the Sea of Rhûn :-) Who wants to bet where JRRT got "easterling" from -- +----

Re: Download installed .debs??

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
ng the file, how about: # apt-get -d install --reinstall ^^ -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | |

Re: How crazy is it to run 2.4.20 on woody?

2003-01-30 Thread Ron Johnson
is currently at version 2.4.20-5) has those patches. Even if you get the Debian package, you can install the kernel the Official Way (as opposed to the Debian Way). -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jef

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-03 Thread Ron Johnson
it goes w/o saying that artificial gravity (that can be powered by the same enery source that propells the ship) will have to be invented so that man's skeletal system won't fall apart during prolonged space travel. (Al

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-03 Thread Ron Johnson
> > http://www.netaxs.com/~jeffc/how-fast-is-it.jpg > > Yeah, now THERE's proof of the effectiveness of Republican leadership. > No Democratic administration could EVER build a shuttle that goes THAT > fast... Unfortunately, it's just proof that so many in the media

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 17:01, Kenward Vaughan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:26:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > ... > > As much of a fan of "space" science fiction that I am, the pragmatist > > in me must wonder if space planes will ever become practical until >

RE: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
7;t think they are brave either. You've *got* to be kidding, right? -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ ron.l.johnson | |

Re: knowledge

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
ds like you've been to one too many philosophy class... So, there would obviously not be the *word* gravity, but there would still be attractions between masses in the manner in which *we* describe as F = G(MaMb/r^2). -- ++ | Ron Jo

Re: need access to old bzip'ed file

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/archivers/bzip/ It may not be what you need, but it's a start... -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ ron.l.johnson | |

Re: knowledge

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 16:02, Craig Dickson wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > My favorite quote from Stephen Hawking is one where he was contrasting > his view of quantum theory with that of Roger Penrose in a Scientific > American article several years ago. He wrote (this may

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
ool, though. The "only" problems are developing a strong- enough pusher plate, and withstanding the incredible bursts of accel- eration... -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ ron

Re: knowledge

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 22:10, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > "Ron" == Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ron> I'm inherently(sp?) suspicious of any theory which is only > Ron> really understood by a half-dozen people. Many parts of >

Re: Need help: tar and huge files

2003-02-04 Thread Ron Johnson
e dir, Could you do 1,999 single file extractions, thus leaving the bad file in the tarball? bash should make doing that /relatively/ easy... -- +--------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Ron Johnson
Thus giving new meaning to the idea that Mars is "red"... And dusty! http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/mars_storm_update_011011.html http://www.gluckman.com/ChinaDesert.html http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/01/29/china.desert/ -- +---

Re: columbia -- what really happened

2003-02-05 Thread Ron Johnson
me families on welfare. They have not bettered themselves. Also, look at the "old money" rich, who don't have to work. The Kennedys and the DuPonts aren't paragons of moral virtue... -- +--------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Ho

Re: c program chart, scheme, plan

2003-02-05 Thread Ron Johnson
something that will generate C code directly from your flow charts? > And, in general, what tools, editors, other things you are using > to facilitate c (or other languages) development ? vim, make, automake, autoconf, cvs, etc... -- +------

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-06 Thread Ron Johnson
else. Science can > find lots of solutions, politics/greed are the problems when it comes > to putting them into practice. The "problem" is that gasoline & diesel are very convenient & high- density fuels. I'm pretty confident that a decent minorty of US cars will be us

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
ust worked hard to earn > > it. > > > > > You don't "work hard" for stock dividends. You just put your money in > stocks and they come all by themselves... although I guess I did word > that a little strangely. Well, you worked hard to get the m

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
ood way to solve many/most of society's ills, and thus taxes are a Good Thing. Likewise, there seems to be another faction that thinks that gov't mostly can't find it's arse with both hands, a map, a flashlight (electric torch), and GPS, and thus excess taxes a

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 17:01, DvB wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 03:59, James Buchanan wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 11:34:51PM -0600, DvB wrote: > > > > > "James Buchanan" <[EMAIL P

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
ey that I get direct deposited into my bank account, and with which I write checks & use online banking to pay bills with is all hypothetical, and is based on how stable we think society is. Oh, and yes, the rules governing how numbers move between ledger sheets also comes from the government...

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
ervices come from the government...Try > producing your own goods and services. Maybe I'm missing something, but what are you talking about. People and corporations produce their own goods and services every day. -- ++

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
ystem is even close to breaking even, then an honest private enterprise could turn a profit. (By honest, I mean that the city managers weren't bribed, or given large campaign donations, and the company isn't using Enronesque accounting practices.) -- +--

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 22:38, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 09:12:36PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Only anarchists believe that government should not exist, and American > > conservatives & libertarians are most emphatically *not* anarchists. > > They

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 22:20, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 09:52:57PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > eg. Actually, all goods and services come from the government...Try > > > producing your own goods and services. > > > > Maybe I'm missi

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-07 Thread Ron Johnson
me stupid asshole into giving you a $20 for a $5. > That's not working, that's being a crook. Paul & I definitely agree here. IMO, the only *real* investors are the original stock purchasers. -- +----+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 00:14, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:24:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > I think government pretty much mops up after the services that aren't > "sexy" enough for private enterprise to think of it (rapid transit, > po

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 00:27, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:55:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Ummm, somehow I don't think that when W was inaugurated, he was planning > > on having these new burdens placed on the Federal budget... > > Yeah, but

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
r long enough to starve England. Then he could have easily conquored it. But, of course, he was insane. Otherwise, why invade Russia? -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
ple are going to be getting cancer for a long, long time, so the money made from all those sick people will be magnatudes greater than any money recieved, from say, research grants. Besides, there's always something else to cure... -- +--------

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 05:00, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:20:37AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > I think government pretty much mops up after the services that aren't > > > "sexy" enough for private enterprise to think of it (rapid transit,

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:00, DvB wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 00:14, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:24:41PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > [snip] > > > businesses behaving badly: Shape

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:06, DvB wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 00:27, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:55:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Ummm, somehow I don't think that when W

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote: > Travis Crump wrote: > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > >>> eg. Actually, all goods and services come from the govern

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 13:17, David P James wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > > Ya know, I've always wondered why Hitler declared war on us. We never > > did anything to him. He was fighting the Godless Communists, and a > > significant minority of Ame

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 14:32, Geordie Birch wrote: > said Ron Johnson (on 2003-02-08), > > > > you've listed. I can't just use the tokens anywhere; they are probably > > > only redeemable at that particular arcade, though I might be able to > > > sell

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:21, Geordie Birch wrote: > said David P James (on 2003-02-08), > > > Travis Crump wrote: > > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 20:57, Gary Turner wrote: [snip] > And I can spend my Canadian dollars in Cana

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:12, David P James wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote: > > > >>Travis Crump wrote: > >> > > >>> > >>>People and corporations produce their own money every day as wel

Re: [OT] Re: shuttle disaster (Socrates)

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
an, who also said: "Americans adore me and will go on adoring me > until I say something nice about them." That's only the self-flagellators. The rest of us would just tell him to go fsck himself... -- +----+ | Ron Johnson,

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 23:37, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 01:27:42PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > I wonder if the old ones were fired? Would adequate pay have attracted > > competent workers in the 1st place? We'll never know... > > Not necissarily.

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
ome political/naval animosity beween the 2 countries, but the bonds of trade & culture were too strong. -- ++ | Ron Johnson, Jr. Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ ron.l.johnson | |

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 22:58, David P James wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 15:12, David P James wrote: > > > >>Ron Johnson wrote: > >> > >>>On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:18, David P James wrote: [snip] > Contraire is correct :)

Re: shuttle disaster

2003-02-08 Thread Ron Johnson
adj : of or having a geosynchronous orbit such that the >position > in such an orbit is fixed with respect to the earth; "a > geostationary satellite" Ah ha! The satellite can be in a polar orbit at 35,000 (38,000?) Km, so would be geosync

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