Re: I worry...

1999-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
do > this when you buy the disks; a Good Thing IMO. Which is even more attractive (for US residents) now that SPI is a registered non-profit organisation. Every time I order Debian CDs I make at least a $10 donation to SPI. -- Regards, Ben Finney, System Administrator PrintSoft Pty Ltd

Amanda 2.4.0-3 from Debian 2.1, missing files?

1999-06-08 Thread Ben Finney
h, is that the amanda package seemingly doesn't contain the dependency information for these files. Is this a configuration problem on my part? Do I need to source /sbin/dump and create /var/lib/dumpdates? Is it something fixed in a later version of amanda? Or something else? -- Rega

Re: A better telnet?

1999-06-09 Thread Ben Finney
ross this one in a net search. Been very happy with it ever since; in fact, typing "telnet" on my M$ box now brings this baby up instead :-) -- Regards, Ben Finney, System Administrator PrintSoft Pty Ltd

Re: Tab Tab program/command line editing

1999-07-06 Thread Ben Finney
and completion can quickly become your friend. You can get more information on the bash manpage (if your pager can search, try searching for Completing), but it's far more intuitive than a dry explanation can put across. Just try it out. -- Regards, Ben Finney, System Administrator PrintSoft Pty Ltd

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-17 Thread Ben Finney
enough. Can you give an example of what reasonable presentation would be needed to convince you on this matter? -- \“Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas | `\ are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.” | _o__) —Howard Aiken | Ben Finney

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Ben Finney
anyone has an onus to provide more. -- \ “Try to learn something about everything and everything about | `\ something.” —Thomas Henry Huxley | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Expired GPG keys of older release

2018-06-20 Thread Ben Finney
that key. Don't trust whatever signatures you find with that key any more. -- \ “I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it.” | `\ —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Expired GPG keys of older release

2018-06-21 Thread Ben Finney
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 10:25:25 PM Ben Finney wrote: > > In other words: Yes, it's inconvenient, but it's because *no one can > > know* with confidence any more whether that key has been compromised. > > Well, I should study up m

Re: VPN suggestions?

2018-07-10 Thread Ben Finney
ust an awful lot of | _o__)‘us’.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney

Re: Regarding Installation over Windows 10

2018-07-15 Thread Ben Finney
ry, and then tries to keep others from | _o__) building on it, is a thief.” —Tim O'Reilly, 2000-01-25 | Ben Finney

Re: Loan companies

2018-07-17 Thread Ben Finney
sions to! -- \ “We jealously reserve the right to be mistaken in our view of | `\ what exists, given that theories often change under pressure | _o__) from further investigation.” —Thomas W. Clark, 2009 | Ben Finney

Re: Any VPS recommendations?

2018-07-22 Thread Ben Finney
at is common to those, and absent for other countries? -- \ “The double standard that exempts religious activities from | `\ almost all standards of accountability should be dismantled | _o__) once and for all.” —Daniel Dennett, 2010-01-12 | Ben Finney

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-09 Thread Ben Finney
ntly bad for it to be replaced. Otherwise it stays, by default. -- \“I was in Las Vegas, at the roulette table, having a furious | `\ argument over what I considered to be an odd number.” —Steven | _o__) Wright | Ben Finney

Re: manuals

2018-08-10 Thread Ben Finney
to their own facts.” —US Senator Pat Moynihan | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Ben Finney
got an answering machine for my phone. Now when someone | `\ calls me up and I'm not home, they get a recording of a busy | _o__) signal.” —Steven Wright | Ben Finney

Re: (OT) Top Posting (was Re: Gimp Babl too old)

2018-09-17 Thread Ben Finney
eant.” —Robert J. McCloskey | Ben Finney

Re: No KODI for buster?

2018-10-11 Thread Ben Finney
d. You can read each news item at the above URL to find out more. -- \ “To label any subject unsuitable for comedy is to admit | `\ defeat.” —Peter Sellers | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: No KODI for buster?

2018-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
e but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O | `\ Lord, make my enemies ridiculous!’ And God granted it.” | _o__) —Voltaire | Ben Finney

Re: basilisk-browser

2018-10-18 Thread Ben Finney
ipated your wish to know, and provided a concrete example of the hostility. Did you read the discussion at that URL? -- \“[T]he great menace to progress is not ignorance but the | `\ illusion of knowledge.” —Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, | _o__)

Re: basilisk-browser

2018-10-19 Thread Ben Finney
with the Firefox trademark restrictions. -- \ “The best is the enemy of the good.” —Voltaire, _Dictionnaire | `\Philosophique_ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: do you find old firefox is better than new one?

2018-12-16 Thread Ben Finney
rteous, efficient | `\self-service.” —supermarket, Hong Kong | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: ot: of a sort, alternative news collection sources?

2018-12-17 Thread Ben Finney
ws.org/> -- \ “As I bit into the nectarine, it had a crisp juiciness about it | `\ that was very pleasurable — until I realized it wasn't a | _o__) nectarine at all, but A HUMAN HEAD!!” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney

Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

2019-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
to their fellows, because it always coincides with their | _o__) own desires.” —Susan Brownell Anthony, 1896 | Ben Finney

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

2019-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
reedoms already granted to a person in a specific past release of the work. -- \“Fascism is capitalism plus murder.” —Upton Sinclair | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Can a recipients rights under GNU GPL be revoked?

2019-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
reedoms already granted to a person in a specific past release of the work. -- \“Fascism is capitalism plus murder.” —Upton Sinclair | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: How to file a proper bug report

2019-02-14 Thread Ben Finney
on for people we | `\ despise, we don't believe in it at all.” —Noam Chomsky, | _o__) 1992-11-25 | Ben Finney

Re: How to file a proper bug report

2019-02-14 Thread Ben Finney
mas Carlyle, 1830 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Using a VPN to bypass surveillance and censorship (was: how to find out video memory size?)

2019-02-15 Thread Ben Finney
security-tools/blockedinchina/duckduckgo/>. -- \ “Natural catastrophes are rare, but they come often enough. We | `\ need not force the hand of nature.” —Carl Sagan, _Cosmos_, 1980 | _o__) | Ben Finney

GnuBee: freedom-respecting Network Attached Storage (was: Please Recommend Affordable and Reliable Cloud Storage for 50 TB of Data)

2019-02-16 Thread Ben Finney
“Every valuable human being must be a radical and a rebel, for | `\ what he must aim at is to make things better than they are.” | _o__) —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney

NetworkManager with VPN for internet, not local LAN

2019-02-24 Thread Ben Finney
productive ways.” | _o__) —Paul Z. Myers, 2011-08-31 | Ben Finney

Recover deleted files on LVM volume

2019-03-17 Thread Ben Finney
e.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney

Re: Recover deleted files on LVM volume

2019-03-18 Thread Ben Finney
le equals 1 mile’. Last summer, I folded it.” —Steven | _o__) Wright | Ben Finney

Re: Recover deleted files on LVM volume

2019-03-18 Thread Ben Finney
at ‘testdisk’ did the last time I used it successfully). -- \ “Try to learn something about everything and everything about | `\ something.” —Thomas Henry Huxley | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: text editors

2019-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
be used against | `\ unintelligible propositions.” —Thomas Jefferson, 1816-07-30 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Emacs without knowing any Lisp (was: text editors)

2019-03-28 Thread Ben Finney
sing Emacs https://tuhdo.github.io/emacs-tutor.html>. -- \ “The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not | `\ you believe in it.” —Neil deGrasse Tyson, 2011-02-04 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: System warning that "/var" is almost full

2019-04-29 Thread Ben Finney
“'Tis strange, — but true; for truth is always strange; / | `\Stranger than fiction.” —“Lord” George Gordon Noel Byron, _Don | _o__) Juan_ | Ben Finney

Re: Configure your PC to contribute to Debian community

2019-05-08 Thread Ben Finney
d significantly simplifies setting up a sufficiently-isolated standard Debian package build environment. -- \ “Do unto others twenty-five percent better than you expect them | `\ to do unto you. (The twenty-five percent is [to correct] for | _o__) error.)” —Linus Pauling's Golden Rule | Ben Finney

Re: network card problem

2008-08-11 Thread Ben Finney
hensible and actively detracts from rational discourse. -- \“I got fired from my job the other day. They said my | `\ personality was weird. … That's okay, I have four more.” | _o__) —Bug-Eyed Earl, _Red Meat_ | Ben Finney -- To

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-19 Thread Ben Finney
t the same time. I feel like | `\ I've forgotten this before sometime." -- Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: rampant offtopic and offensive posts to debian-user

2007-05-21 Thread Ben Finney
omes from people who don't feel overwhelmed by the noise and see the direct benefit of on-topic contributions. -- \ "If you ever teach a yodeling class, probably the hardest thing | `\ is to keep the students from just trying to yodel right off. | _o__) Y

Re: Filing bug reports in Debian

2008-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
hing further is *necessary*, only desirable. > I, too, am interested in other peoples views on this. Hope that helps. -- \ Contentsofsignaturemaysettleduringshipping. | `\ | _o__)

Quote from Stephen Roberts (was: Filing bug reports in Debian)

2008-10-13 Thread Ben Finney
ry.php>, though the message itself seems to have escaped the archives of Usenet. -- \ “The process by which banks create money is so simple that the | `\ mind is repelled.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _Money: Whence It | _o__) Came, Where It Wen

Re: Quote from Stephen Roberts

2008-10-15 Thread Ben Finney
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 09:22:28AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > No, that quote was not made by Sir Stephen Henry Roberts. (If you > > know differently, could you please provide a reference?) > > Uhm, why do you post in pu

Hostility on Debian forums

2014-11-19 Thread Ben Finney
in any Debian discussion forum. Please stop. -- \ “One time I went to a drive-in in a cab. The movie cost me | `\ ninety-five dollars.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: Debian man pages - mechanics of creation/publication?

2017-04-19 Thread Ben Finney
here wasn't any gum under | _o__) any of them.” —Emo Philips | Ben Finney

Re: Proper folder for non-Debian binaries

2017-04-19 Thread Ben Finney
undis_, 1897 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Spam on Debian lists

2017-04-20 Thread Ben Finney
cted. There are likely others, but that seems enough to answer the question. -- \ “The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on | `\ uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral, and | _o__)spiritual health.” —_The Uses Of The Past_, Herbert J. Muller | Ben Finney

Re: Old, stale bug reports (bug triage)

2017-04-26 Thread Ben Finney
, _Collected Works_, 1913 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: why can't I visit this web site

2017-06-05 Thread Ben Finney
—Albert Einstein | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: why can't I visit this web site

2017-06-05 Thread Ben Finney
a musical?” | _o__) —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney

Re: FOSS-friendly Wireless Access Point (WAP) for SOHO network?

2017-06-05 Thread Ben Finney
a but you | `\can’t also be unencumbered by evidence.” —Darren Saunders, | _o__) 2015-12-02 | Ben Finney

Re: Free software

2017-07-18 Thread Ben Finney
o sell video cards – who tries to deny us that freedom. -- \ “All television is educational television. The question is: | `\ what is it teaching?” —Nicholas Johnson | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Free software

2017-07-18 Thread Ben Finney
Doug writes: > On 07/18/2017 07:18 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Doug [2017-07-18 13:25:34-05] wrote: > >>> My point is that most of the folks who complain about code not > >>> being free to modify are not capable of modifying it, so why do > >>> th

Re: please help me

2017-07-29 Thread Ben Finney
nt to the cinema, it said ‘Adults: $5.00, Children $2.50’. | `\ So I said ‘Give me two boys and a girl.’” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: LibreOffice - middle click paste does not work.

2017-08-07 Thread Ben Finney
nt that we should know? -- \ “Try adding “as long as you don't breach the terms of service – | `\ according to our sole judgement” to the end of any cloud | _o__) computing pitch.” —Simon Phipps, 2010-12-11 | Ben Finney

Re: Emacs info documentation missing in Debian Unstable

2018-01-21 Thread Ben Finney
freedom.”) | _o__) | Ben Finney

Reply to sender, Reply to list (was: policy around 'wontfix' bug tag)

2018-02-05 Thread Ben Finney
iling list, nor individual posters, to second guess you on that. This has all been hashed out here in the past many times, but it is good to refresh the references and facts again. -- \ “I thought I'd begin by reading a poem by Shakespeare, but then | `\ I thought ‘Why should I? He never reads any of mine.’” —Spike | _o__) Milligan | Ben Finney

Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname)

2018-03-20 Thread Ben Finney
rth, a master programmer has unlimited power | `\ and expressiveness. With Python, even a regular guy can reach | _o__) for the stars.” —Raymond Hettinger | Ben Finney

Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations

2018-03-25 Thread Ben Finney
to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it | _o__) too?” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
| _o__) Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | Ben Finney

Re: Debian for wide-world, yes we can!

2018-04-21 Thread Ben Finney
.” —Erik Naggum, in _gnu.misc.discuss_ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: A Major Success Story, Using Debian 9.4

2018-04-23 Thread Ben Finney
r. Art is everything else we do.” —Donald Knuth, 1996 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: which program do you recommend to read pdf file

2018-05-09 Thread Ben Finney
“Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does | `\ knowledge.” —Charles Darwin, _The Descent of Man_, 1871 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Correct: System Thinks Hardware Clock is UTC

2018-05-18 Thread Ben Finney
not use this program.” | `\—Microsoft Vista security dialogue | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: why gdb-doc is in non-free ??!

2018-05-19 Thread Ben Finney
ebel, for | `\ what he must aim at is to make things better than they are.” | _o__) —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney

Re: debian version ID

2016-08-01 Thread Ben Finney
you've got a problem.” —Larry Wall | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: debian version ID

2016-08-01 Thread Ben Finney
e Hitch-Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy_, Douglas | _o__) Adams | Ben Finney

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

2016-08-12 Thread Ben Finney
nything else.” —Winston Churchill, 1954-11-09 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

2016-08-16 Thread Ben Finney
re SMS messages as well, indeed. SMS probably does not count as a decentralised system in the sense the original poster is seeking. > Google Voice Google's services are highly centralised to a single vendor. -- \ “Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in | `\ b

Re: epub files and debian?

2016-08-23 Thread Ben Finney
themselves EPub? -- \ “Faith is the determination to remain ignorant in the face of | `\ all evidence that you are ignorant.” —Shaun Mason | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: epub files and debian?

2016-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
Kushal Kumaran writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > > Dan Ritter writes: > > > >> However, you probably don't need to go that far. EPUB is HTML > >> in a ZIP file. Unzip it, then deal with HTML as you wish. > > > > Many EPub files that I find,

Re: epub files and debian?

2016-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
solution to mountains of waste is not more | `\ landfill sites but fewer shopping centres.” —Clive Hamilton, | _o__) _Affluenza_, 2005 | Ben Finney

Re: [Rant] The Endless Search for a Mail Client That Doesn't Suck

2016-08-28 Thread Ben Finney
e thread of discussion :-) -- \ “… correct code is great, code that crashes could use | `\ improvement, but incorrect code that doesn’t crash is a | _o__)horrible nightmare.” —Chris Smith, 2008-08-22 | Ben Finney

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

2016-09-07 Thread Ben Finney
urrently who are also using non-free software. -- \ “I like to fill my bathtub up with water, then turn the shower | `\ on and pretend I'm in a submarine that's been hit.” —Steven | _o__) Wright | Ben Finney

Primary and secondary school education in free software

2016-09-17 Thread Ben Finney
laugh | `\at that man.” —Jack Handey | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Building Debian Package From Upstream Source

2016-09-25 Thread Ben Finney
ld boy, and I'll bet he | `\ was glad to get rid of it.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Building Debian Package From Upstream Source

2016-09-26 Thread Ben Finney
Stephen Allen writes: > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:00:03AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Especially when patches are needed, you shouldn't expect those > > patches to apply to anything except the exact upstream version. The > > work of a Debian package maintainer inclu

Re: Which version of Debian from which physical device?

2016-10-08 Thread Ben Finney
ordered) Does that proxy question suffice? -- \ “Progress might have been all right once, but it's gone on too | `\long.” —Ogden Nash | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: comparing password managers in Debian, synchronizing on multiple devices

2016-10-24 Thread Ben Finney
a judgment after you have | `\examined the evidence. In some circles it is even encouraged.” | _o__)—Carl Sagan, _The Burden of Skepticism_, 1987 | Ben Finney

Re: comparing password managers in Debian, synchronizing on multiple devices

2016-10-25 Thread Ben Finney
task. (Good sigmonster, have a cookie.) -- \ “Try adding “as long as you don't breach the terms of service – | `\ according to our sole judgement” to the end of any cloud | _o__) computing pitch.” —Simon Phipps, 2010-12-11 | Ben Finney

Re: It there a way to file a complaint against a package maintainer?

2016-11-29 Thread Ben Finney
software freedom generally. -- \ “What's another word for Thesaurus?” —Steven Wright | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Where are WiFi passwords (WPA keys) stored?

2016-12-06 Thread Ben Finney
tails so we can know better what your system is doing. -- \ “I went to a garage sale. ‘How much for the garage?’ ‘It's not | `\for sale.’” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: non-free software requirement

2016-12-07 Thread Ben Finney
“Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to | `\another, ‘What! You too? I thought I was the only one!’” —C.S. | _o__) Lewis | Ben Finney

Re: Python Alternatives?

2016-12-13 Thread Ben Finney
ance_ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Python Alternatives?

2016-12-13 Thread Ben Finney
Joe Pfeiffer writes: > Ben Finney writes: > > > The policy for Python in Debian requires that “/usr/bin/python’ is > > the default Python 2 interpreter, and ‘/usr/bin/python3’ is the > > default Python 3 interpreter. > > > > There is no “default Python

Re: (error) @ flashplugin-nonfree

2016-12-17 Thread Ben Finney
hould I? He never reads any of mine.’” —Spike | _o__) Milligan | Ben Finney

Re: Why I can not install software on debian easily?

2016-12-18 Thread Ben Finney
ll read this email. You know better now. -- \“Good morning, Pooh Bear”, said Eeyore gloomily. “If it is a | `\ good morning”, he said. “Which I doubt”, said he. —A. A. Milne, | _o__)_Winnie-the-Pooh_ | Ben Finney

Re: Synaptic icons - where defined/explained?

2016-12-26 Thread Ben Finney
and is ‘[’. The corresponding “collapse all items within this one” command is ‘]’. -- \ “How many people here have telekenetic powers? Raise my hand.” | `\ —Emo Philips | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Errors were encountered while processing python3.5 etc

2017-01-21 Thread Ben Finney
g run, the utility of all non-Free software | `\ approaches zero. All non-Free software is a dead end.” —Mark | _o__) Pilgrim, 2006 | Ben Finney

Re: bug report

2017-02-21 Thread Ben Finney
rectly. That's what determines which package should receive the bug report. -- \ “We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the | `\ sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his | _o__) wife is beautiful and his children smart.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney

Re: xscreensaver (5.30-1+deb8u1)

2016-04-03 Thread Ben Finney
pgrade! See https://bugs.debian.org/819703> for the existing report, and ensuing discussion. -- \ “Beware of and eschew pompous prolixity.” —Charles A. Beardsley | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch

2017-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
u, which is why I don't like to | _o__) read good books.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney

Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch

2017-08-21 Thread Ben Finney
t recorded in a bug report :-) -- \ “A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, I'm afraid of | `\ widths.” —Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Debian v9 it's a stretch

2017-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
r to release, how can you claim surprise when they aren't fixed in time for release? -- \ “Courage is not the absence of fear, but the decision that | `\ something else is more important than fear.” —Ambrose Redmoon | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Stop

2017-08-25 Thread Ben Finney
Jessica Litwin writes: > HAMMER TIME! In the name of lve! -- \ “Why doesn't Python warn that it's not 100% perfect? Are people | `\ just supposed to “know” this, magically?” —Mitya Sirenef, | _o__) comp.lang.python, 201

Re: STOP

2017-08-26 Thread Ben Finney
Nothin's Gonna > STOP Us Now -- \ “Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a | `\ computer. Art is everything else we do.” —Donald Knuth, 1996 | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Resign me from your lists

2017-08-27 Thread Ben Finney
Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney

Re: Laptop recommendation

2017-09-03 Thread Ben Finney
as you don't breach the terms of service – | `\ according to our sole judgement” to the end of any cloud | _o__) computing pitch.” —Simon Phipps, 2010-12-11 | Ben Finney

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

2017-09-05 Thread Ben Finney
r text editors make your life better. -- \ “My business is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves | `\ to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my | _o__) aspirations.“ —Thomas Henry Huxley, 1860-09-23 | Ben Finney

Re: Recommended editor for novice programmers?

2017-09-06 Thread Ben Finney
cience: Ask an impertinent question, | `\and you're on the way to the pertinent answer.” —Jacob | _o__) Bronowski, _The Ascent of Man_, 1973 | Ben Finney

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