Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 06:57:50PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Could we please stop the thread now? You appear to be talking past each other at this point. Various suggestions as to the nature of the problem and possible solutions have been put forward - it is absolutely for you to choose whatever you

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2023, at 5:37 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 06:57:50PM -0500, Pocket wrote: >> > > Could we please stop the thread now? You appear to be talking past each > other at this point. Various suggestions as to the nature of the problem > a

[SOLVED?] Re: Mouse single click handling?

2023-12-21 Thread local10
Dec 19, 2023, 16:36 by to...@tuxteam.de: > Here's someone offering a patch for xserver-xorg-input-evdev: > > https://blog.guntram.de/?p=16 > > and this is someone reporting on how to build for Ubuntu: > > > https://askubuntu.com/questions/321816/mouse-sometimes-doubleclicks-when-i-click-once >

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one am in favour of. Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:52:33PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > Sorry for the synecdoche, but I think it expresses the comprehensive > setting of UTC across the entirety of the computer and its operating > system, from the RTC, through /etc/timezone and /etc/localhost, to > the users' sessions. By

Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input traffic. This is unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to achieve but suspect no good. It is also eating my broadband allowance. This does not show up in the Apache log files - the TCP connection does not succeed. Sometimes my

RTC and (old) Windows [was: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...]

2023-12-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:15:12AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Again, there isn't any agency here. The RTC is just a resource that > the system can use, once per boot, to get things started. It could > be set correctly, or incorrectly. It could be set to local time, as > was common whe

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one am in favour of. Andy So I see that I am not welcome here. Ok fine, I will take my leave

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:08:26AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > and what would the systemd way to synch the RTC (Real Time Clock) and > UTC? I don't understand this question at all. The system clock value is normally written to the RTC as a backup when the system shuts down. Then, the RTC va

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Alain D D Williams wrote: My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input traffic. This is unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to achieve but suspect no good. It is also eating my broadband allowance. This does not show up in the Apache log files - t

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Dan Purgert
On Dec 21, 2023, Alain D D Williams wrote: > My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input > traffic. This is unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to > achieve but suspect no good. It is also eating my broadband > allowance. > > Questions: > > • What is going on ? Looks

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 12:00:55PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input traffic. This > is > unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to achieve but suspect no good. > It > is also eating my broadband allowance. > 11:08:56.354303 I

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:50:42AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > If your home Internet service has an "allowance", you probably shouldn't > run a web server on it. Yes: I do run a web server at home, but there is only a little/personal stuff, it does not receive much real traffic, I do not want i

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
On Thu, 2023-12-21 at 07:35 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > for one am in favour of. > > > > An

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 01:10:59PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > Yes: I do run a web server at home, but there is only a little/personal stuff, > it does not receive much real traffic, I do not want it to. Most of my web > presence is hosted elsewhere. Okay well 30KiB/s is only about

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Maybe I should not post at all? > > Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I > > for one am in favour of. > > So

Re: Mouse single click handling?

2023-12-21 Thread songbird
James H. H. Lampert wrote: > On 12/20/23 11:30 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: >> Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been >> good. Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk, >> which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault. >> >> But since then several I'v

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 08:49, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:35:44AM -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/21/23 06:32, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:44:23AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Maybe I should not post at all? Unless you are able to do better at it, that is a solution that I for one

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Andy Smith
Hello all, I did see the request from Andy Cater to bring this thread to a close so I am only going to answer the below questions off-list and do my part to not prolong this. Hopefully you didn't feel that you missed anything. 😀 Thanks, Andy On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:58:28AM -0500, Pocket wrot

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 09:10, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote: Hi Pocket, On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Pocket wrote: What is your official capacity for debian? This is the mailinglist debian-user, where User help User with their problems. Mainly Desktop-related some server-related. but this is a user (in the sense

Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...)

2023-12-21 Thread Dan Ritter
Max Nikulin wrote: > I am not going to discuss code posted by Albretch, despite it has serious > issues from my point of view. This is a response to Greg. > > On 20/12/2023 22:04, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The default time zone has nothing to do with systemd, nor with any other > > init system tha

Fwd: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
Forwarded Message Subject:Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:15:23 + From: Andy Smith Reply-To: a...@strugglers.net To: Pocket Hello, [off-list] On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 08:58:28AM -0500, Pocket

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-12-21, Alain D D Williams wrote: > Yes: I do run a web server at home, but there is only a little/personal stuff, > it does not receive much real traffic, I do not want it to. Most of my web > presence is hosted elsewhere. If you open a port (80 or something else), not on your server but

Re: Fwd: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Arno Lehmann
21.12.2023 at 15:25 Pocket: (forwarded direct mail) Stop this. There's still a slight chance that some of the list readers have not yet decided to ignore your mail. Also stop trying to trigger some sort of guilt her. It's not going to work. Cheers, Arno -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 12:44:33PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Alain D D Williams wrote: [...] > You can try sending RST. That might make them give up. And then, there's tarpit [1] . But then I'd make double-sure you aren't hurting legitimate traffic. Cheers [1] https://ma

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 01:39:53PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Okay well 30KiB/s is only about 78GiB/month which isn't really a > lot. I think we're both in UK and it's been hard to find a domestic > Internet connection that you'd run a web server on that can't cope > with 78G/mo. So ignoring it se

Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...)

2023-12-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Max Nikulin wrote: > > I am not going to discuss code posted by Albretch, despite it has serious > > issues from my point of view. This is a response to Greg. > > > > On 20/12/2023 22:04, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > The default time zon

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 Pocket wrote: Hello Pocket, > Forwarded Message Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is very rude indeed. Given that it was announced by sender beforehand that they would reply privately, I'm absolutely certain the

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 09:58, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 01:39:53PM +, Andy Smith wrote: Okay well 30KiB/s is only about 78GiB/month which isn't really a lot. I think we're both in UK and it's been hard to find a domestic Internet connection that you'd run a web server on that c

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 09:46, Brad Rogers wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 Pocket wrote: Hello Pocket, Forwarded Message Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is very rude indeed. Given that it was announced by sender beforehand that they would r

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 21 Dec 2023 09:25 -0500, from poc...@columbus.rr.com (Pocket): > Forwarded Message > Subject: Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists] > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 14:15:23 + > From: Andy Smith > Reply-To: a...@strugglers.net > To:

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:11:08AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Use a firewall and set it up correctly. That I have done. The issue is broadband usage - ie before it hits the firewall. > Assuming a residential environment. > > Firewall the router and server(s) as well as all the client machines. >

Re: systemd and timezone

2023-12-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/12/2023 21:08, Dan Ritter wrote: Max Nikulin wrote: busctl introspect org.freedesktop.timedate1 /org/freedesktop/timedate1 Is this set per-user? It would be "busctl --user" if it were per-user. This an interface for a system-wide setting. Because I certainly have multiple users on

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 10:24, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:11:08AM -0500, Pocket wrote: Use a firewall and set it up correctly. That I have done. The issue is broadband usage - ie before it hits the firewall. All you should be seeing is scans which you can not prevent. What

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/12/2023 19:38, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:08:26AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: Why is it I am noticing a 14 seconds difference on my computer (booted with a Debian Live DVD)? Have you executed any commands setting time since boot? Does the difference remain afte

Re: Could we please cease this thread now? [WAS Re: lists]

2023-12-21 Thread Byung-Hee HWANG
On Thu, 2023-12-21 at 10:12 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 09:46, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 > > Pocket wrote: > > > > Hello Pocket, > > > > > Forwarded Message > > Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is > > ver

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:31:06AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > All you should be seeing is scans which you can not prevent. I am looking at incoming packets with tcpdump. This sees packets *before* they are filtered by iptables. > What are you using for a firewall? Something hand rolled. Reasonably

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:51 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:31:06AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > [...] > > Amazon AWS system. should not be able to hit your http server, unless you > > want it to. > > How do I distinguish between wanted & unwanted connections. The only thin

Re: systemd and timezone

2023-12-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 21/12/2023 12:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:30:42AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: busctl introspect org.freedesktop.timedate1 /org/freedesktop/timedate1 Desktop environments use this interface. Ugh. I do not see any problem if it is considered as a D-Bus interface

wifi issue on bullseye

2023-12-21 Thread Andrea Neroni
Dear all, I am having issues with my laptop wifi (Debian Bullseye). The connection comes and goes making using internet impossible.I assumed a firmware problem, so I tried several versions of the firmware-iwlwifi.deb package without improvements.Specifically I tried the versions 20190114, 202103

WiFi issue on Bullseye

2023-12-21 Thread Andrea Neroni
Dear all, I am having issues with my laptop wifi (Debian Bullseye). The connection comes and goes making using internet impossible.I assumed a firmware problem, so I tried several versions of the firmware-iwlwifi.deb package without improvements.Specifically I tried the versions 20190114, 20210

Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...)

2023-12-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 12:51 AM wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:30:42AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > [...] > > > See systemd-timedated.service(8) and org.freedesktop.timedate1(5) > > > > busctl introspect org.freedesktop.timedate1 /org/freedesktop/timedate1 > > # Values are stripped > > or

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 10:50, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:31:06AM -0500, Pocket wrote: All you should be seeing is scans which you can not prevent. I am looking at incoming packets with tcpdump. This sees packets *before* they are filtered by iptables. What are you using for

Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...)

2023-12-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:04:35AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: [...] > I think you will find a fair number of Unix & Linux servers set a > default timezone. I sometimes have to set TZ in my bashrc because of > an unexpected default timezone. Or that's been my experience at the > GCC Compile Farm

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Alain D D Williams
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:39:40AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 10:50, Alain D D Williams wrote: > > It is NOT a firewall issue. > > > If I am correct you don't want any thing from the outside to hit your web > server? The words "web server" is ambiguous. It can mean my machine, ie can

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Pocket
On 12/21/23 13:04, Alain D D Williams wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:39:40AM -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/21/23 10:50, Alain D D Williams wrote: It is NOT a firewall issue. If I am correct you don't want any thing from the outside to hit your web server? The words "web server" is ambiguou

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 21/12/2023 15:11, Pocket wrote: On 12/21/23 09:58, Alain D D Williams wrote: [cut] Use a firewall and set it up correctly. Assuming a residential environment. Firewall the router and server(s) as well as all the client machines. I have nginx, dovecot and exim4 and other daemons running

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread debian-user
Alain D D Williams wrote: > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:11:08AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > Use a firewall and set it up correctly. > > That I have done. > > The issue is broadband usage - ie before it hits the firewall. IIUC you have a residential system with an ISP connection with a download

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:36:06PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > I have another guess. systemd-timedated is activated on demand and reads > /etc/localtime. It exits a half of a minute later. Perhaps second command > caused start of new process since the old one was dead already. Hmm. OK, logs do se

Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Gary Dale
Several days ago my main server upgraded to kernel 6.1.0-16 but various other devices that are also running Bookworm seem stuck at 6.1.0-13. They are all using the same architecture. Some are using the same mirror as the server that upgraded. I haven't set any special policies on upgrades. Can

Re: Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 09:02:34AM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: > Several days ago my main server upgraded to kernel 6.1.0-16 but various > other devices that are also running Bookworm seem stuck at 6.1.0-13. They > are all using the same architecture. Some are using the same mirror as the > server that

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread gene heskett
On 12/21/23 07:38, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:08:26AM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: and what would the systemd way to synch the RTC (Real Time Clock) and UTC? I don't understand this question at all. The system clock value is normally written to the RTC as a backup whe

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread gene heskett
On 12/21/23 07:45, Tim Woodall wrote: On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Alain D D Williams wrote: My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input traffic. This is unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to achieve but suspect no good. It is also eating my broadband allowance. This doe

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 02:51:50PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > can us see your /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf? And, do you have a > /var/log/ntpsec subdir ownwd by ntpsec:ntpsec? unicorn:~$ ls -ld /var/log/ntpsec /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf ls: cannot access '/var/log/ntpsec': No such file or directory -rw-r--r

Fwd: Re: Problem Installing WebMO.23.0.17

2023-12-21 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I'm hoping for some help is solving this problem. An excellent discussion of the installation  of WebMO is www/webmo.net Forwarded Message Subject:Re: Problem Installing WebMO.23.0.17 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:36:54 -0500 From: Stephen P. Molnar To: JR Schmidt

Re: Where is "LADSPA Noise Suppressor for Voice" for Kdenlive?

2023-12-21 Thread Leela Vam
I followed these instructions and when I load Kdenlive I do not see the effect under LDASPA Plugins. The instructions say Kdenlive will see the plugin automatically, but mine does not. Is there an extra configuration step required to tell Kdenlive where the effect is at and to load it? I have th

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread gene heskett
On 12/21/23 15:04, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 02:51:50PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: can us see your /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf? And, do you have a /var/log/ntpsec subdir ownwd by ntpsec:ntpsec? unicorn:~$ ls -ld /var/log/ntpsec /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf ls: cannot access '/var/log/ntps

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 at 02:40, Felix Miata wrote: > > Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-20 00:28 (UTC): > > > I am curious to know from Debian > > GRUBbers (as it were) if the behaviour I am describing in this thread > > is expected... > > I suspect few if any regulars here spend much time with Sla

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 03:34:49PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > unforch it does not create them and in my recent experience it may run but > does not work without being able to log. That would be a bug, given that this stats directory is apparently optional. (It logs through syslog just fine with

Formal reminder of Codes of Conduct [WAS Re: Could we please cease this thread now?]

2023-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:12:36AM -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/21/23 09:46, Brad Rogers wrote: > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:25:26 -0500 > > Pocket wrote: > > > > Hello Pocket, > > > > > Forwarded Message > > Putting a private message on the list, without sender's consent, is

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 at 06:01, David Wright wrote: > > > I can't see anywhere where the OP claims to have set up LFS for > booting itself, as opposed to being booted from a Debian Grub. > It only says "I have been able to get a grub.cfg including the > LFS system …", which seems to imply LFS has on

Re: systemd and timezone (was: Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...)

2023-12-21 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-21): > I've sometimes the impression that desktop environments are losing > the concept pf multi-user operating systems and are regreding to > something like Windows 95. Desktop environment and the “modern” applications designed for them had already lost the ability to p

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 at 21:38, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > So I rebuilt my LFS (was happy to do so, this is a learning exercise) > with its own /boot partition, which gets me closer to the solution I > want which is one Grub, Debian's grub, with Debian as the first and > default boot choice, but LFS

Re: Formal reminder of Codes of Conduct [WAS Re: Could we please cease this thread now?]

2023-12-21 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:36:00 + "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > Replies to you which are specifically marked as replies off-list are > private. Don't repost private information. The normal expectation is > that the list is public and communication to the list is public. > If someone specifically

Re: Help: network abuse

2023-12-21 Thread David Christensen
On 12/21/23 04:00, Alain D D Williams wrote: My home PC is receiving, for hours at a time, 12-30 kB/s input traffic. This is unsolicited. I do not know what it is trying to achieve but suspect no good. It is also eating my broadband allowance. This does not show up in the Apache log files - the

Re: RTC and (old) Windows [was: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...]

2023-12-21 Thread David Christensen
On 12/21/23 04:22, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I used to work in a shop Back Then (TM) (roughly Windows 3.1). We did C programs for a living and had a mix of Windows boxes and Linux boxes. Windows boxes were "naive" and had local time. We had a time zone with summer and winter time. On time transi

Clarification: public private replies [WAS Re: Formal reminder of Codes of Conduct]

2023-12-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 02:59:26PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:36:00 + > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > Replies to you which are specifically marked as replies off-list are > > private. Don't repost private information. The normal expectation is > > that the list

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 22:15, Felix Miata wrote: > > I can't answer why Grub scripts to what the do, because I don't really use > them, > and don't need to understand much about them. Grub config files in > /boot/grub/ are > akin to scripts, but they are really simple, mainly just command script

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread gene heskett
On 12/21/23 16:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 03:34:49PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: unforch it does not create them and in my recent experience it may run but does not work without being able to log. That would be a bug, given that this stats directory is apparently optional.

Re: Clarification: public private replies [WAS Re: Formal reminder of Codes of Conduct]

2023-12-21 Thread David Christensen
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 02:59:26PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: Clarification, please. Occasionally a miss-configured mail reader will cause a private off-list reply, which the correspondent does not notice. My usual response to that sort of thing is to suggest that the correspondent fix his mail

Re: systemd and timezone

2023-12-21 Thread gene heskett
On 12/21/23 16:54, Nicolas George wrote: to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-21): I've sometimes the impression that desktop environments are losing the concept pf multi-user operating systems and are regreding to something like Windows 95. Desktop environment and the “modern” applications designed for

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
Mark Fletcher composed on 2023-12-21 21:30 (UTC): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I suspect few if any regulars here spend much time with Slackware. > I am genuinely confused about how Slackware came into the picture > here... my foreign OS is LFS, nothing to do with slackware as far as I > know... Pur

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:33:13PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > >From one PC here currently booted: > # grep vmlinuz /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l > 21 > # grep root= /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l > 21 > # grep root=LABEL /boot/grub2/custom.cfg | wc -l > 21 Just for the record, grep -c (count mat

Re: systemd and timezone

2023-12-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 10:06 AM Max Nikulin wrote: > On 21/12/2023 12:33, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > . > > > > Double ugh. > > > > UNIX got that right from the start. Now this crazy notion "the computer > > HAS to have a timezone of its own" is creeping in. > > Even admins may wish to see local

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 21:38:46 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 at 06:01, David Wright wrote: > > > > I can't see anywhere where the OP claims to have set up LFS for > > booting itself, as opposed to being booted from a Debian Grub. > > It only says "I have been able to get a gr

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 06:38:55 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:52:33PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 20 Dec 2023 at 08:37:46 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:00:29AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Y

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 07:15:12 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 10:52:33PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > Sorry for the synecdoche, but I think it expresses the comprehensive > > setting of UTC across the entirety of the computer and its operating > > system, from the RTC, th

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Max Nikulin
On 20/12/2023 22:04, Greg Wooledge wrote: The key point here is that you don't STORE these human-readable time strings anywhere. You simply *produce* them on demand, using the epoch time values that you *do* store. Greg, I agree to almost everything you write, however I believe that text ti

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 07:31:31PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > Bear in mind that I was explaining my use of "all-UTC machine". > Were you to construct such a beast, I think the first thing you > might set, actively, is the RTC. You wouldn't just assume that > it was already set to UTC. > > What w

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? (but on original thread topic, not so much)

2023-12-21 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2023-12-21 19:20 (UTC-0600): > On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 21:38:46 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote: >> My very first attempt involved using Debian's >> /boot partition as the /boot partition for LFS as well, so installing >> LFS's kernel (6.4.12 IIRC) alongside Debian's, but I qu

Re: Is there a problem with Linux-image-6.1.0-16?

2023-12-21 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 09:02:34 -0500 Gary Dale wrote: > Several days ago my main server upgraded to kernel 6.1.0-16 but > various other devices that are also running Bookworm seem stuck at > 6.1.0-13. They are all using the same architecture. Some are using > the same mirror as the server that upgr

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? (but on original thread topic, not so much)

2023-12-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 22:19:47 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2023-12-21 19:20 (UTC-0600): > > On Thu 21 Dec 2023 at 21:38:46 (+), Mark Fletcher wrote: > > >> My very first attempt involved using Debian's > >> /boot partition as the /boot partition for LFS as well, so i

Re: difference in seconds between two formatted dates ...

2023-12-21 Thread tomas
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 09:15:27AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 20/12/2023 22:04, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The key point here is that you don't STORE these human-readable time > > strings anywhere. You simply *produce* them on demand, using the > > epoch time values that you *do* store. > > G

Re: GRUB -- Debian overrides? Or maybe I just don't understand it well...

2023-12-21 Thread Anssi Saari
Mark Fletcher writes > The question is, what values are config_directory and prefix set to? Grub sets config_directory to point to the directory where it's reading it's config from. In other words, /boot. But why not just use 40_custom? It copies whatever is in the file (after the header) to yo