Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Vincent Lammens
Op 24/03/2020 om 17:32 schreef Gene Heskett: > I'd assume that I could put the pi files in the same sandbox? Thats > somewhat confusing because www-data doesn't exist as a user on either > machine. But it works on this amd64 machine, but a chown doesn't work on > the pi. Humm, pi is not a membe

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 08:47:32 David wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 20:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 04:38:10 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:09:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Monday 23 March 2020 15:16:33 Joe wrote: > > > > > > One

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:30:03 -0500 Dave Sherohman wrote: > I expect that there would be much, much less resistance to systemd if > that were all that it does. However, it has evolved to take over a > number of other functions aside from managing the order that services > are started, which makes

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 09:38:08 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 06:42:44 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:04:10 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Lu, 23 mar 20, 18:42:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Thats a problem I don't have Greg. I went to a locally defin

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
deloptes writes: > Kamil Jońca wrote: > >> But always try :) systemd-resolved also. >> >> I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved  (I wasn't aware of >> its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working properly. >> >> I simply like unix approach ("do one thing") and systemd

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 06:03:47PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > How can I configure resolved to do something like: > eth - interface > tun1 - interface to vpn1 with domains a, b, c > tun2 - interface to vpn2 with domains d, e > > I want to resolve domains a,b,c with dns server in vpn1 and domains

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 09:45:49 deloptes wrote: > Rick Thomas wrote: > > The covid-19 situation is giving me lots of free time recently, so > > I've ordered a Raspberry Pi 4 with delivery expected sometime this > > week. > > Can you explain to me what type of storage you intend to setup on the >

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Ansgar
kjo...@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes: > deloptes writes: >> Kamil Jońca wrote: >>> But always try :) systemd-resolved also. >>> >>> I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved  (I wasn't aware of >>> its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working properly. >>> >>> I simpl

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-03-24 17:22 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In buster many things are indeed disabled by default, however this will > likely change for bullseye. > > I believe the persistent journal is already enabled by default now Indeed, but this is easy to change and does not do much harm, except taki

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 12:55:24 Vincent Lammens wrote: > Op 24/03/2020 om 17:32 schreef Gene Heskett: > > I'd assume that I could put the pi files in the same sandbox? Thats > > somewhat confusing because www-data doesn't exist as a user on > > either machine. But it works on this amd64 machine,

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
G.W. Haywood wrote: > A good point I missed.  I should have said in my previous post that > the USB interface devices that I used on the Pi 4B were both USB2 and > USB3 varieties, and that there doesn't seem to be a difference in the > reliability between the two.  An addendum: the discs themselve

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kenneth Parker wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 10:12 AM deloptes wrote: > >> Kamil Jońca wrote: >> >> > But always try :) systemd-resolved also. >> > >> > I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved (I wasn't aware >> > of its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working properly

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
Greg Wooledge writes: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 06:03:47PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: >> How can I configure resolved to do something like: >> eth - interface >> tun1 - interface to vpn1 with domains a, b, c >> tun2 - interface to vpn2 with domains d, e >> >> I want to resolve domains a,b,c with

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
Ansgar writes: > kjo...@poczta.onet.pl (Kamil Jońca) writes: >> deloptes writes: >>> Kamil Jońca wrote: But always try :) systemd-resolved also. I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved  (I wasn't aware of its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working p

Re: Installing Debiam

2020-03-24 Thread davidson
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Chocolate Island Prince wrote: This information is wowfactor 10! This opener is a spamfactor 11. I never knew any of this. We have no idea what "this" is, or what you are talking about. You are burying the lede. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bury_the_lede#Verb On

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kenneth Parker
Thanks. Star added. Kenneth Parker On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 2:57 PM deloptes wrote: > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 10:12 AM deloptes wrote: > > > >> Kamil Jońca wrote: > >> > >> > But always try :) systemd-resolved also. > >> > > >> > I lost a lot of time struggling with sys

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Reco wrote: > Actually, deloptes is right and you're not. > > Kernel's documentation - [1] - describes a way to force a kernel itself > to configure a network interface for IPv4, be it static or DHCP, along > with the primitive routing table (default gw at most). > > Taking IPv6's RA into the ac

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Joe
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:44:54 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > The interface is what matters when you're travelling with a laptop. > [Looks around carefully for signs of a thunderstorm] Don't laugh, but I've found Network Manager on my mobiles quite useful and reliable for handling wired, wifi and

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
David Wright wrote: > I looked at what documentation I could find, but carried on using > wicd-curses, and the arch wiki seems to agree with what I found: > > "systemd-networkd does not have a proper interactive management > interface neither via command-line nor graphical". > > The interface is

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kamil Jońca wrote: > As I said: I did not know that systemd-resolved install with some > upgrade, and then takes my dns resolving. When I realised existence of > it, I turned it off immediately. why would I use a tool without reading the manual?! I always admire my wife :) Good that I am reading

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Ansgar wrote: > Because it doesn't. > >> When I realised existence of it, I turned it off immediately. > > Then you must have enabled it first. > Ansagar - you know this mentality "Next -> Next" and never read anything what is written on screen ... I know it from Windows ;-) People jump witho

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > [1] didn't bother to investigate whether these are using 'zeroconf' or > some other similar technology, they just work. No they do not. It took me one whole day to find out why the networking was not working between a HP switch and a RHEL server with LACP enabled. Found ou

Re: Installing Debiam

2020-03-24 Thread Tom Browder
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 14:18 davidson wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020, Chocolate Island Prince wrote: > > > This information is wowfactor 10! Besides online help, you might check for a Linux User Group near you, e.g., see mine at: https://nwflug.org -Tom

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kamil Jońca wrote: > I know. :) I have had dnsmasq (+ some if-up/if-down scripts) configured > that way. > This was simple example why I do not like integration several things > into systemd. > First of all I want to highlight thatthere should be always lessons learned. Next time you plan major

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
deloptes writes: > Ansgar wrote: > >> Because it doesn't. >> >>> When I realised existence of it, I turned it off immediately. >> >> Then you must have enabled it first. >> > > Ansagar - you know this mentality "Next -> Next" and never read anything > what is written on screen ... I know it fr

how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Patrick Scribus
Hello, two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the pictures and the like require too much time and effort to keep in sync. At first I wrote a littl

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
deloptes writes: [...] > > AFAIK everything is possible, but the systemd-way. Learn the way to walk it. > Most probably you will end up with much better solution. Any hint? I tried (but not very hard, to be honest) to migrate my if-up/if-down/dhclient-hooks scripts to systemd but without succes.

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kamil Jońca wrote: > Personal attack detected. Have you anything interesting to say? > Not at all, because I was writing obviously to Ansgar. > Yes, it is possible that I issue "aptitude update; aptitude > safe-upgrade", and accept new dependecies without deeper look, but > that's all. There we

Documentation for gufw message "UFW AUDIT"

2020-03-24 Thread C.T.F. Jansen
Greetings, Where is documentation that describes the messages from gufw or ufw please. Of particular interest are lines in syslog and journalctl output with UFW AUDIT in them. What does this mean ? There are queries on the Ubuntu forums but no usable answer. Nothin

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 22:05:40 +0100 Patrick Scribus wrote: Hello Patrick, >But I hope for a solution that automates this Would setting up a cron job to run your script do? -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" It's o

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Brian Sammon
I've been using Unison (https://packages.debian.org/buster/unison-gtk -- there's also a commandline package) for quite a few years (a decade?) now. It works well.

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 22:05:40, Patrick Scribus wrote: > Hello, > > two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed > packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and > the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the pictures and > the like require too

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-03-24 01:43, Rick Thomas wrote: On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Lammens wrote: openmediavault. Are there plugins to handle NFS (for Linux clients) and AFP (for Mac clients)? Or (since both of them do speak SMB, whatever it's limitations) is SMB/ftp/ssh considered suff

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-03-24 03:49, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:20:35 Vincent Lammens wrote: Op 2020-03-24 om 10:56 schreef Gene Heskett: Is this something I could use to ease my support burden in trying to supply an rpi4 version of LinuxCNC? As it is, I am building it and its preempt-rt

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Patrick Scribus wrote: > What do you guys > use for similar tasks? I guess from share to a cloud. I spent a lot of time in phone sync via bluetooth (calendar, contacts, todos and notes). The PC does not have any data on it - there is a share. From outside - VPN to the share. Keep your data at

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kamil Jońca wrote: > Any hint? I tried (but not very hard, to be honest) to migrate my > if-up/if-down/dhclient-hooks scripts to systemd but without succes. > For example how to get "domains" from dhcp options and create proper > *.network file with "Domains=" setting? Don't know what you are tal

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-03-24 14:05, Patrick Scribus wrote: Hello, two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the pictures and the like require too much time and eff

Re: Documentation for gufw message "UFW AUDIT"

2020-03-24 Thread songbird
C.T.F. Jansen wrote: > Greetings, > > Where is documentation that describes the messages from gufw or ufw please. > > Of particular interest are lines in syslog and journalctl output with > > UFW AUDIT > > in them. What does this mean ? > There are queries on the Ubun

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread der.hans
Am 24. Mar, 2020 schwätzte Patrick Scribus so: moin moin Patrick, Hello, two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the pictures and the like requi

Night light, sunset and sunrise times in Gnome

2020-03-24 Thread Anil Felipe Duggirala
hello, I am running Gnome in Debian Buster, which comes with the Night Light feature. I have set up night light in the Sunset/Sunrise setting. I have also correcly set my timezone (location?). My issue is, sunset is coming and Night Light is gettin activated way after this time. I would like to ask

Re: Night light, sunset and sunrise times in Gnome

2020-03-24 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 24 Mar, 2020 at 18:24:04 -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > hello, > I am running Gnome in Debian Buster, which comes with the Night Light > feature. I have set up night light in the Sunset/Sunrise setting. I > have also correcly set my timezone (location?). My issue is, sunset is > comi

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Peter Ehlert
On 3/24/20 3:14 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 24 mar 20, 22:05:40, Patrick Scribus wrote: Hello, two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the

Re: Night light, sunset and sunrise times in Gnome

2020-03-24 Thread Anil Felipe Duggirala
On Tue, 2020-03-24 at 23:31 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > Are the dawn and dusk times correct in the Night Light configuration > window? > There are two options. Manual or Sunset/Sunrise in Night light settings. If I choose Sunset/Sunrise, I believe, the system is supposed to get the Sunset/Sunrise

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Mark Allums
On 3/24/20 4:05 PM, Patrick Scribus wrote: Hello, two of my computers have a similar role as desktop. The installed packages are nearly the same, the configuration is nearly the same and the stored data in /home also. Especially the texts, the pictures and the like require too much time and effo

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 18:46:00 David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-03-24 03:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:20:35 Vincent Lammens wrote: > >> Op 2020-03-24 om 10:56 schreef Gene Heskett: > >>> Is this something I could use to ease my support burden in trying > >>> to supp

Re: Night light, sunset and sunrise times in Gnome

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 19:05:32 (-0500), Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > On Tue, 2020-03-24 at 23:31 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > > Are the dawn and dusk times correct in the Night Light configuration > > window? > > > There are two options. Manual or Sunset/Sunrise in Night light > settings. If I c

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 20:34:24 (+0100), deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I looked at what documentation I could find, but carried on using > > wicd-curses, and the arch wiki seems to agree with what I found: > > > > "systemd-networkd does not have a proper interactive management > > in

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, at 6:45 AM, deloptes wrote: > Rick Thomas wrote: > > The covid-19 situation is giving me lots of free time recently, so I've > > ordered a Raspberry Pi 4 with delivery expected sometime this week. > Can you explain to me what type of storage you intend to setup on the pi4 -

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
deloptes writes: > Kamil Jońca wrote: > >> Any hint? I tried (but not very hard, to be honest) to migrate my >> if-up/if-down/dhclient-hooks scripts to systemd but without succes. >> For example how to get "domains" from dhcp options and create proper >> *.network file with "Domains=" setting? >

Re: how to keep 2 PCs partially in sync

2020-03-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:26:31 -0500 Mark Allums wrote: > Syncthing. > > https://syncthing.net/ Concur on Syncthing. Since it is near-instantaneous, so are oopses. For that I use rsnapshot. Some other thoughts on backups. http://charlescurley.com/blog/posts/2019/Nov/02/backups-on-linux/ -- Doe

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, at 9:28 PM, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:43:43 -0700 > "Rick Thomas" wrote: > > > Can anybody suggest a good NAS package? Debian based is preferable, > > but almost any Linux will do. > > I find a combination of plain vanilla Samba and nextcloud do me q

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Vincent Lammens
Op Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:54:14 +0100 deloptes schreef: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> Vincent Lammens > >> https://vincentlammens.net > > > > Access denied. Cert problem. > > This was a good one, Gene :) > > But lets give the youth a chance :) > > Vincent, when I open http://vincentlammens.net i

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:09:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 23 March 2020 15:16:33 Joe wrote: [...] > > You might add 5a): Why? > > > > There's not exactly a burning need to compress text into illegibility > > to save disc space [...] > NONE Thats my Main objection to it [...]

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 01:15:28PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:31:33PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > [...] > > I know it's a sensitive subject, and I really don't want to upset the list, > > there's been enough of that already, but why are some people so afra

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Lammens wrote: > Hi Rick > > You could try openmediavault. It has an iso for the raspberrypi, and > comes with a smb, ftp and ssh system preinstalled, so serving all kinds > of client os's should be no problem. It also has a webgui, and has a few >

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Vincent Lammens
Op 2020-03-24 om 9:43 schreef Rick Thomas: > Thanks, Vincent. That looks very interesting. Are there plugins to handle > NFS (for Linux clients) and AFP (for Mac clients)? Or (since both of them do > speak SMB, whatever it's limitations) is SMB/ftp/ssh considered sufficient > for all? Yes, N

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 04:43:18 Rick Thomas wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Lammens wrote: > > Hi Rick > > > > You could try openmediavault. It has an iso for the raspberrypi, and > > comes with a smb, ftp and ssh system preinstalled, so serving all > > kinds of client os's s

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 04:38:10 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:09:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 23 March 2020 15:16:33 Joe wrote: > > [...] > > > > You might add 5a): Why? > > > > > > There's not exactly a burning need to compress text into > > > illegibilit

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Vincent Lammens
Op 2020-03-24 om 10:56 schreef Gene Heskett: > Is this something I could use to ease my support burden in trying to > supply an rpi4 version of LinuxCNC? > > As it is, I am building it and its preempt-rt kernel on the pi, but have > to jump thru perms hoops to move those builds to this machine f

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 23 mar 20, 18:42:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thats a problem I don't have Greg. I went to a locally defined hosts file > 30+ years ago for all my private resolutions, and it Just Works. Queries > that go out on the wire for resolution are relayed to the dns services > of my provider. Reso

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 05:41:17AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 04:38:10 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:09:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 23 March 2020 15:16:33 Joe wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > > You might add 5a): Why? > > > >

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 23 mar 20, 19:51:18, Kamil Jońca wrote: > But now systemd wants: > - manage network interfaces > - do name resolving > - and so on. > and quite often it cannot do it properly (ie. with little more > complicated configuration). systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurat

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:20:35 Vincent Lammens wrote: > Op 2020-03-24 om 10:56 schreef Gene Heskett: > > Is this something I could use to ease my support burden in trying to > > supply an rpi4 version of LinuxCNC? > > > > As it is, I am building it and its preempt-rt kernel on the pi, but > > h

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:04:10 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 23 mar 20, 18:42:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thats a problem I don't have Greg. I went to a locally defined hosts > > file 30+ years ago for all my private resolutions, and it Just > > Works. Queries that go out on the wire for resol

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 11:14:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > [1] I can't check, since I have no systemd installed. But have >you tried "man -k systemd"? On stretch with systemd-container installed: $ apropos systemd | wc -l 180 The long name helps to pick out what you need from that. Kind regards,

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 06:42:44AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > My own posting about it in just the past year, but that posting was only > done after the problem was solved. As its a bit hard to post from the > machine that has a bogus routing setup. With dhcpd5 (I think thats the > right name)

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:49:20PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 24 mar 20, 11:14:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [1] I can't check, since I have no systemd installed. But have > >you tried "man -k systemd"? > > On stretch with systemd-container installed: > > $ apropos systemd | wc -

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 23 mar 20, 13:12:02, Dan Ritter wrote: > > systemd started with a good idea: let's make an init system that solves > the problems of sysvinit. They then proceeded to ignore the long > history of people writing software to do that, and chose: > > - a heavyweight implementation > - written a

Re: installing with Flatpak

2020-03-24 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Mon, 23 Mar, 2020 at 17:58:05 -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote: > hello, > I would like to ask if there are any drawbacks in installing software > using Flatpak. As far as I understand, this installation method > installs packages in an isolated way (whatever that means). > I would imagine th

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 06:42:44, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:04:10 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 23 mar 20, 18:42:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > For the "vast majority of system's", as I install them, the first > > > thing I have to do is uninstall that stuff as it has yet in

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 12:49:20, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 24 mar 20, 11:14:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [1] I can't check, since I have no systemd installed. But have > >you tried "man -k systemd"? > > On stretch with systemd-container installed: Correction: buster > $ apropos systemd |

Re: How can I see only the latest change log of packages before update ?

2020-03-24 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Tue, 24 Mar, 2020 at 00:35:39 +0200, Anastasios Lisgaras wrote: > Hello, > > My update/upgrade system script is about that : > sudo apt update && sudo apt list --upgradable -a && sudo apt > dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y && sudo apt autoclean -y && > sudo apt clean -y > > But I want

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Vincent Lammens
Op 2020-03-24 om 11:49 schreef Gene Heskett: > Apache2 that is. I assume I'll have to setup the web page on the pi to > serve the stuff up first? I haven't done that yet. Thereby divorcing it > from sshfs etc? Yeah, once you can access the files on the Apache install on the rpi, you can set up t

Re: How can I see only the latest change log of packages before update ?

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 11:40:56 (+), Liam O'Toole wrote: > On Tue, 24 Mar, 2020 at 00:35:39 +0200, Anastasios Lisgaras wrote: > > 2) With the "changelog" I got the change logs, but i think i'm not just > > getting the last ones .. > > > > apt changelog openssh-client : https://pastebin.com/raw

Another possible device (was: Re: OT: Questions about (buying and) using a laptop docking station)

2020-03-24 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:37:48 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > In that other thread, I point out that I decided to buy a Wavlink 3.0 > docking station (with HDMI, DVI, and VGA video outputs) (on sale today at > Newegg) and a dual USB 3.0 ExpressCard on ebay (for under $10). Hmm, just by acciden

Re: Another possible device (was: Re: OT: Questions about (buying and) using a laptop docking station)

2020-03-24 Thread Dan Ritter
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Hmm, just by accident today, I came across another device that could possibly > do the job (in kind of a MacGyver-like approach ;-) > > I'll give a link to it, mention the price, point out the problems that might > prevent it from doing the job, before I say that I d

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > For me there's also a clear benefit to having everything well > integrated, with the same configuration file format, similar concepts, > etc. > > And why should I install a "full" network configuration program, DNS > resolver, ntp daemon, etc. when the systemd tools alr

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread David
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 20:57, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 04:38:10 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 04:09:14PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 23 March 2020 15:16:33 Joe wrote: > > One basic rule of science and engineering should read "if you want

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kamil Jońca
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Lu, 23 mar 20, 19:51:18, Kamil Jońca wrote: >> But now systemd wants: >> - manage network interfaces >> - do name resolving >> - and so on. >> and quite often it cannot do it properly (ie. with little more >> complicated configuration). > > systemd-networkd is not mea

Re: Another possible device (was: Re: OT: Questions about (buying and) using a laptop docking station)

2020-03-24 Thread Joe
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:32:27 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >* because the device is a USB hub, maybe the laptop could be > connected to one of the USB 3.0 ports USB hubs are not peer-peer like the old Ethernet hubs. USB is a (quite complex) master-submaster-slave protocol with each device

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 04:38:10 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > There are valid reasons for systemd's binary format. Space savings > is very far off the top of the list (probably it isn't on that list > at all). Can you (or someone else) elaborate on that a little? (Aside: I don't (yet -- or at

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread tomas
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 08:55:32AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 04:38:10 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > There are valid reasons for systemd's binary format. Space savings > > is very far off the top of the list (probably it isn't on that list > > at all). > > Can y

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 Rick Thomas wrote: ... I've ordered a Raspberry Pi 4 ... I hope that it doesn't turn out that you were impetuous. I know that I was, when I bought my first 4B, and tried to use it instead of my desktop machine for browsing, mail, and a bunch of X sessions. It w

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Rick Thomas wrote: > The covid-19 situation is giving me lots of free time recently, so I've > ordered a Raspberry Pi 4 with delivery expected sometime this week. Can you explain to me what type of storage you intend to setup on the pi4 - USB3 disks? Does someone has experience with USB3 disks -

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 09:59:25AM +0100, Renato Gallo wrote: > Rly, systemd is, between things, a way to be sure when and after what > something starts isn't it ? I expect that there would be much, much less resistance to systemd if that were all that it does. However, it has evolved to take ov

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 06:42:44 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2020 06:04:10 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 23 mar 20, 18:42:49, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Thats a problem I don't have Greg. I went to a locally defined hosts > > > file 30+ years ago for all my private resolution

Re: Another possible device (was: Re: OT: Questions about (buying and) using a laptop docking station)

2020-03-24 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 09:10:16 AM Joe wrote: > USB hubs are not peer-peer like the old Ethernet hubs. USB is a (quite > complex) master-submaster-slave protocol with each device negotiating > for speed and bandwidth with the one 'above'. The electronics of a USB > hub shares out the bandwidth

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurations. > > Why should I install an additional package (e.g. ifupdown, Network > Manager, etc.) just for setting up a static IP? well - for static IP you don't need systemd, but it is a relief for the dynamic st

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Kamil Jońca wrote: > But always try :) systemd-resolved also. > > I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved  (I wasn't aware of > its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working properly. > > I simply like unix approach ("do one thing") and systemd is against it. I think you

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread deloptes
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Zeroconf works fine when configured correctly :P and why should I use zero conf? I hate those Red Hat servers that come up like Windows crap with zero conf and avahi. If you ask me those two are even worse than systemd

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, deloptes wrote: Does someone has experience with USB3 disks - may be in raid1 on the Rpi4? I tried years ago with usb2 disks in raid1 and the results were miserable. A good point I missed. I should have said in my previous post that the USB interface devices t

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 14:19:34 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 08:55:32AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 04:38:10 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > There are valid reasons for systemd's binary format. Space savings > > > is very far off the

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 14:54:15, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Zeroconf works fine when configured correctly :P > > and why should I use zero conf? You? I have no idea :) As far as I'm concerned I do appreciate that the remote control app for my Android box can connect without any c

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 24 mar 20, 14:49:03, deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurations. > > > > Why should I install an additional package (e.g. ifupdown, Network > > Manager, etc.) just for setting up a static IP? > > well - for static IP y

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 00:04:18 + Michael Howard wrote: > On 23/03/2020 23:20, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:15:14 + > > Michael Howard wrote: > > > >> On 23/03/2020 14:28, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:37:47 -0400 > >>> Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 23 mar 20, 13:15:13, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > 4) It does way more than just replace /sbin/init. It has components >that try to bring up network interfaces, implement DNS resolution, >implement NTP, implement cron-like functionality, and so on. Many >people feel this is over-re

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 05:05:27PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 24 mar 20, 14:49:03, deloptes wrote: > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurations. > > > > > > Why should I install an additional package (e.g. ifupdown

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 10:12 AM deloptes wrote: > Kamil Jońca wrote: > > > But always try :) systemd-resolved also. > > > > I lost a lot of time struggling with systemd-resoved (I wasn't aware of > > its existence), guessing why my dnsmasq stopped working properly. > > > > I simply like unix appr

Re: Buster without systemd?

2020-03-24 Thread David Wright
On Tue 24 Mar 2020 at 14:49:03 (+0100), deloptes wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > systemd-networkd is not meant to do very complicated configurations. > > > > Why should I install an additional package (e.g. ifupdown, Network > > Manager, etc.) just for setting up a static IP? > > well - for

Re: NAS software for Raspberry Pi that supports full range of client OS (Win-10, MacOS-X, Linux) ?

2020-03-24 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 00:14:24 -0700 "Rick Thomas" wrote: > Can you explain a little bit about how "plain vanilla Samba" fits > into the nextcloud picture? It doesn't, really. I had Samba running just fine long before I tried nextcloud. When I realized that nextcloud stores files as binary blobs i

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