Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Du, 29 dec 19, 20:21:48, Reco wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 09:40:29AM -0700, ghe wrote: > > Somebody just forgot to enable SSH while preparing the Raspian Buster > > release, it looks like. > > Nope. It was deliberate - [1] (note the "ssh" part). > > > > And I didn't know enough about sys

Re: systemdq [Solved]

On Du, 29 dec 19, 14:57:19, ghe wrote: > > Amazing. I'm a self-taught *nix geek, but I've never seen a release > without SSH. Not since I figured out what SSH is, anyway. Makes me > question the sanity of the otherwise quite rational 'Pi folks. Depending on what you mean by "release" Debian doesn

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 11:23:33, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 08:21:30 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Debian also has an armhf port[1]. > > Not at all obvious from the available downloads selections. I can only guess you are expecting to find ready-made images. Considering the vari

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 15:01:21, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Andrei POPESCU (2019-12-29 14:21:30) > > > > Raspbian (note the 'B') was created because Debian's armhf port requires > > an ARMv7 processor, whereas the original Raspberry Pi (Raspberry Pi 1 > > model B) is ARMv6. > > Raspbian ports

Re: systemdq

On Du, 29 dec 19, 18:57:12, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 05:11:18PM -0500, chris wrote: > > > There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of systemd. > > > > Absolutely not. Myself, I'm not a fan either. > > > > > It

Re: considering a new system and a sshd hybrid drive

On 29.12.2019 15:49, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Hi all, > > I read Alexander's reply with interest at [1] . > > @Alexander, thank you for taking time to answer my question/s . Maybe > you can CC me the next time :) > > What was also interesting in your answer was the use of dark marketing > practises u

On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward acceptance of > systemd [...] I'm not asking for "acceptance of systemd" or something (FWIW I still run

Re: systemdq

Hi. On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:33:28AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > dpkg would not even warn if one would install packages from one on the > other (they are both "armhf"), but the result is hard to predict. For Raspberry Pi the result was predictable. If a package was providing a binar

Re: considering a new system and a sshd hybrid drive

On 29.12.2019 16:56, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 29 December 2019 04:42:20 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > >> On 29.12.2019 12:37, shirish शिरीष wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Last year I had read some articles when I was looking to build a >>> system there seemed to problems with hybrid drives.

Re: systemdq

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 02:57:40PM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > Debian (not rasbian) seems to put sshd into place at installation time. > > charles@hawk:~$ locate sshd.service > /etc/systemd/system/sshd.service > /var/lib/systemd/deb-systemd-helper-enabled/sshd.service > charles@hawk:~$ > > The

Re: systemdq

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > cause because they don't have a mailing list, but a forum generally > populated by uppity folks, [...] That does not mean you can post Raspbian problems HERE.

various raspbian x posts

On Monday 30 December 2019 03:48:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 29 dec 19, 18:57:12, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > > Could you please provide some examples? This one has to do with building a pre-empt-rt kernel for armhf, which allows linuxcnc to run in uspace. But subjectwise it wanders badly

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 15:39:20) > This one has to do with building a pre-empt-rt kernel for armhf, which > allows linuxcnc to run in uspace. But subjectwise it wanders badly but > I'd like to show one full chain of recent events: [ Raspbian details snipped ] How do Debian with linux-

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Monday 30 December 2019 04:23:27 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward > > acceptance of systemd [...] >

Re: considering a new system and a sshd hybrid drive

On Monday 30 December 2019 05:16:51 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > On 29.12.2019 16:56, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 December 2019 04:42:20 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > >> On 29.12.2019 12:37, shirish शिरीष wrote: > >>> Dear all, > >>> > >>> Last year I had read some articles when I wa

New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > cause because they don't have a mailing list, but a forum generally > > populated by uppity fol

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

On Monday 30 December 2019 10:01:59 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 15:39:20) > > > This one has to do with building a pre-empt-rt kernel for armhf, > > which allows linuxcnc to run in uspace. But subjectwise it wanders > > badly but I'd like to show one full chain of re

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 16:48:20) > On Monday 30 December 2019 10:01:59 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 15:39:20) > > > > > This one has to do with building a pre-empt-rt kernel for armhf, > > > which allows linuxcnc to run in uspace. But subjectwise it wan

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 10:13:50 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a > > > lost cause because they don't

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On seg, 30 dez 2019, rhkramer wrote: It would not be that hard to create a new mailing list for raspbian users, maybe over on groups.io (can even be done for free). There are already support channels for raspbian: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a mailing list,

Re: considering a new system and a sshd hybrid drive

On 30.12.2019 20:18, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 30 December 2019 05:16:51 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > >> On 29.12.2019 16:56, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> On Sunday 29 December 2019 04:42:20 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: On 29.12.2019 12:37, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear all, > >

Re: New list for Raspbian?

Eduardo writes: > There are already support channels for raspbian: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a > mailing list, but it's probably better to use that than to split > support in two places. I found the forums helpful early on (I had a beta board and did some debu

Re: No security support for binutils and libqt5webkit5, what to do?

On 12/29/2019 8:44 PM, Andreas wrote: I was supposing that Mark's answer implied that (against general policies of debian and for reasons unknown to me) in this case security changes of upstream would be passed on to debian, even if binutils is "not covered by security support". If this is (pro

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

On Monday 30 December 2019 11:05:15 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 16:48:20) > > > On Monday 30 December 2019 10:01:59 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 15:39:20) > > > > > > > This one has to do with building a pre-empt-rt kernel for armhf,

Re: considering a new system and a sshd hybrid drive

On Monday 30 December 2019 11:38:27 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > On 30.12.2019 20:18, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 30 December 2019 05:16:51 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > >> On 29.12.2019 16:56, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> On Sunday 29 December 2019 04:42:20 Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: >

Re: RCA Cable to USB Video input device

Hi there, Am 2019-12-14 07:45, schrieb Marc Shapiro: I want to copy some videos from VCR and DVD to my computer for editing (simple stuff, like removing commercials).  I found this device on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Converter-Capture-Support-Android/dp/B06X42H9VZ/ref=sr_1_3?m=A3E

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday, December 30, 2019 10:40:42 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > There are already support channels for raspbian: > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a > mailing list, but it's probably better to use that than to split > support in two places. Disclaimer: I don't

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 18:37:34) > On Monday 30 December 2019 11:05:15 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 16:48:20) > > > > > On Monday 30 December 2019 10:01:59 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 15:39:20) > > > > > > > > > This

Re: No security support for binutils and libqt5webkit5, what to do?

Quoting Mark Allums (2019-12-30 18:29:07) > > On 12/29/2019 8:44 PM, Andreas wrote: > > I was supposing that Mark's answer implied that (against general > > policies of debian and for reasons unknown to me) in this case > > security changes of upstream would be passed on to debian, even if > >

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:23:27 +0100 wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 29 December 2019 17:19:06 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [...] > > > Unforch Tomas, we are not likely to see any progress toward acceptance of > > systemd [...] > > I'm not ask

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 12:40:14 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 10:40:42 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > There are already support channels for raspbian: > > https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/ . True, it's a forum, not a > > mailing list, but it's probably better t

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

On Monday 30 December 2019 13:26:27 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 18:37:34) > > > On Monday 30 December 2019 11:05:15 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 16:48:20) > > > > > > > On Monday 30 December 2019 10:01:59 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

Goodness. My asking for a little help with systemd seems to have started the closest thing to a flame war I remember seeing on a Debian mailing list. I apologize for that, but I learned a lot. SSH works now, but I can't get my own *.service file to work at boot (does manually, though), but I now h

Re: RCA Cable to USB Video input device

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 18:31:57 +0100 Christian Seiler wrote: > the main problem we ran > into were that different chips are sold in the same format - so > just from looking at it from the outside it is unclear what > chip is actually used there. There appears to be Linux support > for some of the c

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:49:36PM -0700, ghe wrote: > SSH works now, but I can't > get my own *.service file to work at boot (does manually, though), but I > now have several things to look for. Did you forget to "enable" it? See also .

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:12 AM Eduardo M KALINOWSKI < edua...@kalinowski.com.br> wrote: > On seg, 30 dez 2019, rhkramer wrote: > > It would not be that hard to create a new mailing list for raspbian > users, > > maybe over on groups.io (can even be done for free). > > There are already support c

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, ghe wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:49:36 > From: ghe > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq) > Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:06:09 + (UTC) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Goodness. My asking for a

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 14:49:36 ghe wrote: > Goodness. My asking for a little help with systemd seems to have > started the closest thing to a flame war I remember seeing on a Debian > mailing list. > > I apologize for that, but I learned a lot. SSH works now, but I can't > get my own *.servic

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:49:36 -0700 ghe wrote: > A systemd-user list would be a good idea too. I'll second that. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: various raspbian x posts

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 09:39:20, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 30 December 2019 03:48:54 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Du, 29 dec 19, 18:57:12, Gene Heskett wrote: > [...] > > > > Could you please provide some examples? [sniped stuff on Raspbian and Linux rt kernels] I was asking for examples of

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:00:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Yes, debian has a "debian-arm" mailing list but its miss-named as its > actually for debian-arm-devels only as has been made very plain to me on > several occasions when I have posted pleas for user help to it. I've had success with ARM speci

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 21:00:55) > If debian was serious about supporting the "arm's" that would have > been fixed several years ago by moving that list and its contents to > "debian-arm-devel", and instituting a new "debian-arm-users" list. Ahhh. We have struggled for ages in Debian

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:23:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > cause because [...] > > Please, don't misrepresent me. I *never* "chased anyone off" from > asking r

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 13:14:55, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 12:49:36 -0700 > ghe wrote: > > > A systemd-user list would be a good idea too. > > I'll second that. -1 from me. There's nothing so special about systemd that would require a dedicated list. Kind regards, Andrei -- http

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Monday 30 December 2019 15:16:34 Jude DaShiell wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, ghe wrote: > > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:49:36 > > From: ghe > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq) > > Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 20:06:09 + (UTC) > >

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:13:50, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, December 30, 2019 08:48:20 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > > cause because they don't have a m

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

On Monday 30 December 2019 16:49:14 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 21:00:55) > > > If debian was serious about supporting the "arm's" that would have > > been fixed several years ago by moving that list and its contents to > > "debian-arm-devel", and instituting a new "

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:34:43PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:23:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 06:57:12PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > Chasing us off from asking raspbian related questions here, is a lost > > > cause because [...] > > >

Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)

On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Did you forget to "enable" it? Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's running. But is isn't. > See also . Already saw it :-) I'm missing something that is going to be patently ob

Re: various raspbian x posts

On 12/30/19 2:22 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > I was asking for examples of non-meaningful systemd error messages. Oh > well... I've got one, Andrei: "Systemd service ssh cannot be created unless command is given" That's systemd saying it needs a command. Search the web for "systemd command" and

Re: various raspbian x posts

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:50:32, ghe wrote: > On 12/30/19 2:22 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > I was asking for examples of non-meaningful systemd error messages. Oh > > well... > > I've got one, Andrei: > > "Systemd service ssh cannot be created unless command is given" > > That's systemd saying i

Re: various raspbian x posts

On 12/30/19 3:56 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > And this is the output to exactly what command? Now that's a good question. I really don't remember. There've been so many in the last few days, and that came up very early. -- Glenn English

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 10:01:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > But it sure would be nice if the manpages were a little more obvious. > :) Options seem to be well explained but commonly used examples that > one can play with to learn how it works are thin. A good tut that > passed as a manpage would likely re

Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:12:54, ghe wrote: > On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Did you forget to "enable" it? > > Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's > running. But is isn't. Please show us the full output of systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

Omg another systemd thread jeez On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 6:12 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 30 dec 19, 15:12:54, ghe wrote: > > On 12/30/19 1:08 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > Did you forget to "enable" it? > > > > Nope. It works by hand, and after boot, systemctl status claims it's > > run

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

On 12/30/19 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Please show us the full output of > > systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT root@test:~# systemctl status ipfilter ● ipfilter.service - packetFilter Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Acti

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

ghe wrote: > On 12/30/19 3:54 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Please show us the full output of >> >> systemctl status YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > root@test:~# systemctl status ipfilter > ● ipfilter.service - packetFilter >Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service; enabled; > vendor

Re: realtime kernel on ARM hardware

Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 23:05:07) > On Monday 30 December 2019 16:49:14 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Quoting Gene Heskett (2019-12-30 21:00:55) > > > > > If debian was serious about supporting the "arm's" that would have > > > been fixed several years ago by moving that list and its con

Re: On systemd, raspbian and off-topics [was: systemdq]

> I actually do enjoy off-topic tangents, and [...] Me too, happy new year tomás ^^^ Sincerely, Byung-Hee from South Korea -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: Back to systemd [was: Re: New list for Raspbian? (was: Re: systemdq)]

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 05:47 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: > > Please show the output of > >systemctl cat YOUR_SERVICE_UNIT > > This will show all additions and overrides to the unit. root@test:~# systemctl cat ipfilter # /usr/lib/systemd/system/ipfilter.service [Unit] Description=packetFilter