Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 10 nov 14, 21:49:30, songbird wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 03 nov 14, 13:56:36, Alexis wrote: > >> zsh, however, is more helpful: > >> > >> $ which umask > >> umask: shell built-in command > > > > Maybe a (wishlist) bug against debianutils is in order? > > is zsh providing a

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 10 nov 14, 21:12:10, Lee Winter wrote: > > Of all the options available in the NON-expert installer, the choice of > init alternatives might not warrant a user selection option, but all of the > _consequences_ of that selection, i.e., things that get sucked in, mandate > that users be offer

Re: Unable too boot after fresh install of latest "testing"

2014-11-11 Thread Jarle Aase
I tried to install from /cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cddebian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso (dd'd to a USB disk) when I ran into all these problems. Today I tried again with the latest debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso, using full disk encryption and btrfs on /. No problems at all. The machine boots a

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Jean-Marc
Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:23:13 +0100 Hans écrivait : > Hi all, hi Hans, > [...] This kind of discussion made me unsubscribing to Debian lists. If all these people code only 10 lines everytime they troll, we can get a brand new init-system in less than a month. > > Happy hacking You too. > > H

Re: Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 03:15:12, tor...@riseup.net wrote: > > "I don't want to use systemd, what are my options" inside of a debian > communication channel makes sense to me (assuming one has been a Debian > user in the past). https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#systemd Feel free to add anythi

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:00:27AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Chris Bannister writes: > > I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact > > listmas...@lists.debian.org. > > I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though: > now that we have listmoms the footer needs

Unable to start kvm virtual machines after re-install of "testing"

2014-11-11 Thread Jarle Aase
Hi, After a fresh reinstall of Debian "testing" today, I am unable to start my virtual machines. I lost the configuration during the reinstall, but have the disk images. I'm not sure if it is a bug or something wrong on my machine. The images worked on Debian "testing" after an upgrade two days ag

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 02:02:07 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 11.11.2014 um 01:58 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > > > Michael Biebl wrote: > >> Sorry, but that is not what I asked for. I asked for "specifics". > >> Your answer doesn't contain any specific problem which would make me > >> able to repro

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 18:11:42 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >On Mon 10 Nov 2014 at 14:48:15 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >>On 11/10/2014 2:44 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>>Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 10.11.2014 um 19:26 schrieb Patrick Bartek: > >Maybe, the release after

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Joe
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:02:12 +0100 Jean-Marc wrote: > > This kind of discussion made me unsubscribing to Debian lists. > If all these people code only 10 lines everytime they troll, > we can get a brand new init-system in less than a month. > Does this code have to make sense, or can it be ju

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 05:50:19PM +, Steve Greig wrote: > I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have > to download and install some software: > adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip > > > Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if > it is p

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Man_Without_Clue
Really? Wheezy? HD4600? No kernel upgrade or anything? On 11/10/2014 11:15 PM, Dan wrote: *WORKS FOR ME NO PROBLEM, I'VE BEEN RUNNING WHEEZY FOR A LITTLE MORE THAN A YEAR, A1 SO FAR, * On 11/07/2014 10:05 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote: >From my experience yes, it works on jessie without any problems

Re: Has the systemd fork already happened?

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 11:28:29AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > golinux wrote: > > > >Yes, Refracta is pure unmodified Debian and uses the Debian repos! As > >suggested, please join the forums and contribute expertise if possible. > > > > And report back! Those of us who are still waiting and

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
On 2014-11-11 Man_Without_Clue wrote: > Really? Wheezy? HD4600? > No kernel upgrade or anything? No, you need Jessie. In Wheezy the Vesa fallback is used. Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas..

Re: Re: Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread tor...@riseup.net
>On Ma, 11 nov 14, 03:15:12, tor...@riseup.net wrote: >> >>"I don't want to use systemd, what are my options" inside of a debian >> communication channel makes sense to me (assuming one has been a >> Debian user in the past). >https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#systemd >Feel free to add

Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang

2014-11-11 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post] On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:24:03PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Joel Roth wrote: > > Joel Roth wrote: > > > Hi list, > > > > > > I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes > > > to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU > > > and causes these processes t

kernel spamming log -- "sda: unknown partition table"

2014-11-11 Thread Håkon Alstadheim
I get theese (totally benign) messages. How do I shut them up ? Running jessie. I suspect something is using resources scanning and re-scanning my drives, so the best solution would be to make that thing take a break and leave well enough alone. Barring that, I'd like to not have that noise bot

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:47:35 +0200, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : > On Lu, 10 nov 14, 21:12:10, Lee Winter wrote: > > > > Of all the options available in the NON-expert installer, the > > choice of init alternatives might not warrant a user selection > > option, but all of the _consequences_ of that

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 02:02:07 +0100, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 01:58 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Michael Biebl wrote: Sorry, but that is not what I asked for. I asked for "specifics". Your answer doesn't contain any specific problem which would make me able to reproduce

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a >> way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potential >> problems that might result from later uninstallation all t

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 10. November 2014, 12:12:10 schrieb Don Armstrong: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Exactly. I for one am getting sick and tired of being called names on > > this list like 'hater' and 'whiner' Sorry, Don, I did not want to afferon t someone. As I am not native English speak

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 6:32 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:23 schrieb Patrick Bartek: >> Optional? Yes. A lot (most) of systemd is optional. (So, I've read.) >> But isn't a lot of that optional stuff installed by default? > It is, yes. We decided to not split up a 10M package into 20som

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/10/2014 6:23 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, Michael Biebl wrote: >> systemd-networkd is an entirely optional component, you don't have to >> use it. >> systemd-udevd is also an individual component, which btw is also used >> under sysvinit (or upstart). You don't get really

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread st
Hans wrote: > I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned into a completely different OS _and_ they have to find another Unix _and_ learn it almost from scratch _

Re: need help in rights delegation to a freelance "web developer"

2014-11-11 Thread Carl Fink
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:39:24PM +0500, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > last time he was facing issue with rewrite module. however i have installed > that module for sure. even i have check with apachectl command tool. though > it is resolved for now. > so i thought, in advance if there is any lis

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread John Hasler
Chris Bannister writes: > I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org. I wrote: > I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though: > now that we have listmoms the footer needs to be redone. File a > wishlist bug. Chris Bannister write

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Ron
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:53:47 -0600 John Hasler wrote: > > I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though: > > now that we have listmoms the footer needs to be redone. File a > > wishlist bug. > > Chris Bannister writes: > > 'listmoms'? > > Vernacular for moderators,

Re: grub-pc update causes mount hang

2014-11-11 Thread Joel Roth
Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 12:24:03PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > Joel Roth wrote: > > > Joel Roth wrote: > > > > Hi list, > > > > > > > > I've been upgrading my sid system. When grub goes > > > > to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg, mount uses 100% CPU > > > > and causes thes

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 20.08:08 st a écrit : > Hans wrote: > > I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy > > Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning > Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned > into a completely different OS _and_ they h

find problem

2014-11-11 Thread B. M.
Hi all, I'm struggling with a find problem. I want to combine find and par2create recursively in order to get the following done: Foreach file with a certain suffix (e.g. avi) do par2create for that file in its directory, so e.g. I'm in /video There are subfolders user1, user2 with videos video

should I really be using the amd64 list?

2014-11-11 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Debianists, Should I really be on the amd64 list not this one as an amd64 user? Regards Michael Fothergill

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 07:33:44 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >Placing the bar so high at "clean" for the reason given is unwarranted, > >especially if preseeding with > > > >d-i base-installer/includes string sysvinit-core > > > >is done. Then systemd-sysv is cleanly removed du

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On 11 November 2014 10:25, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: > On 2014-11-11 Man_Without_Clue wrote: > >> Really? Wheezy? HD4600? >> No kernel upgrade or anything? > > No, you need Jessie. In Wheezy the Vesa fallback is used. Intel in general works fine in Wheezy. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to deb

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a > >> way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any potenti

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any poten

Re: should I really be using the amd64 list?

2014-11-11 Thread Martin Read
On 11/11/14 15:23, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Debianists, Should I really be on the amd64 list not this one as an amd64 user? The description of the debian-amd64 list is "Debian port to AMD64 Porting Debian to AMD x86-64 architecture." so unless you're involved in Debian's amd64 porting

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
On 2014-11-11 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On 11 November 2014 10:25, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: >> On 2014-11-11 Man_Without_Clue wrote: >>> Really? Wheezy? HD4600? >>> No kernel upgrade or anything? >> No, you need Jessie. In Wheezy the Vesa fallback is used. > Intel in general works fine in Wheezy.

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-11 Thread songbird
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > songbird wrote: >> are you suggesting which be altered or the >> manual page be amended to include more information >> about what to do when which fails to report any >> matching command? > > I'd rather see which(1) be more informative about built-ins. there's a lot of

Re: should I really be using the amd64 list?

2014-11-11 Thread Michael Fothergill
The description of the debian-amd64 list is "Debian port to AMD64 Porting Debian to AMD x86-64 architecture." so unless you're involved in Debian's amd64 porting effort I'd say you probably don't have any reason to post to that list. I remember a while back mostly 32bit users were on this list

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread st
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in ways defined by its volunteers is unfair. Blaming? Did I say a word about Stable becoming less and less stable since about Etch? No. Did I mention that I had to get almost all essential desktop

Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: <_...@debian.org> > Debian also was always and will always stay technically defined by those > volunteering to make it what it is. By extension, it is explicitly not > defined by those not putting work (but only words) into it; unmaintained > software and code

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/11/2014 at 10:54 AM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >>> Please be specific. What problems of of dependencies are you >>> talking about? >> >> Please stop bring up irrelevant questions and address the

Re: Wheezy fails to complete boot after last update

2014-11-11 Thread Gary Dale
On 04/11/14 01:10 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 03/11/14 12:23 PM, Gary Dale wrote: After the last upgrade (kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64 and wget), I have a Debian/Wheezy server that isn't starting. It gets to the network then stops. The system isn't hung - it will still output messages to the screen when

emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not responding? -- Tony van der Hoff| mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Buckinghamshire, England | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists

Re: Wheezy fails to complete boot after last update

2014-11-11 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 11.11.2014 um 17:48 schrieb Gary Dale: >> Update: booting using sysrescuecd, I removed the >> /etc/rcS.d/S13networking link and rebooted into single-user mode. It >> completed OK, so I then ran /etc/init.d/networking start, which >> exhibited the same problems it did when run by init. However

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/11/2014 11:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > Other people subscribe to a meaning of "default" which, e.g., assumes > only that systemd will get installed as PID 1 unless some action is > taken to prevent it from getting so installed. That seems like an > entirely reasonable interpretation, at lea

Re: emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:54:33 + Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hello Tony, >Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not >responding? At times like this, I use http://www.isup.me to see if it's "just me" or there's a bigger problem. The site confirms (I couldn't get to it, ei

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/11/2014 11:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: Other people subscribe to a meaning of "default" which, e.g., assumes only that systemd will get installed as PID 1 unless some action is taken to prevent it from getting so installed. That seems like an entirely reasonable interpreta

Re: emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Frank
On 11/11/2014 11:54 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not responding? Yes it's apparently down. Accessing a cached copy of the site reveals the whole project was winding down as of July. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ.

Re: emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 11/11/14 16:58, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:54:33 + > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Hello Tony, > >> Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not >> responding? > > At times like this, I use http://www.isup.me to see if it's "just me" or > there's a bi

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl a écrit : > On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: > >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in > >> such a way that systemd is never installed, thus avoiding any > >>

Re: Unable too boot after fresh install of latest "testing"

2014-11-11 Thread Marko Randjelovic
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:09:17 +0200 Jarle Aase wrote: > tried to install from > /cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cddebian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso > (dd'd to a USB disk) when I ran into all these problems. Today I tried > again with the latest debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso, using full disk > en

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in > ways defined by its volunteers is unfair. Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a vote of the technical committee, a vote that was in fact tied and t

Re: emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 11/11/14 17:04, Frank wrote: > > On 11/11/2014 11:54 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not >> responding? >> > > Yes it's apparently down. Accessing a cached copy of the site reveals > the whole project was winding down as of July.

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On 11 November 2014 16:06, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: > On 2014-11-11 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On 11 November 2014 10:25, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: >>> On 2014-11-11 Man_Without_Clue wrote: > Really? Wheezy? HD4600? No kernel upgrade or anything? > >>> No, you need Jessie. In Wheezy the Ve

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/11/2014, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:00:27AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> Chris Bannister writes: >> > I read that as 'trouble unsubscribing?' then Contact >> > listmas...@lists.debian.org. >> >> I read it as 'technical trouble with this list'. You're right, though:

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Morten Bo Johansen
On 2014-11-11 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Intel runs fine on Wheezy, though you do need a kernel upgrade in the > form of a backported kernel for some (though not all) Intel drivers. Of course, but if you are using backported packages, you are not really running Wheezy anymore. Morten -- To UNSUB

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl a écrit : On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a way that systemd is never installed, thus avo

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Marty
On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl a écrit : On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in >> such a way that syste

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:58:33 -0500, Tanstaafl a écrit : > On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution > > evolve in ways defined by its volunteers is unfair. > > Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a

Re: emdebian.org off-line?

2014-11-11 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:05:35 + Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hello Tony, >Thanks, Brad; I'll bookmark that! YW. It's a handy site to know about, IMO. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Gary don't need his eyes to

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 11:38:19 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 11/11/2014 at 10:54 AM, Brian wrote: > > > systemd is the default init system. That means everyone gets it. > > No - that only means that everyone gets it by default, not necessarily > that everyone gets it. Everyone gets it. Not ev

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in ways defined by its volunteers is unfair. Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a vote of the technical committee, a vote that was in

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 11:38:19 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/11/2014 at 10:54 AM, Brian wrote: systemd is the default init system. That means everyone gets it. No - that only means that everyone gets it by default, not necessarily that everyone gets it. Everyone gets it. Not

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 12.34:10 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > There are no functional differences between an installation with > > sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > > installed later, this is a fact. > > No, that's NOT a fact. At l

advice on choosing an AMD chipset

2014-11-11 Thread Michael Fothergill
Dear Folks, I am planning to order the components for a new PC that I will put together myself with a bit of help from the local PC store I use for repairs etc. At first I had thought to buy an FX 8350 motherboard plus fan and some RAM and a power supply e.g. Corsair Builder Series CXM 750W Modul

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:00:23 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/11/2014 11:38 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > > Other people subscribe to a meaning of "default" which, e.g., assumes > > only that systemd will get installed as PID 1 unless some action is > > taken to prevent it from getting so installed.

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > There are no functional differences between an installation with > sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > installed later, this is a fact. Irrelevant. > Allowing the user to choose this at install time from the inte

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote: > This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are > useless if they are not in the form of code. https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed to Debian in one of the ways that we currently measure. [Granted, it's

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, John Hasler wrote: > Vernacular for moderators, making sure that we play nice. On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Bret Busby wrote: > Women who hit you with a list of things to do ("Clean up your > room!...Mow The lawns!Wash the dishes") instead of hitting you > over the head with a hoc

Re: umask has no man page?

2014-11-11 Thread shawn wilson
While I like the dhelp script idea, I think man is a pure UX issue - man should generally DWIM because if I type "man foo", I don't want to jump through hoops. There times (looking at libraries and system calls and the like) that knowing the system helps. However, with >20 (IDR how many - a bunch)

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Erwan David
Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote: >> This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are >> useless if they are not in the form of code. > https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed > to Debian in one o

Re: Installing Android development software

2014-11-11 Thread Steve Greig
>apt-cache search android | less >returns some interesting results? That was useful to know how to search the APT cache. I am thinking of starting a new thread as I am completely unable to find any of the files and folders I created when I downloaded and installed the adt-bundle. I definitely

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread John Hasler
Don Armstrong writes: > Sexism like this is inappropriate in Debian. Please stop. Ok. List-parental-units. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.d

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:58:25 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >Everyone gets it. Not everyone boots with it. Not everyone who boots > >first time with it gets to use it on subsequent boots. > > That is DEFINITELY a definition of "default" that is subject to very > differing opinion

cross toolchains (was: emdebian.org off-line?)

2014-11-11 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-11-11 18:18 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > On 11/11/14 17:04, Frank wrote: >> >> On 11/11/2014 11:54 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: >>> Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not >>> responding? >>> >> >> Yes it's apparently down. Accessing a cached copy of the

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: > On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > > >There are no functional differences between an installation with > >sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > >installed later, this is a fact. > > > >Allowing th

Re: Wheezy fails to complete boot after last update

2014-11-11 Thread Gary Dale
On 11/11/14 11:59 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 17:48 schrieb Gary Dale: Update: booting using sysrescuecd, I removed the /etc/rcS.d/S13networking link and rebooted into single-user mode. It completed OK, so I then ran /etc/init.d/networking start, which exhibited the same problem

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Brian
On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 13:14:00 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > > There are no functional differences between an installation with > > sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > > installed later, this is a fact. > > Irrelevan

Re: advice on choosing an AMD chipset

2014-11-11 Thread Gary Dale
On 11/11/14 01:09 PM, Michael Fothergill wrote: Dear Folks, I am planning to order the components for a new PC that I will put together myself with a bit of help from the local PC store I use for repairs etc. At first I had thought to buy an FX 8350 motherboard plus fan and some RAM and a p

Re: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Bret Busby
On 12/11/2014, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, John Hasler wrote: >> Vernacular for moderators, making sure that we play nice. > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2014, Bret Busby wrote: >> Women who hit you with a list of things to do ("Clean up your >> room!...Mow The lawns!Wash the dishes") inst

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
On 11-11-2014 21:16, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >There are no functional differences between an installation with >sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is >installed later, this is

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote: > Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > When I (or someone else) asks people to "show us the code", it's > > really just shorthand for "someone needs to do this work, and it > > currently isn't important enough for me to do it." > > Asking to prov

Re: advice on choosing an AMD chipset

2014-11-11 Thread Michael Fothergill
> > >> For business desktop use, I prefer onboard graphics for reliability. > Also, most add-in cards require fans for cooling which gives you another > point of failure while adding to the noise. Power requirements are higher > when you want the graphics performance of the faster graphics cards. >

Re: cross toolchains

2014-11-11 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 11/11/14 19:12, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-11-11 18:18 +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> On 11/11/14 17:04, Frank wrote: >>> >>> On 11/11/2014 11:54 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Can anyone confirm that http://www.emdebian.org/ is currently not responding? >>> >>> Yes it's

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Erwan David
Le 11/11/2014 20:21, Don Armstrong a écrit : > On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote: >> Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : >>> When I (or someone else) asks people to "show us the code", it's >>> really just shorthand for "someone needs to do this work, and it >>> currently isn't import

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Lisi Reisz
On 11 November 2014 17:30, Morten Bo Johansen wrote: > On 2014-11-11 Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> Intel runs fine on Wheezy, though you do need a kernel upgrade in the >> form of a backported kernel for some (though not all) Intel drivers. > > Of course, but if you are using backported packages, you are

Re: INTEL HD Graphics

2014-11-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
I received an answer on the intel-gfx mailing list: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2014-November/055165.html As instructed, I enabled SNA acceleration in my custom xorg.conf and installed the intel driver from experimental. ZaphodHeads now works on my new desktop just as I want.

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: On 11-11-2014 21:16, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >There are no functional differences between an installation with >sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Erwan David wrote: Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Rob Owens wrote: This type of comment says to me that my contributions to Debian are useless if they are not in the form of code. https://contributors.debian.org/ is everyone who we know has contributed to Deb

Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Rob Owens" > > - Original Message - > > From: <_...@debian.org> > > > Debian also was always and will always stay technically defined by those > > volunteering to make it what it is. By extension, it is explicitly not > > defined by those not putting

Re: Re: need help in rights delegation to a freelance "web developer"

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
> Secondly do you guys have any advice on more security of WP. i have heard > that word press is kind of week in security. maybe i am wrong but i have > heard that. I've had no problems in several years of hosting WP. I do recommend NOT using the Debian package for WordPress. For security and

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 12:34:10, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >There are no functional differences between an installation with > >sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is > >installed later, this is a fact. > > No, that's NOT a fact. At least it's not a

Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 11 nov 14, 11:58:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/11/2014 9:26 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Blaming the Debian project for letting the Debian distribution evolve in > > ways defined by its volunteers is unfair. > > Eh? My understanding is that this systemd mess is due to a vote of the

RE: Joey Hess is out?

2014-11-11 Thread Larry Owens
-Original Message- From: Bret Busby [mailto:bret.bu...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:28 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Joey Hess is out? On 11/11/2014, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 08:00:27AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: >> Chris Banni

Re: Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
On Tue, 11 Nov 2014,Don Armstrong mailto:don%40debian.org>> wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2014, Erwan David wrote: > Le 11/11/2014 18:59, Don Armstrong a écrit : > > When I (or someone else) asks people to "show us the code", it's > > really just shorthand for "someone needs to do this work, and it >

Re: useradd segmentation fault

2014-11-11 Thread Joris Bolsens
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sorry about late reply, got a bit busy with other things. On 11/07/2014 11:43 PM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > I'd try adding some memory (or swapspace) to this VM to satisfy > mremap's wish to remap to exactly 8G virtual memory. > > Reco Tried this, set

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-11 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 11 nov 14, 12:34:10, Miles Fidelman wrote: Laurent Bigonville wrote: There are no functional differences between an installation with sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is installed later, this is a fact. No, that's NOT a fact. At least

Re: Mount order after systemd update

2014-11-11 Thread Martin Manns
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:00:03 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > Martin Manns: > > After switching to systemd, [...] password entry on startup looks > > weird because some weird red moving stars are shown instead of a > > prompt. > > The official name for the "weird red moving stars" is "

Re: WD Passport 2T hard drive formating question.

2014-11-11 Thread Juan R. de Silva
> You seem to have overlooked Darac Marjal's response. I have not. I've just took a pause to do some additional reading and to experiment a little. I've tried 'tune2fs -m 1.0 /dev/sdXY' (found in Arch docs for Ext4). The result was quite interesting. Both Nautilus and "df" showed the used spac

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