802.3x pause frames

2014-11-05 Thread Julia Niewiejska
Hello, I indend to do some experiments with 802.3x pause frames, but I have yet to find a setup that works. I used a tool that generates pause frames [1] in two setups. First one consists of two virtual machines on a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server connected with each other through a virtual switch.

Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
First posting here: I have been playing with GNU-Linux ever since Slackware came on a stack of 1.4 floppies, been using Linux on my desktop since 1999 (Mandrake 6.0), recently switched to a Debian derivative (SolydX) to get away from KDE, and am now thinking of going to Debian proper. Seems I h

Re: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 05 November 2014 09:52:44 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > am now thinking of going to Debian proper. > > Seems I have arrived in the middle of a heated controversy, about the > merits of Systemd. > > Which brings me to ask three questions: > > - Installing Debian-XFCE 7.6 does this by de

Re: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 10:31:52 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > > - Is there a way in Debian to avoid using UUIDs ? > When I install, I set up partitions with labels. This avoids UUIDs and uses > labels instead. Many thanks; for setting the partitions with labels, is that an option in the install ?

Re: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 05 November 2014 11:22:59 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > When I install, I set up partitions with labels.  This avoids UUIDs and > > uses labels instead. > > Many thanks; for setting the partitions with labels, is that an option in > the install ? (Remember, I am new to Debian  ;-3)

AW: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Tariq Doukkali
Hi, if you have already installed Debian with Gnome. Applications -> Accessories -> Disk Utility You can set the partitions labels. Else: e2label Cheers -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI [mailto:ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. November 2014

Re: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:49:57 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > When I install, I set up partitions with labels.  This avoids UUIDs and > > > uses labels instead. > > Many thanks; for setting the partitions with labels, is that an option in > > the install ? (Remember, I am new to Debian  ;-3) >

Re: Debian 6.2 and Systemd ?

2014-11-05 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 11/5/14, Tariq Doukkali wrote: > Hi, > > if you have already installed Debian with Gnome. > > Applications -> Accessories -> Disk Utility > > You can set the partitions labels. > > Else: > > e2label I've never had luck going disk utility route only as user. Changes never seem to stick. Sure

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 05/11/14 14:00, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 05/11/14 12:28, Miles Fidelman wrote: Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit : Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those of us w

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 21.13:36 Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork. Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, please re-read the list topic: >From https://lists.debian.org/debian-use

How to use the network-manager-strongswan

2014-11-05 Thread Gulfstrean Wang
Hello, I want to use the network-manager-strongswan to connect ikev2 vpn server, but I can not find how to configure the network-manager-strongswan via UI or configuration file. Could you tell me how to use it if you know? Thank you very much! My debian version is testing, and the window mana

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Tanstaafl
An opinion from a very new debian user... On 11/4/2014 5:09 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > http://debianfork.org/: > > "If systemd will be substituting sysvinit in Debian, we will fork the > project and create a new distro. We hope this won't be necessary, but > we are well prepared for it." >

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Gary Dale wrote: On 04/11/14 08:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Santiago Vila wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:38:00PM -0400, David Kline wrote: I have heard a lot of talk about how systemd deviates from the unix philosophy. What is the unix philosophy, how does debian follow it, and why does sy

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/5/2014 2:37 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 21.13:36 Jerry Stuckle a écrit : >> Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork. > > Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, please > re-read the list topic: > >>From h

forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Specifically addressed to those of you who are responding to systemd, etc., by considering: - finding ways to make it easier to install/configure Debian without (or with minimal) systemd dependencies (certainly not in PID1) - migrating to another distro or platform - forking, deriving, or otherw

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tanstaafl wrote: An opinion from a very new debian user... On 11/4/2014 5:09 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: http://debianfork.org/: "If systemd will be substituting sysvinit in Debian, we will fork the project and create a new distro. We hope this won't be necessary, but we are well prepared f

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-05 Thread Gary Dale
On 05/11/14 12:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/04/2014 08:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a problem with sysvinit on one machine running Wheezy.. Would you mind telling us what the problem is? I already did a couple of days ago on this list. Got no responses so I filed a bug report.

Re: Howto add a vnc URL handler to Icedove?

2014-11-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 01 November 2014 13:51:16 Jape Person wrote: > You (Scott) help a lot of people here. I wish someone would help you! Sadly, perhaps no-one knows the answer. :-( Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact l

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread berenger . morel
Le 05.11.2014 15:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : Specifically addressed to those of you who are responding to systemd, etc., by considering: - finding ways to make it easier to install/configure Debian without (or with minimal) systemd dependencies (certainly not in PID1) - migrating to another dis

Re: How to use the network-manager-strongswan

2014-11-05 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:41:04 +0800, Gulfstrean Wang a écrit : > Hello, Hello, > I want to use the network-manager-strongswan to connect ikev2 vpn > server, but I can not find how to configure the > network-manager-strongswan via UI or configuration file. Could you > tell me how to use it if you

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:00:12 -0500, Miles Fidelman a écrit : [...] > - SUSE seems to be moving down the systemd path, but with less > aggregation (e.g., systemd w/o journald) I personally didn't checked, but I can bet money on it if you want, that SLES 12 is doing _exactly_ what debian IS doin

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.21:26 Jerry Stuckle a écrit : > On 11/5/2014 2:37 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, > > please re-read the list topic: > > From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ : > >> Community assistance and sup

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Miles, Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.32:57 Miles Fidelman a écrit : > [If you're happy with systemd, and not considering a change - please > stay out of this discussion. If you object to the very nature of the > discussion, hit your delete key and kill file this thread now.] I object to the v

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Jason C. Taylor
- Original Message - > From: "berenger morel" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:17:22 AM > Subject: Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing >> Rather than have this topic keep showing up in various threads, with >> variou

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 05 November 2014 16:12:12 Jason C. Taylor wrote: > So my opinions are Void for a laptop, desktop, notebook.  Server's are > trickier.  Depends on your hardware and what software you need to run and > how much time and effort you're willing to put it to get it to run if you > have to st

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Haines Brown
After a while I deleted most threads on systemd because I do have to get some work done. And by the time Jessie becomes stable, some of the questions will undoubtedly have been resolved. However, this Subject line drew my attention. I'm a debian-user who has no expertise in coding, Debian's viscer

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread José Silva
On 05/11/14 16:38, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 05 November 2014 16:12:12 Jason C. Taylor wrote: So my opinions are Void for a laptop, desktop, notebook. Server's are trickier. Depends on your hardware and what software you need to run and how much time and effort you're willing to put it to

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Don Armstrong
Quoting myself from http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20141021184619.gq28...@teltox.donarmstrong.com with modifications. On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: > Personally I think the biggest issue with Jessie at present is the > inability to do a clean install with sysvinit rather than systemd

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Tanstaafl
Sorry friend, like I said, I'm a new user. This is on the Debian devs. And if they choose NOT to do this, then ALL of the resulting (and continuing/ongoing) systemd noise is ON THEM. PERIOD. Such a major change without classifying a bug like this as a SHOWSTOPPER speaks volumes. On 11/5/2014 1

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: > Sorry friend, like I said, I'm a new user. > > This is on the Debian devs. > > And if they choose NOT to do this, then ALL of the resulting (and > continuing/ongoing) systemd noise is ON THEM. > > PERIOD. If no one is willing to do the work, then the work

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/5/2014 1:35 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > It's not an RC bug because it's easy to overcome with a late command. Not understanding this reference - so, you're saying you *can* perform a clean install of Jessie using sysvinit for the init system, just using a special command during the install p

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Don Armstrong wrote: Quoting myself from http://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/20141021184619.gq28...@teltox.donarmstrong.com with modifications. On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: Personally I think the biggest issue with Jessie at present is the inability to do a clean install with sysvinit

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/5/2014 1:35 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: It's not an RC bug because it's easy to overcome with a late command. Not understanding this reference - so, you're saying you *can* perform a clean install of Jessie using sysvinit for the init system, just using a special command du

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/5/2014 1:35 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > > It's not an RC bug because it's easy to overcome with a late command. > > Not understanding this reference - so, you're saying you *can* perform > a clean install of Jessie using sysvinit for the init system, j

debian update + systemd + broken

2014-11-05 Thread Bob
Hello list, I like to share my horrible experience with debian (testing branch) update done few hours back and the consequences. I see I got a new systemd service. but this can't properly mount my LVM partitions and always land me into the maintenance mode. Though can mount then the lvm parti

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/5/2014 1:57 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Tanstaafl wrote: >> Not understanding this reference - so, you're saying you *can* perform >> a clean install of Jessie using sysvinit for the init system, just >> using a special command during the install process? > > Yes, FSVO "

Re: debian update + systemd + broken

2014-11-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014, Bob wrote: > Installed systemd again , no change, BUT WAIT. if I execute "exit" > command from maintenance, it put me into normal graphical mode. OK, > now I got it few times... first it put me into maintenance after boot, > then exit command puts me into mode 2 with all LV

Re: debian update + systemd + broken

2014-11-05 Thread Carlo
2014-11-05 19:45 GMT+01:00 Bob : > I like to share my horrible experience with debian (testing branch) update > done few hours back and the consequences. I guess that it's always important to read well the mailing list dedicated before to update in testing (https://lists.debian.org/debian-testin

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

2014-11-05 Thread Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis
Στις 05-11-2014 03:44, Jyri J. Virkki έγραψε: ... As long as debian continues to enable everyone (systemd lovers and opponents) equally, everyone wins. that's not going to happen, IMHO. I don't think you are familiar with that email from systemd project leader at LKML back at 2010 [1], do y

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Jason C. Taylor
How is this not directly Debian realated? Certainly a discussion is "on topic" if it's among users of Debian about Debian; whether they will continue to use it or not; whether their decissions are based in technical, political, phisioplical, or other grounds; what the alternatives are; and how

Re: Systemd and Unix

2014-11-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 11/05/2014 06:30 AM, Gary Dale wrote: On 05/11/14 12:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/04/2014 08:06 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I've got a problem with sysvinit on one machine running Wheezy.. Would you mind telling us what the problem is? I already did a couple of days ago on this list. Got

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Miles Fidelman
Folks, Let's not feed the fanboys, trolls, and other forms of obnoxious folk.. If they want to bomb this topic with garbage, let's just use our delete keys and kill files, and try to keep this one on-topic, with as little extraneous noise as possible. Miles Fidelman Jason C. Taylor wrote:

Re: Mount order after systemd update

2014-11-05 Thread Martin Manns
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:00:03 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > That's what you get when your first recourse is Google rather than > the manual that comes with your software on your computer. (-: The > manual pages that you should be reading are: >* man -S 5 crypttab # > (http://fre

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 16:41:24 -0500 (EST) "Jason C. Taylor" wrote: > How is this not directly Debian realated? Certainly a discussion is "on > topic" if it's among users of Debian about Debian; whether they will continue > to use it or not; whether their decissions are based in technical, politi

Re: Mount order after systemd update

2014-11-05 Thread Martin Manns
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:00:03 +0100 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > Plymouth is right there at the top of the list. Since there seems to be little choice of password agents, I tried it out. Now update-initramfs fails: # update-initramfs -u -v [...] Adding binary /bin/plymouth Adding binary /s

[wheezy] Pairing/connecting a bluetooth mouse

2014-11-05 Thread Alves, Prashant
Hello, I am experiencing trouble getting my bluetooth mouse to pair with my machine in wheezy. I have tried the following commands hidd --connect Also tried bluez-test-input connect dmesg shows a succesful pair and connect [90666.443913] hid-generic 0005:03F0:024C.0020: unknown main ite

Re: forks, derivatives, other distros - what are you thinking/doing

2014-11-05 Thread Nuno Magalhães
This *is* going to be Yet Another Systemd Thread. This *is* debian-related and on-topic, since it's about what its users think they should do next about (not|using) the distro and how. This has a purpose, i hope? 'Cos you can sit and wait if you tihnk it's gonna change the next release of Debia

Re: Howto add a vnc URL handler to Icedove?

2014-11-05 Thread Alexis
Scott Ferguson writes: > 1. while the link displays as show above, in the HTML (subset used in > email) it's actually a mailto link... > > 2. I've tried adding to Icedove about:config:- > ;a new string value of "network.protocol-handler.app.vnc" with the value > "$processingScript %U" > ;a new bo

Re: Multiple desktops in lightdm?

2014-11-05 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 14:19:52 -0500, Gary Dale wrote: > On 03/11/14 11:20 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> I've been using lightdm, and it more or less works. >> >> About a decade ago, on another ancient Linux, I could get multiple >> desktops, selected by ctl-alt-f7 through f12. Is there some way to se

Re: Mount order after systemd update

2014-11-05 Thread Laurent Bigonville
Le Thu, 6 Nov 2014 00:08:56 +0100, Martin Manns a écrit : > On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 10:00:03 +0100 > Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > wrote: > > > Plymouth is right there at the top of the list. > > Since there seems to be little choice of password agents, I tried it > out. Now update-initramfs fails: