Gary Dale wrote:
On 04/11/14 08:38 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Santiago Vila wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:38:00PM -0400, David Kline wrote:
I have heard a lot of talk about how systemd deviates from the unix
philosophy. What is the unix philosophy, how does debian follow it,
and why does systemd break it?
I suspect that people do not want yet another thread about systemd and
that's why nobody answered your questions. Assuming your questions are
real and genunine, this is what I can tell you:
There is not a single rule that may be considered "the unix
philosophy".
Instead, there are several of them as you can check here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
People who dislike systemd often cite "Make each program do one
thing well"
as the rule being "broken", as systemd does several things other than
booting the system that sysvinit didn't do.
As this is debian-user and not debian-philosophy, I suggest that you
keep reading about the subject and actually try systemd on jessie to
have your own opinion about it.
I have production systems to run, and other work to do. So far, all
of the reports I've been seeing lead me to the conclusion:
- run Wheezy as long as I possibly can
- invest my time in exploring BSD and illumos based distros - that
still seem to focus on server-side production applications
- avoid any investment of time in jessie until things play out a bit
more
Miles Fidelman
Actually, I've got a problem with sysvinit on one machine running
Wheezy but have had no problems with systemd on my Jessie machines.
Moreover systemd is being adopted by just about everyone. I don't want
to continue this discussion because it's futile. Systemd is just a
better way to run the init process. Get used to it.
Well. Lucky for you. For me:
- no problems at all with systemd
- lots of reports, on lists concerned with running operational servers,
about dealing with systemd issues
- more than a few questions here along the lines of "systemd changed
this, how do I fix/correct this?"
- more than enough to tell me that the day I start migrating, I can
expect a lot of sleepless nights getting my servers back into production
- it's your opinion that "systemd is just a better way to run the init
process" - others differ, personally I'm agnostic - my problem is to
operational impact and the bundle of dependencies
- if you "don't want to continue this discussion" - you're free to use
your delete key or kill file - some of us DO want to continue this
discussion, and I'd thank you to stop adding noise
Miles Fidelman
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In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
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