RE: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-21 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Steffen, >> allow-auto eth0.9 >> iface eth0.9 inet static >> address 192.168.1.119 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> gateway 192.168.1.1 >> post-up ip address add 192.168.1.199/24 dev eth0.9 What I use is: -=-=-=-=-=- auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 172.16.17.1 netma

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 17:43 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > I have one more question: Since I removed gvfs and Thunar is somewhat > not functional, I am considering to replace it completely with PcManFM > from lxde. Would it be possible to mount usb devices using pcmanfm? And > would pcmanfm bring

Re: Gnome login screen not shown

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 00:01 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 19.10.2013 09:52, schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > > > On Sat, 2013-10-19 at 09:40 +0530, bhuvanesh kumar wrote: > >> I recently upgraded my system from Debian testing to Unstable. After, > >> upgrading i'm not able to login to my system > > >

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Barry White: > > I installed debian 7 successfully right to the end when it > came up with a message that it flashes on the screen, something > about gnome and video. It is not there long enough to read. > I suspect that gnome does not like my video hardware, possibly > because it an olde

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > ... > > > Each time you reboot, you harm your HDDs. > > You do? Everybody does. The spin downs and spin ups are a mechanical strain. This is what cause the most often death of HDDs

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 20:36 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Sureyya Sahin wrote: > > Just to update, the hdparm command gives me: > > Advanced power management level: 254 > > I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can. > > Set it permanently to 254? Or to something d

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx wrote: > > Sureyya Sahin wrote: >> Just to update, the hdparm command gives me: >> Advanced power management level: 254 >> I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can. > > Set it permanently to 254? Or to something different? My unders

Problem Reagrding GTK+3

2013-10-21 Thread Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Hi, I was trying to install uGet downland manager from source while I got this error message. "/Package requirements (gtk+-3.0 >= 3.4) were not met:// // //No package 'gtk+-3.0' found// // //Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you// //installed software in a non-stand

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 09:07 +, Curt wrote: > On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > > Sureyya Sahin wrote: > >> Just to update, the hdparm command gives me: > >>Advanced power management level: 254 > >> I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can. > > > > Set

Re: mediatomb install fails on wheezy

2013-10-21 Thread Darac Marjal
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 06:20:13PM +0200, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > >I have a shortcut for apt-get install which is: > > apt-get --install-suggests install "$@" 2>&1 | tee -a $LOG > >With that, I get the 1st prompt (Do you want to continue? [Y/n]),

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-21, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > The OP mentioned that using Suse there are no issues. > The OP mentioned that using Debian there are issues. > We don't know what does cause the issue. We may never know. > We try to troubleshoot by checking what software might or might not > cause the iss

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 10/21/2013 04:53 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: > In order to help you we need to know what kind of hardware you have. Run > 'apt-get install pciutils' und send us the output of the command > 'lcpsi'. In the meantime, you can install another desktop like x

Re: Problem Reagrding GTK+3

2013-10-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2013 21 Oct 04:09 -0500, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: > Hi, > I was trying to install uGet downland manager from source while I > got this error message. > > "/Package requirements (gtk+-3.0 >= 3.4) were not met:// > // > //No package 'gtk+-3.0' found// > // > //Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_

Re: mediatomb install fails on wheezy

2013-10-21 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013, Darac Marjal wrote: . . . # script -t 2>~/upgrade-debian.time -a ~/upgrade-debian.script . . . hi Darac, thank you for this information, but frankly, I'm not convinced by this solution, It's much easier to browse a file with an editor, that looking at the full repla

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:01 +, Curt wrote: [snip] JFTR it's not intended to remove gvfs or any other software that for troubleshooting purpose might be removed in the future, should be removed forever. I would remove and reinstall one software after the other until the click noise disappears.

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1 (Report the bug!)

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 13:07 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:01 +, Curt wrote: > [snip] > > JFTR it's not intended to remove gvfs or any other software that for > troubleshooting purpose might be removed in the future, should be > removed forever. I would remove and reinst

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 06:01 AM, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-21, Ralf Mardorf wrote: The OP mentioned that using Suse there are no issues. The OP mentioned that using Debian there are issues. We don't know what does cause the issue. We may never know. We try to troubleshoot by checking what software migh

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 07:29 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > On 21/10/13 06:01 AM, Curt wrote: > > On 2013-10-21, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> > >> The OP mentioned that using Suse there are no issues. > >> The OP mentioned that using Debian there are issues. > >> We don't know what does cause the issue.

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread Dan Ritter
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:17:44PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/19/2013 9:17 PM, 陶治江 wrote: > >于 2013-10-20 0:53, Lars Noodén 写道: > >>On 19.10.2013 19:35, 陶治江 wrote: > >>[snip] > >>>I think it seems good like this, but I do not know how to make out > >>>it.(someone says awk, sed may help, bu

postfix

2013-10-21 Thread Pol Hallen
Hey all :-) I'm sorry for banal question but I didn't find any answer to my question. In the /etc/postfix/main.cf I see many parameters like: smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes but also: smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes So, what is the difference of smtpd_parameter and smtp_parameter? (smtpd and smtp)

Re: postfix

2013-10-21 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
On 21.10.2013 07:56, Pol Hallen wrote: Hey all :-) I'm sorry for banal question but I didn't find any answer to my question. In the /etc/postfix/main.cf I see many parameters like: smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes but also: smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes So, what is the difference of smtpd_param

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 08:54:25PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Check out perl formats. Great suggestion, it's a shame the user has (since) ruled out Perl. Hardly anyone seems to discuss perl formats anymore ☺ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "un

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Paul Cartwright: > On 10/21/2013 04:53 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: >> In order to help you we need to know what kind of hardware you have. Run >> 'apt-get install pciutils' und send us the output of the command >> 'lcpsi'. In the meantime, you can install another desktop like xfce4 >> which does not

Re: postfix

2013-10-21 Thread emmanuel segura
+1 2013/10/21 Jeremy T. Bouse > On 21.10.2013 07:56, Pol Hallen wrote: > >> Hey all :-) >> >> I'm sorry for banal question but I didn't find any answer to my question. >> >> In the /etc/postfix/main.cf I see many parameters like: >> >> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes >> >> but also: >> >> smtp_sas

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Barry White
Jochin & Paul, I should mention that I had no problems with Deb 5 or Deb 6 on these m/cs. Cheers Barry Jochen Spieker wrote: Paul Cartwright: On 10/21/2013 04:53 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: In order to help you we need to know what kind of hardware you have. Run 'apt-get install pciutils' u

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 10/21/2013 08:49 AM, Barry White wrote: > Jochin & Paul, > I should mention that I had no problems with Deb 5 or Deb 6 on these > m/cs. > Cheers Barry older doesn't always mean supported any longer.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 -- To UNSUBSCRI

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/21/2013 7:23 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:17:44PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/19/2013 9:17 PM, 陶治江 wrote: 于 2013-10-20 0:53, Lars Noodén 写道: On 19.10.2013 19:35, 陶治江 wrote: [snip] I think it seems good like this, but I do not know how to make out it.(someone sa

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
Take a look if Suse by default does use hdparm for this purpose. I doubt this! There for sure is a reason that the HD's default is as it is. The distros that do cause the issue on your machine has to be informed about it. If nobody expiring this issue does report it to the distro's bug tracker

Re: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: >>> >>> allow-auto eth0.9 >>> iface eth0.9 inet static >>> address 192.168.1.119 >>> netmask 255.255.255.0 >>> gateway 192.168.1.1 >>> post-up ip address add 192.168.1.199/24 dev eth0.9 > > What I use is: > -=-=-=-=-=- > auto eth0 > ifa

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Barry White
Thanks Jochen & Paul, Due to other problems I had to scrub the Deb 7 installation. It wiped out XP windows in the first partition and I had several errors occur during install. I finally managed to get to completion but grub did not know about windows. In this machine, (Deb 5.0) which is identi

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread shawn wilson
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 08:54:25PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: >> Check out perl formats. > > Great suggestion, it's a shame the user has (since) ruled out Perl. > Hardly anyone seems to discuss perl formats anymore ☺ > I think most people p

Re: Installing Debian 7

2013-10-21 Thread Jochen Spieker
Please don't top-post. Barry White: > > Due to other problems I had to scrub the Deb 7 installation. > It wiped out XP windows in the first partition and I had several > errors occur during install. I finally managed to get to completion > but grub did not know about windows. Please try to separ

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread John Hasler
Jerry Stuckle writes: > But if it's so limited he can't load AWK or SED, then he won't be able > to load scripting languages. He'll have to write something in C or a > similarly compiled language. That's what busybox is for. He can modify it to add features he needs and remove those he doesn't.

meaning of a warning message

2013-10-21 Thread François Patte
Bonjour, Sometimes while I launch evince (or emacs), I get this message in the terminal: (evince:28904): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files What does it mean? Tha

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 09:18 AM, Sureyya Sahin wrote: OK, I tried to report a bug on this issue using reportbug. But I am not sure if I was successful. There was a warning that I skipped about exim4 thus I am not really sure if the email was sent to the reporting system. Is there another way to send the

Re: postfix

2013-10-21 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 10/21/2013 6:55 AM, Jeremy T. Bouse wrote: > On 21.10.2013 07:56, Pol Hallen wrote: >> Hey all :-) >> >> I'm sorry for banal question but I didn't find any answer to my question. >> >> In the /etc/postfix/main.cf I see many parameters like: >> >> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes >> >> but also: >> >

Re: meaning of a warning message

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 16:14 +0200, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > Sometimes while I launch evince (or emacs), I get this message in the > terminal: > > (evince:28904): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: > GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name > org.gnome.Sessi

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:27 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > I just have one question though: If I use the hdparm method, will my > problems be fixed? Test it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.deb

Re: meaning of a warning message

2013-10-21 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:46:58PM CEST, Ralf Mardorf said: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 16:14 +0200, François Patte wrote: > > Bonjour, > > > > Sometimes while I launch evince (or emacs), I get this message in the > > terminal: > > > > (evince:28904): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: > > GDB

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 10:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:27 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: I just have one question though: If I use the hdparm method, will my problems be fixed? Test it. OK but we are already testing gvfs. If this fixes would it be because we removed gvfs or beca

Re: Re: Problem Reagrding GTK+3

2013-10-21 Thread Muntasim-Ul-Haque
Hi, I have installed the package as you said and now I have another problem. I was told to install gstreamer-0.10 and I installed libgstreamer-0.10. But it would not understand. The following message is showing: "/configure: error: Package requirements (gstreamer-0.10) were not met:// // //No p

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/21/2013 10:08 AM, John Hasler wrote: Jerry Stuckle writes: But if it's so limited he can't load AWK or SED, then he won't be able to load scripting languages. He'll have to write something in C or a similarly compiled language. That's what busybox is for. He can modify it to add featur

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 05:07 AM, Curt wrote: On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx wrote: Sureyya Sahin wrote: Just to update, the hdparm command gives me: Advanced power management level: 254 I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can. Set it permanently to 254? Or to so

Re: postfix

2013-10-21 Thread Pol Hallen
> smtpd = inbound > smtp = outbound cool! Thanks :-) Pol

Re: Problem Reagrding GTK+3

2013-10-21 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Seg, 21 Out 2013, Muntasim-Ul-Haque wrote: Hi, I have installed the package as you said and now I have another problem. I was told to install gstreamer-0.10 and I installed libgstreamer-0.10. But it would not understand. The following message is showing: "/configure: error: Package requ

Thinkpad E320 trackpoint doesn't work every time

2013-10-21 Thread Andreas Rönnquist
Hi I have recently got my hands on a Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E320 - and it works very nicely - with one small exception: I have got the habit to use the touchpad but not the "mousebuttons" underneath the lower part of the touchpad, but instead I use the extra buttons just above the touchpad that are

WINE not working

2013-10-21 Thread Catherine Gramze
I installed WINE from synaptic. I chose Wine, wine64, and q4wine. While attempting to configure using q4wine I was unable to find the wineserver daemon. I used the search in Files to search the entire filesystem and got no results. I tried to install an app, the World of Warcraft installer, and got

Re: Configuring multiple IP addresses on VLAN interface using ifupdown

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Davies
Bob Proulx wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that the last time (six months ago?) Bob linked to a >> Debian wiki page [...] that used multiple iface declarations for the >> same nic (I've also used multiple declarations). > > https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addre

Re: meaning of a warning message

2013-10-21 Thread Markus Falb
On 21.Okt.2013, at 16:51, Erwan David wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:46:58PM CEST, Ralf Mardorf > said: >> On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 16:14 +0200, François Patte wrote: >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> Sometimes while I launch evince (or emacs), I get this message in the >>> terminal: >>> >>> (evince:289

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.10.2013 01:10, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : (though it's pretty hard to get hired for anything in the US without a bachelorate in something) I do not think it can be worse than in France. Ok. I wasn't s

Re: no .bash_hostory file was found in user home folder

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Davies
Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > :~$ echo $HISTFILE > /home/ykhan/.bash_history > any idea where these history files are. > actually i need to do some accounting for my users , what they are doing > actually with time tag set to ON. These files are of limited value for accounting since the users ca

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 20:24, Joe a écrit : On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:36:13 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > > I'm pretty sure that C was NOT written to build operating systems - > though it's been used for that (notably Unix). I never said

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Markus Falb
On 21.Okt.2013, at 17:11, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > > > On 21/10/13 05:07 AM, Curt wrote: >> On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx wrote: >>> >>> Sureyya Sahin wrote: Just to update, the hdparm command gives me: Advanced power management level: 254 I guess the value would be 254. I will tr

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 12:28 PM, Markus Falb wrote: If the hdparm -I tells you that APM is at 254, then *it is* at 254 The value of 35 that you are talking about is another value that has nothing to do with it. you refer to this line ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED

Re: grub warning when updating

2013-10-21 Thread Guy Marcenac
Le 21/10/2013 08:23, Guy Marcenac a écrit : Le 20/10/2013 23:39, Bob Proulx a écrit : [...] How should I do to come back to a correct installation of grub? note: this is a remote server I manage through ssh Hopefully you can get on the console to see console messages and to take corrective con

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: That's why some professions have needs for legal stuff. We can not really compare a doctor with the usual computer scientist, right? And I said "usual", because most of us do not, and will never work, on stuff which can kill someone. And when we do, verific

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 18:28 +0200, Markus Falb wrote: > your disk had 656598 cycles I own a relatively new external HDD and the first weeks it spin down and up every 30 minutes, that's why the load cycle count is much to high. 193 Load_Cycle_Count0x0032 198 198 000Old_age Alwa

Re: Advice on new desktop/building?

2013-10-21 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
Thank you to everyone who replied.  I think the best thing for me right now would be to NOT try to build my own. Some of the low-profile ones taht people suggested--Acer, Zotac--seem like theyd be powerful enough for my needs and able to be modified appropriately e.g. with an SSD.  (I had a Zo

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 13:11 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > 2 years Two years is relatively old and not relatively new. I had lots of drives that failed after 2 years. My current drives are older than 5 years and ok. However, I'm talking about internal drives that are always on, so gvfs had no negat

Re: Blacklisting threads

2013-10-21 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Robert Holtzman writes: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:08:08PM +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: >> Lisi Reisz writes: >> >> > Perhaps it is time that I started using procmail! >> >> Good choice, I used to use it. But keep in mind that Procmail is a >> filtering instrument which is good while you hav

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 01:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 13:11 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: 2 years Two years is relatively old and not relatively new. I had lots of drives that failed after 2 years. My current drives are older than 5 years and ok. However, I'm talking about internal d

Re: grub warning when updating

2013-10-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Guy Marcenac wrote: > Guy Marcenac a écrit : > > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > > Is there any reason you would not want to install grub to /dev/sda? > > Is there ? It is your system. Therefore it is impossible for us to know. It is unusual to install to a partition. Therefore the implication is that

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Markus Falb
On 21.Okt.2013, at 19:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > FWIW when gvfs wakes up the > drive, this doesn't cause a click noise, only a drive that is close to > it's death makes this noise, when the heads are released. Putting a harddisk to sleep and wake it up does not make a click noise. Only thing it

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 14:20 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > I never opened my laptop before and I don't have proper instructions > to replace it... Replacing the drive is easy, but opening the laptop could be risky, regarding to hidden pins, lock thingies. I once repaired a laptop and had serious is

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.10.2013 19:46, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: That's why some professions have needs for legal stuff. We can not really compare a doctor with the usual computer scientist, right? And I said "usual", because most of us do not, and will never work, on stuff

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 03:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 14:20 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: I never opened my laptop before and I don't have proper instructions to replace it... Replacing the drive is easy, but opening the laptop could be risky, regarding to hidden pins, lock thingies.

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:50 +0200, Markus Falb wrote: > On 21.Okt.2013, at 19:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > FWIW when gvfs wakes up the > > drive, this doesn't cause a click noise, only a drive that is close to > > it's death makes this noise, when the heads are released. > > Putting a harddisk t

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 21:28 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:50 +0200, Markus Falb wrote: > > On 21.Okt.2013, at 19:48, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > FWIW when gvfs wakes up the > > > drive, this doesn't cause a click noise, only a drive that is close to > > > it's death makes

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanill

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 01:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 18:28 +0200, Markus Falb wrote: Likely gvfs caused unneeded spin ups and spin downs when you used Suse, but you didn't hear a click noise, because the drive wasn't damaged at this time. Now that you are using Debian, your drive alr

Re: Blacklisting threads

2013-10-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > That tedious. It was/is getting broken all the time, thus getting > tangled up with everything else. It is beginning to be a real > nuisance. Blacklist all the recent participants. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@

Hp Proliant 460c drivers

2013-10-21 Thread Erick Ocrospoma
Hi list, I have installed Debian 7.1 on a few hp proliant blade servers, after installing I've seen that network is not working properly. It recognises around 8 interfaces, mii-tool says that there is not any link present. I've searched on Hp support page and they only bring a small iso for hdd d

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 15:50 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > Given that Debian Wheezy is very similar to (X)Ubuntu 12.04 Long Term, > how safe it is now to use Debian? Using any distro is save. It's the chosen software that could be dangerous. However, it's not 100% clear that gvfs damaged your HDD,

Re: Blacklisting threads

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:50 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > That tedious. It was/is getting broken all the time, thus getting > > tangled up with everything else. It is beginning to be a real > > nuisance. > > Blacklist all the r

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-21 Thread Sureyya Sahin
On 21/10/13 04:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 15:50 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: Given that Debian Wheezy is very similar to (X)Ubuntu 12.04 Long Term, how safe it is now to use Debian? Using any distro is save. It's the chosen software that could be dangerous. However, it'

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percent

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread Miles Fidelman
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: the changes are that the stuff that must work best, is NOT being done as open source or with particular transparency. At best, we can hope for serious design reviews and testing - not always the case. Which takes us back to a pretty good case for professi

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually l

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.10.2013 22:23, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again,

Re: Advice on new desktop/building?

2013-10-21 Thread David Christensen
On 10/21/13 10:49, Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum wrote: Thank you to everyone who replied. You're welcome. :-) > I think the best thing for me right now would be to NOT try to build my own. Some of the low-profile ones taht people suggested--Acer, Zotac--seem like theyd be powerful enough for my n

Re: How to format the command output like MySQL output

2013-10-21 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:17:44PM -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 10/19/2013 9:17 PM, 陶治江 wrote: >> >于 2013-10-20 0:53, Lars Noodén 写道: >> >>On 19.10.2013 19:35, 陶治江 wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >>>I think it seems good like this, but I do not know

Re: no .bash_hostory file was found in user home folder

2013-10-21 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Muhammad Yousuf Khan writes: > :~$ echo $HISTFILE > /home/ykhan/.bash_history And what's with $HISTSIZE and $SAVEHIST? pgpziKawsMten.pgp Description: PGP signature

Once again about anacron cron cron.daily

2013-10-21 Thread Harry Putnam
I'm still not getting the whole picture of what is supposed to happen on a machine with both anacron and cron installed. I understand the reasoning for machines that are not up all the time, where anacron picks up the slack for cron jobs that came up with the machine down. I get that. But in my

Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-21 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > Each time you reboot, you harm your HDDs. > > > > You do? > > Everybody does. The spin downs and spi

Re: Rebooting and HDD spinup / spindown cycles [WAS: Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1]

2013-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 20:33 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:54:57 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 18:44 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 20:15:06 +0200 > > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > Each time you reboot, you harm y

Re: Once again about anacron cron cron.daily

2013-10-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm still not getting the whole picture of what is supposed to happen > on a machine with both anacron and cron installed. And you might be tired of having me respond about it. :-) > I have lines like the one below in /etc/crontab > > [...] test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || (

bug not sent (was ... Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 09:18:28AM -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote: > > > > >Take a look if Suse by default does use hdparm for this purpose. I doubt > >this! There for sure is a reason that the HD's default is as it is. > > > >The distros that do cause the issue on your machine has to be informed > >a

Re: Dying hard drive?

2013-10-21 Thread Veljko
Veljko wrote: > I'll try with their live CD on Monday when I get back to office. I'll also > try > with replacing SATA cables, just to be sure that they are not faulty and > responsible for performance degradation. I run SeaTools and it turns out that only sdc drive passed the test. All other dri