John Hasler wrote:
> Kamaraju S Kusumanchi writes:
>> iptables look a bit heavy for me
>
> "Heavy"? It's already in your kernel. You just aren't using it.
Heavy in terms of the learning curve involved, not in terms of the
memory/CPU used.
raju
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Let me clarify my questions:
* Masatran, R. Deepak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2007-04-10
> 1. In an external hard drive which is used on multiple computers, what Linux
> kernel is appropriate? I work on Pentium 4 / Sempron / Athlon 64, and
> similar computers. I am currently considering "linux-image-686"
Hi Dan.
Dan H., 10.04.2007 18:06:
> the most recent etch upgrade broke the Opera web browser (I think
> because of new X libs). Googled for a fix and found one, downloaded the
> newest debs (v9.20) from opera.org.
Which one exactly?
> Unfortunately at first the .deb wouldn't install due to an un
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Michael Pobega wrote:
>
> Thank you for this script! My only question is will it stall at boot
> time if it doesn't find any of the networks in /etc/networks/interfaces?
>
It will start when you bring your interface up.
ifup eth0 for example or at bo
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:58:36PM +0300, Salvatore Iovene wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:55:25PM +0200, Olive wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Does any one know if it is possible to convince lilo (or grub) to boot
> > from a .iso file that I have on a partition. This would allow me to test
> > li
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:31 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Kamaraju S Kusumanchi writes:
> >> iptables look a bit heavy for me
> >
> > "Heavy"? It's already in your kernel. You just aren't using it.
>
> Heavy in terms of the learning curve involved, not in terms
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +, steef wrote:
> FORGET THIS. GOT IT GOING AFTER SOME TROUBLE.
good, but what did you do?
A
> From: steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
> hi list,
>
> without the slightest problem an update to etch this morning. thanks,
> developers!
>
> QUESTI
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 00:36:58 -0400, Grok Mogger wrote:
> Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:37:03 -0400, Grok Mogger wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Hey everyone, thanks a lot for the advice! I ended up getting a Netgear
> >> WPN311 Wireless G PCI card. Now I'm just trying to get
I am quite new to compiling kernels although I believe I have it figured out .
My one problem is applying the patch. I downloaded it from where it was
mentioned above and renamed it to add-coretemp-driver.patch (which was its
original name). Then I put it in the same directory as my kernel
William Xu wrote the following on 10.04.2007 07:09:
> | net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 1
this might be worth a try.
http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
Do the working machines have the same value in net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling?
> Oh, his machine is unreachable for me currently..
>
>> ...and just
Hi!
Short: Is there an application to limit the amount of data
downloaded by an application like trickle does it for bandwidth?
Long: I'm using one of these vserver providers which sets a
limit on the amount of data for up- and downloads.
I want provide some bandwidth to the Debian project and
u
Grok Mogger([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hey,
>
> I cannot get my wifi working at all. I have a Netgear
> WPN311. This is my first wifi experience on Linux, and between
> Madwifi, wpa_supplicant, network-manager, network-manager-gnome,
> wlanconfig, iwconfig, iwlist, /et
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:11:10PM +0200, luther138 wrote:
> I tried:
>
> patch -p1 add-coretemp-driver.patch
>
> but all I get is a blinking curser under it and the terminal just sits
> there.
its waiting for input. look at man patch. try:
patch -p1 < add-coretemp-driver.patch
A
signature
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
Short: Is there an application to limit the amount of data
downloaded by an application like trickle does it for bandwidth?
Long: I'm using one of these vserver providers which sets a
limit on the amount of data for up- and downloads.
I want pr
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:12:09PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 21:36, Alejandro Barcena Campos wrote:
> > Randy Patterson wrote:
> > > Can the new Debian installer be used to
> > > resize the existing Windows partition?
> >
> > Yes, it takes a while though
> >
>
> I kno
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 19:11 +0200, luther138 wrote:
> patch -p1 add-coretemp-driver.patch
>
> but all I get is a blinking curser under it and the terminal just sits there.
> Any help for a newbie would be greatly appretiated.
One little character can make a huge difference, try
patch -p
Folks, I have downloaded the new dvd images from both the original
source here:
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/
and a mirror here:
http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/
and in both instances, the md5sums and sha1sums did NOT check OK.
They app
In order to resolve lack of space in / (for /opt where Intel compilers
like to live) I wish to repartition my HD. I tried a LiveCD of gparted
but it gives a Kernel Panic. (NB The CD is okay since I've used it in
another machine before.) The 'problem' machine is a Pentium III (IIRC)
450MHz machine w
Thanks, Debian-marketing
2 hours wasted for that!!!
the basic user is stupid; the admnistrator thinks for him !!!
By default, PLEASE peace to the normal user!!
KDE has the right tools, debian brokes them. For what?
KDM in Debian
=
This package comes with a copy of the K
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +, steef wrote:
FORGET THIS. GOT IT GOING AFTER SOME TROUBLE.
good, but what did you do?
A
see below. s.
From: steef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
hi list,
without the slightest problem an update to etch this morning
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:01 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:58:36PM +0300, Salvatore Iovene wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:55:25PM +0200, Olive wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Does any one know if it is possible to convince lilo (or grub) to boot
> > > from
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:34:23 +0200
Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Dan.
>
> Dan H., 10.04.2007 18:06:
> > the most recent etch upgrade broke the Opera web browser (I think
> > because of new X libs). Googled for a fix and found one, downloaded
> > the newest debs (v9.20) from oper
Alain SECOND wrote:
> Thanks, Debian-marketing
> 2 hours wasted for that!!!
> the basic user is stupid; the admnistrator thinks for him !!!
>
> By default, PLEASE peace to the normal user!!
> KDE has the right tools, debian brokes them. For what?
What exactly is broken? Are there any
Hi.
Nyizsnyik Ferenc, 10.04.2007 21:12:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:34:23 +0200
> Mathias Brodala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Dan H., 10.04.2007 18:06:
>>> the most recent etch upgrade broke the Opera web browser (I think
>>> because of new X libs). Googled for a fix and found one, downloaded
>>> t
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:08:52PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> Kay Smarczewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Me too, and it works fine. I do not edit /etc/crontab, but prefer
> > > adding files to the cron directories.
> > > (/etc/cron.d, /etc/cron.hourly ...)
> > Checksecurity also instal
the way I am viewing this forum does not allow it to display the "oppisite of >" therefore in all of your explinations, when viewed by me, it just says
patch -p1
and nothing else, but I used the man page and figured out to add that
character. Thanks for your fast response guys, you are like
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +, steef wrote:
FORGET THIS. GOT IT GOING AFTER SOME TROUBLE.
good, but what did you do?
hi andrew,
if you or anybody else should bother about my wireless complaints:
forget it: i solved it:
/etc/network/inter
Hi guys,
I'm running the latest 2.6.21-rc kernels (to have my ACPI work - you
know, switch on the fans when the CPU get too hot).
I'm having trouble building modules, and I'm not too clued up on how the
kernel build system works. I get this error:
theluggage:/usr/src/modules/spca5xx# make
Bu
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:17:57PM +0200, luther138 wrote:
>
> the way I am viewing this forum does not allow it to display the
> "oppisite of >" therefore in all of your explinations, when viewed by
> me, it just says patch -p1
okay, so that must have been a little frustrating and confusing. H
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:58:14PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:01 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >
> > IIRC:
> >
> > qemu -cdrom live-cd.iso -boot d
> >
> > will boot a cdrom image
>
> You know, I hate you. I could never get that to work properly. But the
> firs
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 20:42 +0100, Hans du Plooy wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm running the latest 2.6.21-rc kernels (to have my ACPI work - you
> know, switch on the fans when the CPU get too hot).
>
> I'm having trouble building modules, and I'm not too clued up on how the
> kernel build system work
Ananda Samaddar wrote:
Hello all,
I know cross-posting is frowned upon but I just discovered a useful item that
you may like to try.
http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2006/11/24/playing-youtube-videos-without-flash/
The above link is a Greasemonkey script that plays Youtube movies through
MPlayer.
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:06:27 +0200
"Dan H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the most recent etch upgrade broke the Opera web browser (I think
> because of new X libs). Googled for a fix and found one,
> downloaded the newest debs (v9.20) from opera.org.
>
> Unfortunately at first the .de
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 18:13 +, steef wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +, steef wrote:
> >
> >> FORGET THIS. GOT IT GOING AFTER SOME TROUBLE.
> >>
> >
> > good, but what did you do?
> >
> >
> hi andrew,
> if you or anybody else should b
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 10:45:40AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:11:10PM +0200, luther138 wrote:
>
> > I tried:
> >
> > patch -p1 add-coretemp-driver.patch
> >
> > but all I get is a blinking curser under it and the terminal just sits
> > there.
>
> its waiti
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:43:35PM -0400, Freels, James D. wrote:
> Folks, I have downloaded the new dvd images from both the original
> source here:
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/
>
> and a mirror here:
>
> http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 12:50 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 02:58:14PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 10:01 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > > IIRC:
> > >
> > > qemu -cdrom live-cd.iso -boot d
> > >
> > > will boot a cdrom image
> >
> >
Is the panel running? You can add buttons to a panel to access the settings
page like the menu button. But if the right click button is not working,
maybe the desktop manager isn't running.
On 4/10/07, Uwe Dippel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Slightly disappointed by Etch:
257302 is unresolved
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> Even Outlook can thread (not sure what happens if subject gets changed
> though).
It's not true threading, though - it's lumping by subject line. At
least, that's what it did when I used it a few years ago - maybe the
latest ve
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David E. Fox wrote:
> If you're on a network, especially if you have a Linux/unix system that
> does services for Windows machines connected to it, one really should
> have antivirus toolkits on the Linux machine(s).
Any particular recommendations?
-
You could try avg free
free.grisoft.com
On 4/10/07, Jim Hyslop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> If you're on a network, especially if you have a Linux/unix system that
> does services for Windows machines connected to it, one reall
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> On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 04:34:46PM +0100, Ananda Samaddar wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I know cross-posting is frowned upon but I just discovered a useful
> > item that you may like to
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:05:39PM -0400, Jim Hyslop wrote:
> David E. Fox wrote:
> > If you're on a network, especially if you have a Linux/unix system that
> > does services for Windows machines connected to it, one really should
> > have antivirus toolkits on the Linux machine(s).
>
> Any parti
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> Alain SECOND wrote:
>> Thanks, Debian-marketing
>> 2 hours wasted for that!!!
>> the basic user is stupid; the admnistrator thinks for him !!!
>>
>> By default, PLEASE peace to the normal user!!
>> KDE has the righ
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> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 04:34:46PM +0100, Ananda Samaddar wrote:
> > >
Eth0 doesn't show up.
Is there are an easy fix besides digging for drivers and recompiling
kernel?
The machine is Dell e521 AMDX2 3800
Eth0 does show up when booting into regular kernel.
Thanks,
Andrey
Great news.
But what happened to the 60-odd outstanding release-critical bugs that were present
yesterday? Were they all miraculously fixed overnight, or were they just shelved?
http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
Greg
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Firefox and Greasemonkey to the rescue:
http://www.onetipaday.com/2007/02/13
In anticipation of distribution upgrading from Sarge (kernel 2.4) to
Etch, I wanted to review the information on kernel 2.6.8 for Sarge. I
downloaded a huge info file (kernel-doc-2.6.8) successfully. It
unpacked to: /usr/share/doc/ and joined many other doc files
there.
ButI found, t
Forgot to mention this is debian 4.0
Eth0 doesn't show up.
Is there are an easy fix besides digging for drivers and recompiling
kernel?
The machine is Dell e521 AMDX2 3800
Eth0 does show up when booting into regular kernel.
Thanks,
Andrey
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 05:26:34PM -0400, Andrey Dmitriev wrote:
> Eth0 doesn't show up.
doesn't show up where? Dom0 or DomU?
> Is there are an easy fix besides digging for drivers and recompiling
> kernel?
>
> The machine is Dell e521 AMDX2 3800
what is the NIC? (I assume its built-in). does
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:34:29AM +1200, Greg Trounson wrote:
> Great news.
>
> But what happened to the 60-odd outstanding release-critical bugs that were
> present yesterday? Were they all miraculously fixed overnight, or were
> they just shelve
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Dave Walker wrote:
In anticipation of distribution upgrading from Sarge (kernel 2.4) to
Etch, I wanted to review the information on kernel 2.6.8 for Sarge. I
downloaded a huge info file (kernel-doc-2.6.8) successfully. It
unpacked to: /usr/share/doc/ and joined many
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 15:56 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > Now I checked, in the kernel source of 2.6.18 as shipped with Etch/Sid,
> > config.h is in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/include/linux/config.h
> > but in 2.6.21 there is no config.h in include/linux/
> >
> > How do I get around this?
>
>
Greg writes:
> But what happened to the 60-odd outstanding release-critical bugs that
> were present yesterday?
Packages with RC bugs are not included in the release. That's what RC
means.
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On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Baurzhan Ismagulov wrote:
> I have a VIA 82xx sound card and use ALSA. So I don't want OSS modules
> to be loaded. However, via82cxxx is sometimes loaded and is marked
> "[permanent]" in the lsmod output. When this happens, sound doesn't
> work.
Never mind
It shows up as broadcom bcm4401-b0 under both kernels.
Am I missing a step in "RTFM"? Eth0 is still not visible under Xen
Kernel.
Nothing in lsmod really jumped at me.
-a
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To:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 06:20:18PM -0400, Andrey Dmitriev wrote:
> It shows up as broadcom bcm4401-b0 under both kernels.
>
> Am I missing a step in "RTFM"? Eth0 is still not visible under Xen
> Kernel.
you didn't answer my questions. WHERE? in the Xen Dom0 or DomU? If its
not visible in Dom0 th
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007, Andrey Dmitriev wrote:
Eth0 doesn't show up.
Is there are an easy fix besides digging for drivers and recompiling
kernel?
The machine is Dell e521 AMDX2 3800
Eth0 does show up when booting into regular kernel.
Thanks,
Andrey
I got bit by this one, in /etc/xen/xend-conf
Michelle Konzack wrote:
Am 2007-03-30 17:55:14, schrieb Andrew J. Barr:
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:51 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Joe Hart writes:
Which country is this? Here, Aldi doesn't ever sell bread that cheap.
I'm in the US. I suspect that we are talking about a different company.
Aldi
Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 00:36:58 -0400, Grok Mogger wrote:
Florian Kulzer wrote:
On Mon, Apr 09, 2007 at 11:37:03 -0400, Grok Mogger wrote:
[...]
Hey everyone, thanks a lot for the advice! I ended up getting a Netgear
WPN311 Wireless G PCI card. Now I'm just trying t
I'd like to display the waveform of files in X11 -- is there a utility for
doing this? I looked at extace, but it seems to only work with the esound
daemon. I'm looking for a command-line tool.
Dave
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michael wrote:
> In order to resolve lack of space in / (for /opt where Intel compilers
> like to live) I wish to repartition my HD. I tried a LiveCD of gparted
> but it gives a Kernel Panic. (NB The CD is okay since I've used it in
> another machine before.) The 'problem' machine is a Pentium III
David Liontooth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'd like to display the waveform of files in X11 -- is there a utility for
> doing this? I looked at extace, but it seems to only work with the esound
> daemon. I'm looking for a command-line tool.
Wavesurfer is more sophisticated than a command-line
On 4/10/07, Julian De Marchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-03-30 17:55:14, schrieb Andrew J. Barr:
>> On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:51 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>>> Joe Hart writes:
Which country is this? Here, Aldi doesn't ever sell bread that
cheap.
>>> I'm in t
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:43:35PM -0400, Freels, James D. wrote:
> Folks, I have downloaded the new dvd images from both the original
> source here:
>
> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-dvd/
>
> and a mirror here:
>
> http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso
I used the netinst from the US mirror and I installed it on an AMD64 system
and everything went fine and after the install when Debian ask's for my
account name and pass it leaves that GUI and goes to nothing but a GRAY
screen and a mouse cursor.
I don't know what to do from here and I'm confu
On 4/10/07, Christian Hattery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I used the netinst from the US mirror and I installed it on an AMD64
system
and everything went fine and after the install when Debian ask's for my
account name and pass it leaves that GUI and goes to nothing but a GRAY
screen and a mouse
I did the upgrade from sarge to etch, following the release notes. All
went well. This was a massive change. Thanks to those who made such a
complex process manageable by normal users.
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I didn't really get to play with 'xen' yet, since I have no network.
So to answer your question, it's at the level I get on the console when I boot
the box.
this is apparently a known issue:
http://www.felix-schwarz.name/Linux_on_Dell_E521_(en)
"Update 11/28 15:09: The b44 chipset is not a
Linux debian 2.6.18-4-486 #1 Mon Mar 26 16:39:10 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
Hi,
I want to be able to insert accented chars, like àáäèéëìíïòóöùúü by means of
the keyboard.
I've googled and spent several hours trying to figure out how, but with no
result.
The above accented chars I've entered with K
Thilo Six <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> William Xu wrote the following on 10.04.2007 07:09:
>
>
>
>> | net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling = 1
>
> this might be worth a try.
>
> http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
YES ! That's it !
After setting net.ipv4.tcp_window_scaling to zero, everything just works
no
Greg Folkert wrote:
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 18:13 +, steef wrote:
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 08:42:57AM +, steef wrote:
FORGET THIS. GOT IT GOING AFTER SOME TROUBLE.
good, but what did you do?
hi andrew,
if you or an
Hi All,
I need sme help with a sound issue, I have upgraded to and AMD2 chip and MB,
the audi device is made by nvidia
-
lnux:~# lspci | grep -i audio
00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
lnux:~#
How do I get this to work, I am using D
Hi
I download ipw3945 and the kernel module for it.
I "modprobe ipw3945" and lsmod shows it's there.
But "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d start
* Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded."
How can i get my wireless to work ?
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I have noticed that for the last few days I have not been getting
software update notifications via the update manager. Is this because
Etch has been made stable?
Thanks
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Lennart Andersen wrote:
Hi All,
I need sme help with a sound issue, I have upgraded to and AMD2 chip and MB,
the audi device is made by nvidia
-
lnux:~# lspci | grep -i audio
00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
lnux:~#
How do I get
Mark Panen wrote:
Hi
I download ipw3945 and the kernel module for it.
I "modprobe ipw3945" and lsmod shows it's there.
But "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d start
* Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded."
How can i get my wireless to work ?
make sure that you have EVERYTHING related o
andy wrote:
I have noticed that for the last few days I have not been getting
software update notifications via the update manager. Is this because
Etch has been made stable?
Thanks
/@
yes,
steef
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Hi,
I want to be able to insert accented chars, like àáäèéëìíïòóöùúü by
means of the keyboard.
I've googled and spent several hours trying to figure out how, but
with no result.
The above accented ch
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