Re: kde 3.1.3 stable and koffice

2003-08-28 Thread Rudy Gevaert
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:51:12PM +0200, Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > Just out of curiousity, why can you not run unstable? I can't afford to not be able to work on my laptop because an upgrade didn't go well. I'm been running unstable for over 2years on my desktop and had a bumpy ride that I do

Re: Debian and KDE

2003-08-28 Thread Greg Madden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 27 August 2003 12:04 pm, William Bradley wrote: > I am using the latest Debian woody and installed KDE. The Kppp dialer > was not part of the install so I apt-get installed kppp. When I went > to use it the following was the response: > >

Re: Re: Problems with sis900 after upgrading to 2.4.20

2003-08-28 Thread Punit Ahluwalia
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:40, demslh wrote: > > sis900.c: v1.08.06 9/24/2002 > > > PCI: Assigned IRQ 11 for device 00:03.0 > > > eth0: Realtek RTL8201 PHY transceiver found at address 1. > > > eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default > > > eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd400, IRQ

Re: Funny failure of a CR system on debian-devel

2003-08-28 Thread John Hasler
manoj writes: > First, there was a notice that mail from debian-devel was quarantined, > and there was a sekrit to send to unlock the mails. Next, we got a notice > that the sekrit was successfully received. It didn't say that the secret had been received, only that debian-devel had been whitelist

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant > in how I use whitespace. Though I will need to pick it up sooner later. > As well as Ruby and probably PHP as well. You can never know too many > langua

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 04:17:30PM +0200, Francois Bottin wrote: > Then: s/\bC\b/Perl/g ;-) ...it matches the separators, but it doesn't replace them... Cool! I've been after that trick for ages. Thanks! -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=g

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:02:44PM +0200, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: } On Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 12:02:23PM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: } > It doesn't matter how good or bad Java, C, or any other language might } > be. What counts is who's backing it, what you can do with it, and how } > fast you

Re: Debian and KDE

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello William Bradley (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > I am using the latest Debian woody and installed KDE. The Kppp dialer > was not part of the install so I apt-get installed kppp. When I went > to use it the following was the response: > > "KDE Init coult not launch 'Kppp': Could not find 'Kpp

Re: Problems with sis900 after upgrading to 2.4.20

2003-08-28 Thread Punit Ahluwalia
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:40, demslh wrote: > > > sis900.c: v1.08.06 9/24/2002 > > > PCI: Assigned IRQ 11 for device 00:03.0 > > > eth0: Realtek RTL8201 PHY transceiver found at address 1. > > > eth0: Using transceiver found at address 1 as default > > > eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd400, IR

Re: more OT: search-and-replace commands (was Re: OT: Why is C so popular?)

2003-08-28 Thread Yves Goergen
Von: "Harshwardhan Nagaonkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hahaha. It always amuses me whenever we have a thread about a particular > topic, which refrences a particular search-and-replace command. Various > other people reply and give examples with which the said > search-and-replace command will not

console-data upgrade and problems now

2003-08-28 Thread skyshadow
Hi, I just did a apt-get update apt-get upgrade One package was upgraded: console-data_2002.12.04dbs-15_all.deb I am using Sarge and need accents (French). I had no problems before the upgrade. When I try a dpkg-reconfigure console-data (or console-common) and try to load a keymap from the comp

Re: Bug#127502: Anyone packaging this yet?

2003-08-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 12:05:30PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > > You didn't really look hard, it's in main. > > Low on coffee today, Paul? Apparently so. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show devfsd > ^^ > >

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:04:55PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > You should keep in mind that a lot of the overhead involved with Perl > comes from having to load the interpreter. In the case of webservers, > you can get tremendous results by constantly keeping the interpreter > loaded and jus

Problems getting ATI driver for X working.

2003-08-28 Thread Finny Merrill
I just got my brand new PCI Radeon 7000. I popped it in and it booted (thank god, I've had much worse happen). However, X won't use the ati driver. It keeps saying no devices found. I can get it to at least start if I use the ati driver with framebuffer disabled, but then it spews garbage on th

Re: Debian and KDE

2003-08-28 Thread William Bradley
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 06:45 pm, Greg Madden wrote: > Uninstall XDM and install KDM, if you installed the task x-window-system > you will have to uninstall that first, it is only a meta-package, will > not affect other apps. Thanks Greg and excuse my ignorance what exactly is the "task" x-w

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:34:39PM +0200, Alfredo Valles wrote: > One thing I don't understand is why if python code can be so > accelerated with psyco and you have to do nothing for it to work they > have not included psyco as a default option in python. That would bust > python a lot. > Someone m

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:59:57PM -0700, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > *cough, spit* I was able to grasp Turbo Pascal far before C. I > > had no problems with Perl. Hell, I learned Python in a week. C.. C > > I still poke at with a 2' stick in the eye

Nautilus & Samba

2003-08-28 Thread Oki DZ
Hi, How do you relogin to an SMB domain in Nautilus? Once I tried to log in to a machine in a domain, and then I disregard it (ie: not entering user/password). When I retried to access the machine, Nautilus didn't redisplay the login dialog box. Thanks in advance, Oki -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: xferring files from window

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:44:04PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Colin Watson wrote: > > How are you trying to transfer these files? Filenames with spaces work, > > they just require more quoting > > or backslashes: > > cp /mnt/win/file\ with\ spaces /home/user/ That's j

Re: freqtweak bug?

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:01:31PM +0100, Tim Beauregard wrote: > Colin Watson wrote: > | On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:07:36PM +0100, Tim Beauregard wrote: > |>Is this a bug? > |> > |>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ freqtweak > |>freqtweak: relocation error: freqtweak: symbol _ZTV10wxListBase, version > |>WXGTK

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 05:44:12PM +0100, Chris Wilcox wrote: > First post folks so I'm unsure if we top post or not round here but > everyone else seems to so I'll join in! :) We don't. Please post in conventional reading order, i.e. at the bottom! Cheers, -- Colin Watson

xserver assistance

2003-08-28 Thread Christopher Tyler
I am having a problem with xserver-common and xserver-xfree86 in particular... When I attempt to apt-get install the above files her is what I get.. Setting up xserver-common (4.2.1-10) ... Note: Not updating /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config; No stored MD5 checksum available. Setting up xserver-xfree86 (

Re: Funny failure of a CR system on debian-devel

2003-08-28 Thread Travis Crump
John Hasler wrote: manoj writes: First, there was a notice that mail from debian-devel was quarantined, and there was a sekrit to send to unlock the mails. Next, we got a notice that the sekrit was successfully received. It didn't say that the secret had been received, only that debian-devel had

mondo problem

2003-08-28 Thread davidhong1999
i have an old machine with 32M RAM, running woody. when i try to run mondo, it complaints the insufficient RAM size. the doc says minimum req is 64MB Ram. is there a way to run mondo with just 32M RAM? david -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Tro

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Paul M Foster
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: > The recent COBOL discussion has gotten me to thinking. Some languages > seem to be very popular in some situations. C is easily the dominant > language for most things Linux. So therein lies the question. Why, > exactly, is C so po

Fonts for Tcl/Tk apps

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
I have recently begun using Sonata by Symphony EDA (a VHDL compiler and simulation environment) for a class I am taking. Anyhow, this thing is a Tcl/TK application and the default font is unreadably small. Is there a way to change the default font for Tcl/Tk apps systemwide? I have checked and t

Re: Funny failure of a CR system on debian-devel

2003-08-28 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > It didn't say that the secret had been received, only that debian-devel > had been whitelisted. Nost likely, the user did so manually. Travis Crump writes: > Why would a user do that? Because he wants to receive the list. > Anything with a From address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is forged

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Mark Roach
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 18:46, Gregory Seidman wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:02:44PM +0200, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: [...] > } > } And that all doesn't matter if you're a free software developer... > } You use the tools YOU like, the language YOU think is the right one for > } your project a

VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Tom Allison
I am getting really curious about these new Via CPU's that work on the micro-ITX systems. I especially like the idea that I can get a very functional machine with only 30W. But I'm just wondering if this is a little too good to be true. Can I really get a reasonably functional machine from th

Re: Debian and KDE

2003-08-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 08:21:57PM -0400, William Bradley wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 06:45 pm, Greg Madden wrote: > > Uninstall XDM and install KDM, if you installed the task x-window-system > > you will have to uninstall that first, it is only a meta-package, will > > not affect other ap

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > I am getting really curious about these new Via CPU's that work on the > micro-ITX systems. I especially like the idea that I can get a very > functional machine with only 30W. > > But I'm just wondering if this is a little too good to be true.

Re: Mozilla and Print

2003-08-28 Thread Tom Allison
Rodrigo Gesswein wrote: Hello! I have installed Debian 3.0r1 and Mozilla 1.4, but when I try to print a html page, CPU goes to 100% and nothing happend, I must kill mozilla manually. LPD is installed and configured right. Any ideas ? Thanks! Rodrigo! Same problem with CUPS and the Cup

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 15:59, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 > > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's relatively easy to learn, plus everybody else in the unix world > > > uses C. It's portable. It helps to k

Unidentified subject!

2003-08-28 Thread Stephane
Hello, I'm trying to compile a 2.4.22 kernel on a Debian Woody. I use the Debian method. Even if I already compiled many kernels in the past, I'm a newbie (I know how to do it but I'm lost as soon as it doesn't work). I can't compile the kernel because I get this error: depmod: *** Unresolved sy

TrueType fonts (again)

2003-08-28 Thread Robert Storey
Dear All, I know the issue of TrueType fonts has been covered many times before, but I looked in the archives and didn't find the solution to my specific problem. Which is: I upgraded to Sid. Mozilla, which previously had bitmapped fonts, now has TrueType fonts - apt-get dist-upgrade" seems t

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:34, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 7:45 pm, Deryk Barker wrote: > > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Python!! Object oriented, and methods that need

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 16:01, Alex Malinovich wrote: > Дана сре, 27-08-2003 у 13:06, Steve Lamb је написао: > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 > > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > with C. I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant > in how I use whitespace.

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 18:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: [snip] > in C++. I spent far more time in design, and far more time debugging > than I ever had in C. So I went back to C. Now my C code looks like Aghh!!! He spent lot's of

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2003-08-28 Thread Peter Zapris
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Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages. They were designed with > large projects in mind (the whole Software Design Life Cycle bit). Oh how I woul

Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:08, Kevin Mark wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:12, Stefan Waidele jun. wrote: > > Since there is no reaction to my private mail, I have to do this publicly. > > > > Kevin Mark uses my domain 'waidele.info' in order to fake his from-adress. > > I have asked him to stop it

Xfree86.0.log error. Please help.

2003-08-28 Thread Greg Hazel
Aside from all the 4.2.1-10 nonsense with the XF86Config-4 changes (ugg, what a pain) now I'm getting this: Fatal server error: Cannot open log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log" When reporting blah blah blah Yes, I've tried 'touch' /var is not full the file is only 25k the permissions are -rw-r--r--

LVM installation

2003-08-28 Thread Tom Allison
I'm installing Debian with LVM support onto a notebook PC using the MINI-CD installation that I pulled from the Debian website. It works so far, I just want to share what I've done I have found that I can do this successfully with the following four partitions: /dev/hda1: /boot: 10MB ( I shou

CUPS filter or option to fix stairstep

2003-08-28 Thread Paul Scott
I tried to get an answer on the CUPS lists but haven't. I know can use anything like to 'todos' or my own filter to change "\n" to "\r\n" but isn't there a normal way to do this with CUPS? I have got an HP 4P to print correctly with CUPS on a mostly unstable system but when I use 'lpr' to print

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote: > > > Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-style > > > program in C++, you will understand it. > >

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Deryk Barker
Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0500 > Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant > > in how I use whitespace. Though I will need to pick it up sooner later. > > As well as Ruby and prob

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Thomas Krennwallner
Hi! On Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 07:12:35PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > and others. In the last few years, I switched over to C++. I have never > taken so long to write programs in my entire life as when I was coding > in C++. I spent far more time in design, and far more time debugging > than I ev

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 16:27, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Kirk Strauser ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > At 2003-08-27T11:41:17Z, Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > To me, it seems that the obvious solution is to run the script through a > > > Perl compiler, and produce a binary executabl

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Deryk Barker
Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote: > > > > Learn the style, so when someone gives you a COBOL-st

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 14:12, Murray J. Brown wrote: BTW, the author's note was not a cop-out; it was actually an insightful remark, albeit terse and presumptive of some sophistication on the part of the user. I continue not to agree on this count. The note pro

Debian and KDE (Update)

2003-08-28 Thread William Bradley
Thank you to the all the list members who offered their suggestions: Did the following: 1. Removed X-window-system 2. Installed KDM and set it as the default. 3. Re-installed the X-window system. The login and logout screens are much better now and more user friendly. Problem with kppp still: 1

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 00:39, Kevin Mark wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 00:19, Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 23:14, Kevin Mark wrote: you can read /etc/init.d/iptables comments for info. Hmmm. On reading, I notice a function na

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Mike Mueller
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 19:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > Plus, I don't and never have liked the iostreams. They're clunky > compared to printf() for most things. And exceptions are a pain in the > butt, and no one seems to have a definitive answer on when to and when > not to use them. Amen broth

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 20:58, Mark Roach wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 18:46, Gregory Seidman wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:02:44PM +0200, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: > [...] > > } > > } And that all doesn't matter if you're a free software developer... > > } You use the tools YOU like, the

Re: Problems with sis900 after upgrading to 2.4.20

2003-08-28 Thread Punit Ahluwalia
This is really naive, but here it what I found. I have a DSL connection with two other machines connected through a router in my house. I was able to telnet into other machines connected to this router and also ping them successfully. That suggests that the NIC is fine.(I am sure there is a better

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:03, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0500 > > Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant > > > in how I use whitespace. Though I will

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed > > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages. They were designed with > > large projects in mind (the

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:06, Tom Allison wrote: > I am getting really curious about these new Via CPU's that work on the > micro-ITX systems. I especially like the idea that I can get a very > functional machine with only 30W. Try 3W, not 30W. > But I'm just wondering if this is a little too g

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:42:47 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After having worked in a shop that gave only lip service to the > SDLC, I can guarantee you that in large projects, it is *absolutely* > *positively* 115% necessary. In management's rush to kiss the > customer's arse and p

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:42:47 -0500 Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's called bottom-up coding. I prefer it myself, after I've > roughed out a broad top-down design. Whoops, forgot this part. I will admit that this style might not be best for library work, however. Having the i

can't conect to xnest server - conection refused by server

2003-08-28 Thread Micha Feigin
I tried to run the xnest server for the fun of it, but I can't seem to be able to connect to the server. I am running xnest :1 Which starts up a new xnest window nicely. I then try to open and xterm on it using xterm -display :1, only I get the reply AUDIT: Thu Aug28 03:41:48 2003: 1783 Xnest: clie

Re: spamassassin

2003-08-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:56:22 +0200 (MEST), "J.A. de Vries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Tom Allison wrote: > > > Does spamassassin use relays.osirusoft.com? > > Yes. It will be removed in the next version. > > > I have a lot of DNS traffic r

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:13, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:57:27PM -0400, Al Davis wrote:

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:06, Tom Allison wrote: > > I am getting really curious about these new Via CPU's that work on the > > micro-ITX systems. I especially like the idea that I can get a very > > functional machine with only 30W. > > Try 3W,

Re: Debian and KDE (Update)

2003-08-28 Thread Greg Madden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 27 August 2003 07:28 pm, William Bradley wrote: > Thank you to the all the list members who offered their suggestions: > > Did the following: > 1. Removed X-window-system > 2. Installed KDM and set it as the default. > 3. Re-installed the

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread bob parker
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 00:17, Dave Howorth wrote: > >>> Unfortunately, nowadays "s/C /Perl /". > >> > >>Wouldn't it be easier to read if you wrote it s/C/Perl/ ? > > > > So that it wouldn't change Choo-choo to Perlhoo-choo. > > When I saw the question, I thought the obvious counter-example was so > t

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread bob parker
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:21, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > The recent COBOL discussion has gotten me to thinking. Some languages > > seem to be very popular in some situations. C is easily the dominant > > language for most things Linux. So

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread bob parker
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > > Frank Gevaerts wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > On the other hand, my 1GHz Athlon plays FPS games well, but sounds > > like a Boeing 737 is parked 2.5m from my head. ... > Hey, consider yourself lucky. I have an AMD 2500 XP+ (1.83 GHz) that > sounds like a 747 @ 1m :-) the cpu d

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:57:50 +1000 bob parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are using some graphical interface it just isn't faster at all. Dos > based programs were though, we had to get into Pentiums before Windows > proggies were up to what we had on the 286. Windows, yes. OS/2 v3.

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, [iso-8859-1] Roberto Sanchez wrote: > > > > On the other hand, my 1GHz Athlon plays FPS games well, but sounds > > > like a Boeing 737 is parked 2.5m from my head. > > ... > > > Hey, consider yourself lucky. I have an AMD

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Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 06:21:57 +0200 (CEST) Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, consider yourself lucky. I have an AMD 2500 XP+ (1.83 GHz) that > sounds like a 747 @ 1m :-) Funny, my brand new AMD 2500+ is as quiet as the PIII-667 it replaced. Try something more than a $.09 cooli

Rearranging hard drives

2003-08-28 Thread Brad Cramer
I currently have both of my hard drives on 1 ide channel 1 as master and 1 as slave. I have been using a scsi cd-rw and dvd drive but now I am getting ready to add a ide cd-rw and want to change my hard drive config and move them onto separate channels both as masters and make the cd-rw a slave on

Re: Rearranging hard drives

2003-08-28 Thread Roberto Sanchez
--- Brad Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > I currently have both of my hard drives on 1 ide channel 1 as master and > 1 as slave. I have been using a scsi cd-rw and dvd drive but now I am > getting ready to add a ide cd-rw and want to change my hard drive config > and move them onto separate

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 23:13, Jacob Anawalt wrote: > #192.168.1.1 doesn't get any traffic from us > iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.1.1 -j DROP > > That's the 'plumbing' level access to iptables which works for all Linux kernels > supporting iptables, irreguardless of distribution. In other words,

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Paul M Foster
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 05:08:08AM +0200, Thomas Krennwallner wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed Aug 27, 2003 at 07:12:35PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > and others. In the last few years, I switched over to C++. I have never > > taken so long to write programs in my entire life as when I was coding > >

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Alex Malinovich wrote: The recent COBOL discussion has gotten me to thinking. Some languages seem to be very popular in some situations. C is easily the dominant language for most things Linux. So therein lies the question. Why, exactly, is C so popular? Especially in comparison to C++. I can't th

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:03, Deryk Barker wrote: Thus spake Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:01:48 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm also very reluctant to learn Python because I'm very adamant in how I use whitespace. Tho

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
bob parker wrote: C is easier to learn than shell scripting, the elements at least, much less Perl. I personally find it quicker to code a dirty fix in C than anything else and would not really consider shell programming for anything other than glue for a sequence of other commands. Just my 2

Re: cloning Debian hard drive

2003-08-28 Thread Rogier Wolff
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:49:40PM +0200, mess-mate wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 11:49:44 +1000 > Corey Ralph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > | On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 01:27 AM, Victory wrote: > | > 1, Is there way to clone this hard drive ? > | > | If you are cloning it to an identical

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 14:45, Pigeon wrote: --snip-- > The tide really turned in Russia after an exploit against Microsoft > Powerpoint caused Vladimir Putin's presentation to the United Nations > to inform the assembled delegates that their mother was a hamster and > their father smelt of elderberr

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:43, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 16:01, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > Дана сре, 27-08-2003 у 13:06, Steve Lamb је написао: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 > > > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > with C. I'm also very reluctant to learn

Re: some reality about iptables, please

2003-08-28 Thread Jacob Anawalt
Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 23:13, Jacob Anawalt wrote: #192.168.1.1 doesn't get any traffic from us iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.1.1 -j DROP That's the 'plumbing' level access to iptables which works for all Linux kernels supporting iptables, irreguardless of distributi

Re: Xfree86.0.log error. Please help.

2003-08-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:32:13 -0700, "Greg Hazel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Aside from all the 4.2.1-10 nonsense with the XF86Config-4 changes > (ugg, what a pain) now I'm getting this: > > Fatal server error: > Cannot open log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log" ..'

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 01:13, Jacob Anawalt wrote: > bob parker wrote: > > > C is easier to learn than shell scripting, the elements at least, much > > less > > > >Perl. I personally find it quicker to code a dirty fix in C than anything > >else and would not really consider shell programming for

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:52:35 -0600 Jacob Anawalt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was this code on a Unix system, or did you have one nearby? Did you know > about the indent program at the time? (man indent) > It _seems_ to work for me to convert someone elses sytle (or lack of it) > in coding C in

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Steve Lamb
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:51:23 -0500 Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, I think I've written 2 shell scripts in my life. And I think > the most complex of the two was 6 lines long and used a for loop. On the > other hand, I generally write 2 Perl scripts daily that could quite > p

Re: more OT: search-and-replace commands (was Re: OT: Why is C sopopular?)

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 18:15, Yves Goergen wrote: > right. i was wondering, not long ago, if there's a possibility to > merge both parameters of the 'rename' shell script into one and port > all this to, say, windows. there are many situations where such a tool > would make my life a bit easier...

Re: Funny failure of a CR system on debian-devel

2003-08-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:55:38 -0500, John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > manoj writes: >> First, there was a notice that mail from debian-devel was >> quarantined, and there was a sekrit to send to unlock the >> mails. Next, we got a notice that the sekrit was successfully >> received. > It d

Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them

2003-08-28 Thread Thomas Gebhardt
Hi, > I have not, will not and never will use anyone elses domain name. The > address you see in any email is a result of your email programs > modifying email headers. Or someone is spoofing a mail. probably you are using something like From: kevin in your mail headers, which is not a valid ad

Re: virus' on the list

2003-08-28 Thread jqdkf
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:02:21AM +0200, BUIRA Etienne wrote: > > > > As we use Debian, I don't think there is the need for any company to > > protect us. As far as I know, linux is immune to any virus, and that's > > the main reason why I don't want to install windows on my machine. > > WRONG

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:49, bob parker wrote: --snip-- > I once wondered why all illustrations of C++ programming showed two classes, > foo and bar. The I discovered that 'fubarred' means 'fsked beyond repair'. > That is sufficient explanation. Actually, I believe it's meant to be 'fsckd up beyo

Re: LVM installation

2003-08-28 Thread Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 11:04:24PM -0400, Tom Allison wrote: > I haven't quit gotten everything in devfsd to work as I expected, I do not > have extended device names (No /dev/ide/... only /dev/hdaX) and I am not > certain as to why. Appending "devfs=mount" as a kernel boot parameter will mount

Re: Debian and KDE (Update)

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello Greg Madden (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 07:28 pm, William Bradley wrote: >> Thank you to the all the list members who offered their suggestions: >> Problem with kppp still: >> >> 1. Clicked on the "Internet Dialer" on the KDE menu got: >> >> KDEInit could not

Do we always have to reboot after installing a security update tomake sure that the update is actually used rather than just installed? (Re:keeping partitions mounted read-only)

2003-08-28 Thread Hans Wilmer
Shaun Crossley wrote: The problem with lsof is that a large number of files on /usr is listed, and I can?t tell which of them need to be closed and which can stay open. I have always understood that *any* open files would prevent a partition from being unmounted, and I assume the same is true

Re: Nautilus & Samba

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 19:33, Oki DZ wrote: > Hi, > > How do you relogin to an SMB domain in Nautilus? Once I tried to log in > to a machine in a domain, and then I disregard it (ie: not entering > user/password). When I retried to access the machine, Nautilus didn't > redisplay the login dialog

Re: Command line printing

2003-08-28 Thread Stefan Waidele jun.
Hi Wayne, Wayne Gemmell wrote: Hi all Now that I've got printing in KDE to work I need to get Openoffice and network(Samba) printing to work. You seem to be tackling many problems at once. First get the network printing to work, and then OOo. Also, from what you wrote below, I assume you use CU

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 01:55, Steve Lamb wrote: --snip-- > Hence it is not other people's style I dislike, it is the freakin' braces. startHolyWar(emacs-vs-vi); return 0; startHolyWar(typeOfWar) { do { print "Insert new response: "; $response = ; } until ($response =~ /[Hh]itler|[N

Delivery unsuccesful: Delivery problems

2003-08-28 Thread mailadmin
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