Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-08-04 Thread jeremy ardley
On 4/8/25 14:49, Maytham Alsudany wrote: It shows you that warning because LibreOffice's support for opening and saving Excel files is not perfect and does not support a few edge cases. It should work fine though 99% of the time. Asides from saving in Excel File format it has some problem wit

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-08-03 Thread Maytham Alsudany
On Sun, 2025-08-03 at 19:46 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > If Gnumeric is working for you then that is great. Concerning the > issue with saving a .xlsx file in LibreOffice -- it always gives me > that warning when I go to save a .xlsx file, but it always saves the > file just fine. At least, when

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-08-03 Thread Marc Shapiro
ard Owlett wrote: I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing needed data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents. I opened it - Debian defaulted to LibreOffice Calc. I tried to save it [unedited] to file2.xlsx

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-29 Thread Greg
On 2025-07-28, Andy Smith wrote: > > No accounting for taste and I'm glad you found some software you get > along with, but you do understand that the "Gnu" in "Gnumeric" has no > association whatsoever with GNU as in the Free Software Foundation, > right? Gnumeric is a GNOME project. Richard's a

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-29 Thread D MacDougall
On 7/28/25 08:44, Richard Owlett wrote: I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing needed data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents. I opened it - Debian defaulted to LibreOffice Calc. I tried to save

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Jan Claeys
On Mon, 2025-07-28 at 12:27 -0700, Van Snyder wrote: > Is there Debian software that can work with, and especially convert, > WordPerfect files? There is a library called libwpd which is used by LibreOffice, Abiword & Calligra Words, as well as a number of commandline tools (and some other applica

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Charles Curley
r that reads aloud in a synthetic voice gnumeric - spreadsheet application for GNOME - main program libwpd-0.10-10 - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (shared library) libwpd-dev - Library for handling WordPerfect documents (development) libwpd-doc - Library for handling WordPerfect doc

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread debian-user
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [1] > > https://www.fns.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/file/TFP-2021-Disaggregated-Market-Basket.xlsx > > > > I was unable to download this with wget -- it just hung for a while. > But when I pasted th

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Van Snyder
On Mon, 2025-07-28 at 20:21 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > OOXML's spec is roughly 6000 pages compared to roughly 900 for > LibreOffice's > ODF [1]. The reference also describes how the ISO approval process > was > highly controversial. Knuth's "The TeXbook" is 483 pages. Books about LaTeX, such

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Van Snyder
On Mon, 2025-07-28 at 12:01 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > Reading a document is often easier to implement than writing it out > correctly. Reading is also safer, because you're not overwriting any > data; if you try to save the document, you might be doing so to an > existing filename, and if the re

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Van Snyder
On Mon, 2025-07-28 at 11:55 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > There was the > suggestion that Microsoft chose that development path on purpose, > specifically in order to make it harder for anyone else to > interoperate > properly with those formats. Did WordPerfect (and then Corel) follow the same pat

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 7/28/25 20:50, Joe wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 20:43:52 +0200 Detlef Vollmann wrote: On 7/28/25 20:13, Richard Owlett wrote: Also gnumeric seemed faster. That's definitely true. I'm using gnumeric for essentially all my spreadsheet stuff. But it doesn't have as many fun

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 01:23:48PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 7/28/25 12:22 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Libreoffice generally works - but you could always try Gnumeric from > > the GNOME project. > > Someone else suggested Gnumeric. > Tried it. It appears more satisfactory. For me

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 7/28/25 20:13, Richard Owlett wrote: Also gnumeric seemed faster. That's definitely true. I'm using gnumeric for essentially all my spreadsheet stuff. But it doesn't have as many functions as Excel. And it doesn't really support conditional formatting where the for

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Detlef Vollmann
On 7/28/25 18:01, The Wanderer wrote: Reading a document is often easier to implement than writing it out correctly. Reading is also safer, because you're not overwriting any data; if you try to save the document, you might be doing so to an existing filename, and if the resulting format is inva

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
attempts to use the =IMPORT* functions were not successful, but the "save to a local file and then re-upload it" approach worked for me.) The spreadsheet has three tabs: "Cover Sheet", "Codebook" and "Disaggregated Market Basket". I'm guessing you wa

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 7/28/25 12:22 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing needed data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 11:55:57AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > I did see a blog post somewhere recently from someone griping about how > unnecessarily dense, complex, and impenetrable the Microsoft Office > document formats are, to such an extent that it makes implementing > support for th

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Richard Owlett
ve as xlsx by default, if you want. Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently read/write xlsx format? [never happy with LibreOffice text processing $#^$%YU] LibreOffice is very good at this. What was the actual problem (except for the warning)? /ralph I haven't check

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing needed > data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. > > I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents. > I opened it - Debi

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Ralph Aichinger
t; Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently read/write xlsx > format? [never happy with LibreOffice text processing $#^$%YU] LibreOffice is very good at this. What was the actual problem (except for the warning)? /ralph

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Nicolas George
> On 2025-07-28 at 11:52, Andy Smith wrote: > > I suspect you will find it unusable in anything but Microsoft > > software since that is their proprietary format. If that is the case, the odds are it will not work with a different enough version of Excel. I mean, are not documents produced by Fre

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread debian-user
Richard Owlett wrote: > I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing > needed data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. > > I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents. > I opened it - Debian defaulted to LibreOffice Calc. >

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:56:45AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 7/28/25 10:52 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > > I have never had an issue with LibreCalc's xls support. If an xls file > > is so complicated that LibreOffice can't read/write it properly, I > > suspect you will find it unusable in an

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-07-28 at 11:56, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 7/28/25 10:52 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >>> Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently >>> read/wri

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Richard Owlett
On 7/28/25 10:52 AM, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently read/write xlsx format? I have never had an issue with LibreCalc's xls support. If an xls file is so complicated

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2025-07-28 at 11:52, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently >> read/write xlsx format? > > I have never had an issue with LibreCalc's

Re: Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Does Debian have a spreadsheet program that can competently read/write xlsx > format? I have never had an issue with LibreCalc's xls support. If an xls file is so complicated that LibreOffice can't read/writ

Suitable-to-task Debian spreadsheet software

2025-07-28 Thread Richard Owlett
I found a USDA published spreadsheet[1] [in xlsx format] containing needed data. I saved it to a local directory with no problems. I copied it to another directory to prevent accidents. I opened it - Debian defaulted to LibreOffice Calc. I tried to save it [unedited] to file2.xlsx. Got dire

Re: Excel Spreadsheet to PDF (was: Re: PDF on debian)

2023-03-09 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:42 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:50:08 +0800 > Corey Hickman wrote: > > > If I want to convert some excel files to PDF, what's the suggested > > way? I know I can program with java to implement that, but if there > > are existing command-line soluti

Excel Spreadsheet to PDF (was: Re: PDF on debian)

2023-03-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:50:08 +0800 Corey Hickman wrote: > If I want to convert some excel files to PDF, what's the suggested > way? I know I can program with java to implement that, but if there > are existing command-line solutions I would like to try them. This really should have been a new em

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-25 Thread Russell
Weaver wrote: > On 24-04-2021 08:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. >>> Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the >>> baggage associated with either an &qu

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-24 Thread Weaver
On 25-04-2021 13:07, rustbuck...@pm.me wrote: > Weaver wrote: >> On 24-04-2021 08:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. >>>> Simple. >>>> Today, is there a useful spreadsheet progr

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-24 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think he also wanted something that doesn't require a desktop environment. AFAIK Gnumeric works fine in "naked X11". Stefan

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-24 Thread Bob Bernstein
Thank you all. For reasons completely beyond my grasp I selected 'teapot' for further investigation despite there being as far as I can tell no deb for it. Oh well. 9-) -- RSB

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-23 Thread Weaver
On 24-04-2021 08:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. >> Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the >> baggage associated with either an "office suite," or >> a

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. > Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the > baggage associated with either an "office suite," or > a "desktop environment?" I can mention `gnumeric

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-23 Thread Jude DaShiell
sure, teapot. On Fri, 23 Apr 2021, Dan Ritter wrote: > Bob Bernstein wrote: > > Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. > > > > Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the > > baggage associated w

Re: OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-23 Thread Dan Ritter
Bob Bernstein wrote: > Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. > > Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the > baggage associated with either an "office suite," or a "desktop > environment?"

OT: Freestanding spreadsheet program?

2021-04-23 Thread Bob Bernstein
Back in the good (bad?) old days of TRS-80, all we had was VisiCalc. Simple. Today, is there a useful spreadsheet program that does not rely on all the baggage associated with either an "office suite," or a "desktop environment?" Thx, -- "...that there is no gett

Re: Example(s) of recutils project flow? - was [FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?]

2020-08-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 07 aug 20, 07:33:05, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I had done similar search with DuckDuckGo receiving similarly useless hits. [...] > That's why I'm looking for a human's answer. It helps to specify in advance what you tried already and didn't work. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.de

Re: Example(s) of recutils project flow? - was [FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?]

2020-08-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 08/07/2020 06:46 AM, David wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 21:31, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ I've done a first read of the well written manual which has many examples of

Re: Example(s) of recutils project flow? - was [FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?]

2020-08-07 Thread David
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 21:31, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > You may wish to have a look at recutils: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ > I've done a first read of the well written manual which has many > examples of individual commands. Are there

Example(s) of recutils project flow? - was [FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?]

2020-08-07 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ but it may not have some of the functionality you wish (although you could build on it with shell scripts & awk, say). I've done a first read of the well written manual

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Tom Dial
On 7/29/20 06:03, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/29/2020 06:13 AM, Joe wrote: >> [snip] >> >> I'd recommend using the right tool for the job. >> > > Which is why I'll investigate. > Your approach is literally orders of magnitude more than I want. With respect, Joe is right, in my opinion based

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Joe
t; > Yes, indeed - it sure seems like SQL will be necessary for either > querying, or importing from, databases of nutritional content. > Building the app around and SQL engine - say SQL Lite - would seem to > make a lot of sense. > > Anything else, and some kind of converter

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/30/2020 09:51 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.  Yogi Berra

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 7/30/20 5:21 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: On Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 04:40, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: A database is over-kill for some personal preferences. I had mentioned spreadsheets in original post as I had

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thursday, 30 Jul 2020 at 06:15, Richard Owlett wrote: > Does that sound at all like I saw anything in favor of SQL ? ! No but you said: > IIRC, dBase was simpler. so I suggested a simple FOSS database system. Like I said, no worries. I obviously misunderstood what you were looking for.

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/30/2020 08:03 AM, Linux-Fan wrote: Richard Owlett writes: On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ but it may not have some of the functionality you wish (although you could build on it with shell script

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Linux-Fan
Richard Owlett writes: On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ but it may not have some of the functionality you wish (although you could build on it with shell scripts & awk, say). I've just begun going th

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ but it may not have some of the functionality you wish (although you could build on it with shell scripts & awk, say). I've just begun going through the manual [https

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/30/2020 04:21 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: On Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 04:40, Richard Owlett wrote: On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: You may wish to have a look at recutils: A database is over-kill for some personal preferences. I had mentioned spreadsheets in original post as I

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread tomas
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 01:09:15PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-07-29 05:03, Richard Owlett wrote: > > >[A suggested] approach is literally orders of magnitude more than I want. > > > Consider these idealized cost functions for solution technologies A, > B, and C: > > fA(t) = t

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-30 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Wednesday, 29 Jul 2020 at 04:40, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/27/2020 10:13 AM, Eric S Fraga wrote: >> You may wish to have a look at recutils: > > A database is over-kill for some personal preferences. > > I had mentioned spreadsheets in original post as I had visualized a I am confused. You

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-29 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-29 05:03, Richard Owlett wrote: [A suggested] approach is literally orders of magnitude more than I want. Consider these idealized cost functions for solution technologies A, B, and C: fA(t) = t*t + 1 fB(t) = (t/3)*(t/3) + 10 fC(t) = (t/10/*(t/10) + 100 Observe:

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/29/2020 06:13 AM, Joe wrote: [snip] I'd recommend using the right tool for the job. Which is why I'll investigate. Your approach is literally orders of magnitude more than I want.

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-29 Thread Joe
lthough you > > could build on it with shell scripts & awk, say). > > > > A database is over-kill for some personal preferences. Which isn't what you're talking about. > > I had mentioned spreadsheets in original post as I had visualized a > multipl

Re: [Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-29 Thread mick crane
On 2020-07-29 10:40, Richard Owlett wrote: A database is over-kill for some personal preferences. apropos of nothing I found this great, clear introduction to Perl/Tk for inputting how many cups of coffee and bacon sandwiches you had. https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-perltkm

[Interim Solution] Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-29 Thread Richard Owlett
onal preferences. I had mentioned spreadsheets in original post as I had visualized a multiple page spreadsheet. One page for the nutrient components of a food. One page that would be used to input date, food, and amount. A page that would have date and total of nutrient for that date. But I coul

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 7/27/20 9:59 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody wrote: But... isn't the tool the least of your problems? The big one being, where are you going to get your nutritional database. (Seems to me that most of what Weight Watchers and Noom do is collect data on millions of products.) From

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread mick crane
On 2020-07-27 22:46, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:34:39PM +0100, Joe wrote: The OP is in a learning experience, it's what retirement is for. Huh. I thought it was for doing what you want instead of what other people tell you that you "have to" do. That's funny considering

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
Yes, the Harbour project. https://harbour.github.io/ On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 9:57 PM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > There used to be an open-sourced version of Clipper, wasn't there? That > was the dBase 3 compiler from a 3rd party. Did that go extinct? > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 8:59 PM wrote: > >> S

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
There used to be an open-sourced version of Clipper, wasn't there? That was the dBase 3 compiler from a 3rd party. Did that go extinct? On Mon, Jul 27, 2020, 8:59 PM wrote: > Somebody wrote: > > But... isn't the tool the least of your problems? The big one being, > > where are you going to get

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread rhkramer
Somebody wrote: > But... isn't the tool the least of your problems? The big one being, > where are you going to get your nutritional database. (Seems to me that > most of what Weight Watchers and Noom do is collect data on millions of > products.) From my records in my free format database (which

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Jul 2020 at 15:46:08 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:39:11AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:16:45AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > For a project of this size an

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Joe
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 17:46:35 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:34:39PM +0100, Joe wrote: > >The OP is in a learning experience, it's what retirement is for. > > Huh. I thought it was for doing what you want instead of what other > people tell you that you "have to" do.

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Joe
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:22:12 +0200 wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 04:04:16PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:52:28PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > >And, in Greg's defense, he provided some code, something no > > >one of us did -- I'd say this round goes to him

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:34:39PM +0100, Joe wrote: The OP is in a learning experience, it's what retirement is for. Huh. I thought it was for doing what you want instead of what other people tell you that you "have to" do.

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Joe
On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:04:16 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:52:28PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >And, in Greg's defense, he provided some code, something no > >one of us did -- I'd say this round goes to him ;-) > > How? The OP request was for something simpler th

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 04:04:16PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:52:28PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >And, in Greg's defense, he provided some code, something no > >one of us did -- I'd say this round goes to him ;-) > > How? The OP request was for something simpler

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 04:04:16PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:52:28PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > And, in Greg's defense, he provided some code, something no > > one of us did -- I'd say this round goes to him ;-) > > How? The OP request was for something simpl

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 09:52:28PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: And, in Greg's defense, he provided some code, something no one of us did -- I'd say this round goes to him ;-) How? The OP request was for something simpler than SQL (presumably because he didn't want to learn SQL?), so the res

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 03:46:08PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:39:11AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > >OK, here's a quick program to show how it might be done. > > The question wasn't "what's your favorite programming language", was it? To be fair, the question

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:39:11AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:16:45AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 > database in a local file seems

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 7/27/20 11:16 AM, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 database in a local file seems well suited. Only on the internet can someone ask a simple question and get tcl as t

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:16:45AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 > >database in a local file seems well suited. > > Only on the internet can someone ask a simpl

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Jul 2020 at 11:16:45 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 > > database in a local file seems well suited. > > Only on the internet can someone ask a simpl

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:16:45AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 > > database in a local file seems well suited. > > Only on the internet can someone ask a sim

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 08:09:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: For a project of this size and scope, a Tcl application with an sqlite3 database in a local file seems well suited. Only on the internet can someone ask a simple question and get tcl as the answer. :-/

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Eric S Fraga
You may wish to have a look at recutils: https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/ but it may not have some of the functionality you wish (although you could build on it with shell scripts & awk, say). -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.3.7 on Debian bullseye/sid

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Ajith R
Hi, If you decide against a command line system and  decide to go SQL / Klexi way, I want to suggest to you a relatively lesser known integrated database system - http://www.suneido.com. It has been around for nearly 20 years. It is pretty easy to design and stable. It is FOSS. The only problem

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 02:45:58PM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > Since you probably would like an application with a nice interface > (curses, GUI, web), I'd suggest PHP. The platform for your interface is > in the server and the browser; you just have to write some HTML, which > is pretty easy. Ot

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-27 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-26 03:06, mick crane wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:55:35 -0700 David Christensen wrote: It's been a while, but Linux-Apache-MySQL-Perl worked for me back in the day: I'm not very good at this and wondered how to do it and thought could have things in a hash of hashes. As you ten

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 06:58:06PM +0100, Joe wrote: On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:24:25 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} >Neither I

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread Joe
On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:24:25 -0400 Michael Stone wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > >Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer"

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 10:24:25AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > >Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > >Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "program

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". IOW, I was n

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread Joe
On Sun, 26 Jul 2020 11:06:51 +0100 mick crane wrote: > On 2020-07-26 08:54, Joe wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:55:35 -0700 > > David Christensen wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> It's been a while, but Linux-Apache-MySQL-Perl worked for me back > >> in the day: > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.or

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread mick crane
On 2020-07-26 08:54, Joe wrote: On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:55:35 -0700 David Christensen wrote: It's been a while, but Linux-Apache-MySQL-Perl worked for me back in the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamp_stack I have a couple of early web applications written in Perl, but then I found PH

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-26 Thread Joe
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:55:35 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > > > It's been a while, but Linux-Apache-MySQL-Perl worked for me back in > the day: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamp_stack I have a couple of early web applications written in Perl, but then I found PHP. There's still no SQL

Re: Fwd: Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread Rh Kramer
s of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools? > Date: Saturday, July 25, 2020, 03:27:06 PM > From: Miles Fidelman > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > But... isn't the tool the least of your problems? The big one being, > where are you going to get your nutritional database.

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-25 13:22, Joe wrote: Shame about that. If you didn't need FOSS I'd recommend Microsoft Access, by far the best piece of software they ever produced (not that it's a high bar). It combines a simple database server, OK for one user, with a visual RAD system to make the user interface. Be

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, July 25, 2020 01:38:10 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. >{8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". > I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". > IOW,

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-25 10:38, Richard Owlett wrote: Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties.   {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". IOW, I was not in abject *AWE*

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread Joe
On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:38:10 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. >{8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". > I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". > IOW, I

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread David Wright
On Sat 25 Jul 2020 at 14:45:58 (-0400), Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > > Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "pr

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread Miles Fidelman
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". IOW, I

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". > I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". > IOW

Re: FOSS equivalents of *OLD* database and spreadsheet tools?

2020-07-25 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:38:10PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Back in 70's/80's I wrote programs as part of routine job duties. > {8080/8085 assembler, dBase and Paradox} > Neither I, nor my employers, classed me as a "programmer". > I was "Senior Engineering Tech" or "Junior Engineer". > IO

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