Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-09-25 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2015-08-31 15:41:01 -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > > For the record, lines starting with From are often escaped with > to > > avoid issues with mbox. So Vincent didn't purposefully prepend > to > > that. > > That's Debian's mailing-list software that

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-09-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-31 15:41:01 -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > > From the terminal point of view, the shell is just like another > > > process. > > > > Just to make it clear: I didn't write that, even though you'v

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > From the terminal point of view, the shell is just like another > > process. > > Just to make it clear: I didn't write that, even though you've made it > appear that I did by putting ">" in front of it. F

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-21 22:08:33 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > > No, here's what I said: > > > > > > | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like > > > | a space. The differentiation is use

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-21 22:08:33 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > No, here's what I said: > > > > | In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like > > | a space. The differentiation is useful mainly in source code > > | and when editing, thus it

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-21 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-21 08:36:43 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Erwan David (er...@rail.eu.org): > > > 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output > > > > Eh? The OP was speaking input. To summarise, &g

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-21 08:36:43 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Erwan David (er...@rail.eu.org): > > 1) You're speaking input, Vincent was speaking output > > Eh? The OP was speaking input. To summarise, > . Q: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ? > . A: I t

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-21 Thread David Wright
t; Why not? Let's substitute TAB TAB for NBSP in your comment. > > My terminal happily swallows TAB TAB with cat > file, and renders > > it correctly with cat file. But when I type TAB TAB as shell input, > > I get "Display all 3402 possibilities? (y or n)". It s

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-21 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-21 07:30:18 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 04:56:54AM CEST, David Wright > said: > > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > > On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > > > > > But the typograp

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread Erwan David
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 04:56:54AM CEST, David Wright said: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > > > > But the typographical purpose of NO-BREAK SPACE is to look > > > > like space

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-19 12:55:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > > In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like a space. > > > > Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to b

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > > > But the typographical purpose of NO-BREAK SPACE is to look > > > like space without inviting an automatic line break. > > > So making it look not l

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-19 16:33:09 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > > But the typographical purpose of NO-BREAK SPACE is to look > > like space without inviting an automatic line break. > > So making it look not like space would be absurd. > > But shell input is not a

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-19 12:55:39 -0500, David Wright wrote: > Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > > In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like a space. > > Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to be > displayed as a normal space? (For example, in the sh

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread ken
On 08/20/2015 01:59 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Hi, In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like a space. Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to be displayed as a normal space? (For example, in the shell, as in the OP's original question.) It seems a re

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-20 Thread Martin Read
On 20/08/15 06:59, Bonno Bloksma wrote: If you are talking about console use, indeed I would not know why I would want / need it there. Because you might be using your terminal to edit an input file for a document processing system which contains the character, or to create new files that co

RE: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-19 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> In general, one wants NO-BREAK SPACE to be displayed just like a space. > > Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to be displayed > as a normal space? (For example, in the shell, as in the OP's original > question.) > It seems a recipe for confusion at best, and for

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-19 Thread David Wright
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > David Wright wrote: > > Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to be > > displayed as a normal space? > > That's the question about the use case. > I don't have one. So i made Alt+Spacebar behave like Spacebar. That's what I'm att

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, sorry for sending this mail to the wrong thread on the first try. -- David Wright wrote: > Why would I want a character that doesn't behave as a space to be > displayed as a normal space? That's the question about the use case. I d

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-19 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-11 14:22:23 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > i wrote: > > > > Mine is a US QWERTY. Two "Alt" keys, no "AltGr". > > > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > It is written "Alt" on US keyboards, and "Alt Gr" on US-International > > > and non-US keyb

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-11 14:22:23 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i wrote: > > > Mine is a US QWERTY. Two "Alt" keys, no "AltGr". > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > It is written "Alt" on US keyboards, and "Alt Gr" on US-International > > and non-US keyboards. > > As X events mine are distinguished as A

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > Mine is a US QWERTY. Two "Alt" keys, no "AltGr". Vincent Lefevre wrote: > It is written "Alt" on US keyboards, and "Alt Gr" on US-International > and non-US keyboards. As X events mine are distinguished as Alt_L and Alt_R. (After all the translation stories i am not sure whether

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2015-08-10 16:52:04 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Well, it seems that there's some confusion. By "Alt", I meant the > > ISO_Level3_Shift key, which is bound to the physical Alt and AltGr > > keys in my keyboard configuration. > > Mine is a US QWERTY. Two "Alt" keys, no "AltGr". > http

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 12:39:32PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Next The Onion headline: a disgruntled Debian user opens fire at a X.org Is that some sort of American reference? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the pe

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > Well, it seems that there's some confusion. By "Alt", I meant the > ISO_Level3_Shift key, which is bound to the physical Alt and AltGr > keys in my keyboard configuration. Mine is a US QWERTY. Two "Alt" keys, no "AltGr". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Keyboard xkbdcomp reports it

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-10 Thread David Wright
Quoting Vincent Lefevre (vinc...@vinc17.net): > On 2015-08-10 13:02:07 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > On my Debian/unstable machine, Alt-space gives a normal space in > > > xterm. There must be something else in the user's config. > > > > Do you have any "Translation

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-10 13:02:07 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On my Debian/unstable machine, Alt-space gives a normal space in > > xterm. There must be something else in the user's config. > > Do you have any "Translation" among the xterm resources ? > > appres XTerm | fgrep

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-10 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On my Debian/unstable machine, Alt-space gives a normal space in > xterm. There must be something else in the user's config. Do you have any "Translation" among the xterm resources ? appres XTerm | fgrep ransl yields on my machine only my individual workaround

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-10 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-09 14:24:44 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > In other words, at the XKB level, the space key is the most boring key > ever. The conversion to non-break-space happens because of XTerm or its > libraries. On my Debian/unstable machine, Alt-space gives a normal space in xterm. There must be

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-09 Thread Nicolas George
Le duodi 22 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : > I guess Alt+Spacebar is about > > interpret Alt_L+AnyOf(all) { > virtualModifier= Alt; > action= SetMods(modifiers=modMapMods,clearLocks); > }; I do not think so. IIUC, it means that Alt_L enables the Alt virtua

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-09 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Nicolas George wrote: > I suppose everybody already knows this, but to check what keys applications > receive from the X11 server, the xev program can be of great help. Praise xev. > xkbcomp $DISPLAY - Nothing conclusive to see about "space" or "SPCE". > The xkb_types section defines type

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-09 12:39:32 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > If everything was not already complicated enough, shift, control and > caps-lock have each a fixed value in the state mask, but all the other > modifiers (from num-lock to alt-gr, including meta and super) arrive to the > application as mod1 to

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-09 Thread Nicolas George
Le duodi 22 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : > Still trying to grok the xkb stuff, i get the impression > that at least on my system xterm gets to see Alt+Space, not a > "nobreakspace" produced by general keyboard translations. I suppose everybody already knows this, but to check wh

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Wright wrote: > Poking around in /usr/share/X1/xkb/ I can see that rules/base has lines > like: >nbsp:level4 = +nbsp(level4) > // level3 & level3ns provide no-breaking spaces starting from level3 > // This is good for typographers but experience shows many users accidently > // type

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-08 Thread David Wright
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > My sunday afternoon endeavor: > > xev shows Alt+Space as four separate events: > Alt down, Space down, Space up, Alt up. > So it's not X which introduces the unwanted spaceoid. > od -x shows it as "a0c2". So here the translation has happened > already

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 10:54 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i just had some interesting minutes with this riddle in bash > on xterm: > > $ ls -l .. | wc > ls: cannot access .. : No such file or directory > > The refusal sticks to the command in libreadline's history > buffer and t

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > od -x shows it as "a0c2". David Wright wrote: > I think that's c2a0 (unfortunately we're little-endian). I would expect so. But it's $ echo " " | od -x 000 a0c2 000a 003 $ echo " " | od -t x1 000 c2 a0 0a 003 > You could try xrdb -merge $HOME/.Xr

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread David Wright
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > My sunday afternoon endeavor: > > xev shows Alt+Space as four separate events: > Alt down, Space down, Space up, Alt up. > So it's not X which introduces the unwanted spaceoid. > od -x shows it as "a0c2". So here the translation has happened > already.

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Wright wrote: > I tried Alt-Space and that's enough: > ls .. .. > ls: cannot access .. ..: No such file or directory Yes. I meanwhile found out the same by banging my forehead to the keyboard. It's an xterm thing. > so I think you'll have the problem every once in a while. Not with

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 02 August 2015 15:58:27 David Wright wrote: > Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > > Finally i found out that the refusing command line does not > > have an ASCII Blank (decimal 32) before the pipe symbol > > but rather UTF-8 code (194,160) which means U+00A0 > > "NO-BREAK SPACE"

Re: How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread David Wright
Quoting Thomas Schmitt (scdbac...@gmx.net): > Finally i found out that the refusing command line does not > have an ASCII Blank (decimal 32) before the pipe symbol > but rather UTF-8 code (194,160) which means U+00A0 > "NO-BREAK SPACE". > Obviously this does not count as whitespace in bash (vanill

How come i wrote a NO-BREAK SPACE in xterm+bash ?

2015-08-02 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i just had some interesting minutes with this riddle in bash on xterm: $ ls -l .. | wc ls: cannot access .. : No such file or directory The refusal sticks to the command in libreadline's history buffer and to copy+paste, but not to a manually retyped command: $ ls -l .. | wc 70

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Re: How come dist-upgrade needed in lenny?

2011-04-02 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2011-04-02, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: > Lenny can not install bind9 update in the usual upgrade way, because > this upgrade needs two package removals and two new packages to be > installed. I think this should be mentioned in the security note of this > bind9 upgrade or otherwise inform users s

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2010-04-09 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Stephen Powell wrote: On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:41:43 -0400 (EDT), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: How come the latest linux-image-2.6-686 in Sid is: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6-686 and is set to linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.32+24) while apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 gives

Re: how come...

2010-04-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:41:43 -0400 (EDT), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > How come the latest linux-image-2.6-686 in Sid is: > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6-686 > > and is set to linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.32+24) while apt-cache policy > linux-image-2.6-686 gi

Re: how come...

2010-04-09 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > How come the latest linux-image-2.6-686 in Sid is: > > http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6-686 > > and is set to linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.32+24) while apt-cache policy > linux-image-2.6-686 gives: >

Re: how come...

2010-04-09 Thread Mark Allums
On 4/9/2010 10:41 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, How come the latest linux-image-2.6-686 in Sid is: http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6-686 and is set to linux-image-2.6-686 (2.6.32+24) while apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 gives: linux-image-2.6-686: Installed: 2.6.32+25

how come...

2010-04-09 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
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2006-10-01 Thread Tom Verbreyt
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2005-10-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 25 October 2005 09:50, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: [...] Before you do that, what kernel version? There was a bug in one of the earlier 2.6 kernels that did that to me, and it included the /var directory so it was not recorded. Just one more

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Michael Gregg
Also you have to consider that many of the first and some of the second generation SATA drives are simply pata drives with bridge chips. The bridge chips reduce max bandwidth. You are also not going to be able to use things like commang queueing that SATA makes avalible with these dirves. most of

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 09:50, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: [...] >> Before you do that, what kernel version? There was a bug in one of >> the earlier 2.6 kernels that did that to me, and it included the /var >> directory so it was not recorded. >> >> Just one more reason to ha

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 25 October 2005 06:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Bruno Buys wrote: [...] And a few days ago when running Sarge on one of its partitions I got all sorts of trouble: ... kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb3, logical block 163858 kernel: lost page write due to I/

RE: Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Piszcz, Justin
: Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come? Bruno Buys wrote: > How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? > > > frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 October 2005 06:57, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >Bruno Buys wrote: [...] >And a few days ago when running Sarge on one of its partitions I got all >sorts of trouble: >... >kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdb3, logical block 163858 >kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on hdb3 >... >

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Bruno Buys wrote: How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 seconds = 56.56 MB/sec frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -T

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-25 Thread koray
Hi all, I think you look from the wrong side to the matter.SATA is a bus/protocol and the disk you use on this bus is a standart IDE disk. The advantage of this protocol is it can make "transfer rate" up to 150MB/s.But the main question is "can your sata disk read/write data up to 150MB/s?".

RE: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread J F
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Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 22:43 -0200, Bruno Buys wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 18:25 -0200, Bruno Buys wrote: > > > > > >>How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? > >> > >> > >>frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > >> > >>/dev/sda: > >> Timing cache

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Bruno Buys
Ron Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 18:25 -0200, Bruno Buys wrote: How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Bruno Buys
Thomas Weinbrenner wrote: Bruno Buys wrote: How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 seco

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-10-24 at 18:25 -0200, Bruno Buys wrote: > How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? > > > frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 sec

Re: IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Thomas Weinbrenner
Bruno Buys wrote: > How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? > frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda > /dev/sda: > Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 seconds = 56.56 MB/sec > Does anybody have a

IDE hdd faster than sata? How come?

2005-10-24 Thread Bruno Buys
How good is hdparm benchmark for sata? What am I missing here? frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 2368 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1183.00 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 170 MB in 3.01 seconds = 56.56 MB/sec frank:/home/bruno# hdparm -Tt /dev/hda /dev/hd

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Hi, When I ran "w" command, I was so surprised to find that the idle time is 3 times bigger as the uptime. How come? $ w 15:11:10 up 61 days, 1:20, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT roo

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-21 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 08:40:34PM -0500, Stefhen Hovland wrote: > I dont know if this has been asked before, but one thing I notice which > is missing from .deb's is a field for a package's homepage URL. This was a > nice > thing with gentoo ebuilds, in that there was a homepage field for each >

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-21 Thread Jon Dowland
Stefhen Hovland wrote: I am sure about 99% of packages out there have a homepage I think the ratio is much smaller than that but I will not offer a figure myself :-) Most packages have the URL, where applicable, in the copyright file for the program. I wouldn't like to see debian become to

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-21 Thread Florian Ernst
Hello *, On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 10:27:14PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > [...] > In short, once the specifics get hammered out, it will likely happen. > Not sure if it will make it in time for the Etch release, but it will > happen eventually. And until this might happen the Developer's Ref

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-21 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 08:40:34PM -0500, Stefhen Hovland wrote: > I dont know if this has been asked before, but one thing I notice which > is missing from .deb's is a field for a package's homepage URL. Well, you can always go to: http://packages.debian.org/ But that is the homepage for the De

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-20 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 08:40:34PM -0500, Stefhen Hovland wrote: > I dont know if this has been asked before, but one thing I notice which > is missing from .deb's is a field for a package's homepage URL. This was a > nice > thing with gentoo ebuilds, in that there was a homepage field for each >

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-20 Thread Stefhen Hovland
> > > > Search for the name of the packge in http://packages.gentoo.org/ then click > > on > > the homepage link ^^ > > that's great, but i dont want to have to depend on the gentoo webpage for info on debian packages..

Re: How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-20 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
Stefhen Hovland wrote: I dont know if this has been asked before, but one thing I notice which is missing from .deb's is a field for a package's homepage URL. This was a nice thing with gentoo ebuilds, in that there was a homepage field for each package, so it was nice and easy for me to cut and

How come packages dont have a homepage field?

2005-06-20 Thread Stefhen Hovland
I dont know if this has been asked before, but one thing I notice which is missing from .deb's is a field for a package's homepage URL. This was a nice thing with gentoo ebuilds, in that there was a homepage field for each package, so it was nice and easy for me to cut and paste to firefox and chec

Re: filesystem suddenly read-only - how come?

2001-11-16 Thread Erik Steffl
nate wrote: > > Erik Steffl said: > > > (that was the only error) > > try forcing a bad block scan. when ive gotten that remounting > error i had bad blocks. a good sign for a failing drive or > otherwise misconfigured system(cable too long, controller > going bad, bad driver etc) would be if t

Re: filesystem suddenly read-only - how come?

2001-11-16 Thread nate
Erik Steffl said: > (that was the only error) try forcing a bad block scan. when ive gotten that remounting error i had bad blocks. a good sign for a failing drive or otherwise misconfigured system(cable too long, controller going bad, bad driver etc) would be if the system says FILE SYSTE

Re: filesystem suddenly read-only - how come?

2001-11-16 Thread Erik Steffl
nate wrote: > > Erik Steffl said: > > system: debian unstable, kernel 2.4.10 > > > > my /home filesystem was suddenly read-only, here' what I've found: > > > I mounted the filesystem, restarted xdm and everything looks ok... > > any > > ideas on what's going on? > > while i can't speak for 2

Re: filesystem suddenly read-only - how come?

2001-11-16 Thread nate
Erik Steffl said: > system: debian unstable, kernel 2.4.10 > > my /home filesystem was suddenly read-only, here' what I've found: > I mounted the filesystem, restarted xdm and everything looks ok... > any > ideas on what's going on? while i can't speak for 2.4.10 but 2.2 will remount a filesy

filesystem suddenly read-only - how come?

2001-11-16 Thread Erik Steffl
system: debian unstable, kernel 2.4.10 my /home filesystem was suddenly read-only, here' what I've found: /var/log/syslog: ... Nov 15 23:38:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[18175]: (list) CMD ([ -x /usr/bin/python -a -f /usr/lib/mailman/cron/q runner ] && /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrun

Re: Hey! ;) How come qmail is already in my passwd and group files???

1997-08-14 Thread Paul Miller
I can only answer your last question.. the experimental directory is in the projects directory.. I know its on sunsite.unc.edu if you can't find it elsewhere. -Paul On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, David M wrote: > I think the .deb package for qmail might make things alot easier :) Any > tips where I can

Hey! ;) How come qmail is already in my passwd and group files???

1997-08-14 Thread David M
Hello guys, I am about to install qmail when, voila! Qmail has already the user ids and groups created in /etc/passwd and /etc/group??? I never installed qmail before and it is not a package in dselect... so I assume smartlist or some other package added this in for me??? Also the sh in my cu

Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?

1997-01-21 Thread Ioannis Tambouras
The gs-aladdin_4.03-6.deb package (or a newer version) is in non-free. Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 768/429EE365, West Palm Beach, Florida On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: > Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better > fonts/features? > > > -- > TO U

Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?

1997-01-21 Thread David Puryear
Hi, Robert Nicholson wrote: > > Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better > fonts/features? This is in ~/non-free/ as gs-aladdin_4.03-7.deb Later, David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL

Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?

1997-01-21 Thread Carlo U. Segre
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: > Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better > fonts/features? > It is in the non-free part of the tree as 'gs-aladdin' Cheers, Carlo *** *

Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?

1997-01-21 Thread Philippe Troin
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:43:26 EST Robert Nicholson ([EMAIL PROTECTED] om) wrote: > Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better > fonts/features? Aladdin ghostscript comes with the non-free debian section. Look it there under gs-aladdin. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAIL

How come no Aladdin ghostscript?

1997-01-21 Thread Robert Nicholson
Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How come there is no `Reply to' field

1996-12-28 Thread Vociferous Mole
On Dec 27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Hudon) wrote: > On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Walter Tautz wrote: > > > I am curious as to why there is no `Reply to' field from this list? Is > > this a deliberate technique to decrease traffic. Just wondering... > > Because "Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" is evil. :

Re: How come there is no `Reply to' field

1996-12-27 Thread Walter Tautz
Test of the reply to by responding `y' to reply to all recipients under pine. Please ignore. -Walter -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How come there is no `Reply to' field

1996-12-27 Thread Christian Hudon
On Sat, 21 Dec 1996, Walter Tautz wrote: > I am curious as to why there is no `Reply to' field from this list? Is > this a deliberate technique to decrease traffic. Just wondering... Because "Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" is evil. :-) Actually, I had a pointer to a site that explained why Reply-t

How come there is no `Reply to' field

1996-12-21 Thread Walter Tautz
I am curious as to why there is no `Reply to' field from this list? Is this a deliberate technique to decrease traffic. Just wondering... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]