Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 15 sep 21, 09:54:29, John Hasler wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. > > I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. > I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with > freed

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/15/2021 6:45 AM, Brian wrote > I was also rather hoping Tanstaafl would contribute a few words on how > the unstable model contrasts with Gentoo's rolling release model. Well, it's been many years, but basically, you could select what 'branch' you were on using keywords (stable, testing, etc)

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread John Hasler
The Wanderer writes: > In theory you could, but in practice it would break well before that. I run Sid on my desktop. It's been years since I've had any breakage. I suspect that it's because I run FVWM, avoid anything connected with freedesktop.org or Gnome, and am careful about when to upgrade.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Curt
On 2021-09-14, Brian wrote: >> >> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated >> regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go for testing if you want to be a little > conservative? > >> Anyone do thi

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-15 at 06:45, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: >>> Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it >>> updated regularly? >> >> In theory you could, but in practice it would break we

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 22:42:12 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:06:47AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Technically, yes. > > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') s

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-15 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 16:33:55, Tanstaafl wrote: > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? Technically, yes. > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I used to run sid as the main system on my daily driver laptop. Having

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 14 sep 21, 23:18:48, Brian wrote: > On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > > regularly? > > Why not? Update when you want to. How does this differ from Gentoo's > rolling release aspect? Go fo

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread tomas
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a form

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-09-14 at 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > >> On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want >>> to set up, but it depends... >>> >>> I'm a former Gentoo user, and

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Brian
On Tue 14 Sep 2021 at 16:33:55 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > >> up, but it depends... > >> > >> I'm a former

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? > > I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*. yes indeed. server + sid is contradicting somehow unless you do development of server software -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 04:33:55PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hmmm... ok, so, I could run sid 'forever', as long as I keep it updated > regularly? > > Anyone do this for important (maybe not 'mission critical') servers? I'm sure someone does, but it's not *wise*.

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Tanstaafl
On 9/13/2021 11:02 AM, Brian wrote > On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set >> up, but it depends... >> >> I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release >> aspect, since i

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 14 sept. 2021, 16:35 de amaca...@einval.com: > Debian 11 - Bullseye - released on 14th July 2021 will have [at least] five > years > support as stable/oldstable. > > Three years between releases > ~ two years ;) > plus a year after the next release plus usually > two years LTS support after

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 02:33:23AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > > distros. > Debian 11 - Bullseye

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 13 sep 21, 10:18:54, Tanstaafl wrote: > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. You already received good answers for your questions, so I'll just add that one of Debian's stre

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:58:26AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > 6) After that year, the release goes into "long-term support" mode, and >received security bug fix support from a different team. The LTS >team may choose to support only server packages, not desktop packages. > A slight

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Brian
On Mon 13 Sep 2021 at 10:18:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > Hello, > > So, I'm considering Debian for a new homebrew MX gateway I want to set > up, but it depends... > > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 10:18:54AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: > I'm a former Gentoo user, and really appreciated the rolling release > aspect, since it meant no huge jumps between LTS releases with other > distros. > > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the nex

Re: LTS versions - confusion

2021-09-13 Thread IL Ka
> > So... what is the current LTS version and when is its EOL, and when will > the next one be released, and what will be its EOL? > In Debian world "stable" version created every several years, so you can move from one stable to another. Here is info about current versions https://wiki.debian.or