Steve Litt writes:
> We had an operating system, somebody vastly altered it, some of us see
> the vast alterization basically breaking the software, and we bitched
> about having someone, even though they're developers, break our
> software.
We didn't bitch about it, we made bug reports and the
Reco writes:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:01AM +0200, lee wrote:
>> Reco writes:
>>
>> > About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
>> > compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
>> > seems to be the main lee's concern).
>>
>
On Mi, 01 oct 14, 18:27:29, Slavko wrote:
>
> in another thread you suggest to read whole posts, please apply this
> to self too. I will not repeat all here again, but yes, i tried it and
> not only once!
I do usually read very carefully the post I'm replying to and it wasn't
mentioned in it (I
Ahoj,
Dňa Wed, 1 Oct 2014 02:05:42 +0300 Andrei POPESCU
napísal:
> On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
> >
> > BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
> > solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
> > (now default) init system due DE. An
On Du, 28 sep 14, 20:04:22, Slavko wrote:
>
> BTW, what you recommends is to change the DE due systemd, strange
> solution. I want the exact opposite solution - i want to change the
> (now default) init system due DE. And if you dont know why, then i will
> tell you - because most of my work is do
Hi.
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:11:01AM +0200, lee wrote:
> Reco writes:
>
> > About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
> > compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
> > seems to be the main lee's concern).
>
> I didn't have a server ba
Reco writes:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > > Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case all
> > > the trouble.
> >
> > I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've encountered specific cases
> > where the headers are differen
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Rusi Mody wrote:
> A recent question of mine:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/08/msg01394.html
This is because upower is architecture:any, but cannot be co-installed
with another version of upower.
If the dependency on upower is reasonable, but as long as upower i
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On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 PM, lee wrote:
> Reco writes:
>
>> What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your
>> option? I'm really curious as all multiarch complains I've seen
>> so far (barring actual package limits) were easily solv
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:46:04 +0200
lee wrote:
> Ansgar Burchardt writes:
>
> > If you don't want to use Debian then don't. But if you don't even
> > want to use it, making lots of complaints about it seems uncalled
> > for...
>
> There is a difference between using something because it works a
Reco writes:
> About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
> compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
> seems to be the main lee's concern).
I didn't have a server back then --- and software to run on my computer
which worked fine until so
Reco writes:
> What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your option?
> I'm really curious as all multiarch complains I've seen so far (barring
> actual package limits) were easily solved just by reading an appropriate
> man page (or Debian wiki page).
> And, IMO, Debian's current
Ansgar Burchardt writes:
> If you don't want to use Debian then don't. But if you don't even want
> to use it, making lots of complaints about it seems uncalled for...
There is a difference between using something because it works and using
something because you want to use it. In none of the c
On 09/28/2014 09:28 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote:
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees wrote:
edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
headers are done be
On 09/28/2014 06:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 01:48:47PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
>> On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
>> I'm aware of BSD-style init, but the mailing-list thread [1] I posted
>
> [1
Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:42:36AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
seems to be the main lee's concern).
I do it all the time. Packaging
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On 09/29/2014 at 12:03 PM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>>> Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case
>>> all the trouble.
>>
>> I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:42:36AM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >About the only thing that I'm missing here is why would anyone should
> >compile anything on a production server, Xen's dom0 specifically (as it
> >seems to be the main lee's concern).
>
> I do it all the time. Packaging of
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:28:55AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> > Header files are arch-agnostic, it's the .la files that case all
> > the trouble.
>
> I'm afraid that's not always the case. I've encountered specific cases
> where the headers are different between architectures.
Hmm. Kernel
Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
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On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up
wi
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On 09/29/2014 at 10:49 AM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
>> On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
>>> What's wrong with the current multiarch implementation in your
>>> option? I'm really cu
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 07:50:21AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
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> On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
> >
> >> Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when th
Hi.
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 03:21:47AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
>
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > > Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
> > > their brokenarch and
This came across another list, in relation to Apple's latest iOS
update. It just seems so appropriate to the systemd discussion:
However, for iOS major releases, almost immediately you start to see app
updates that require the new iOS release. So at least for iOS, you're
almost forced into maj
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On 09/29/2014 at 05:49 AM, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
>
>> Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up
>> with their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible
>> fix for
On Monday, September 29, 2014 3:40:01 PM UTC+5:30, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
> > Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
> > their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the
> > things they broke. The
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 04:31:01PM +0200, lee wrote:
> Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
> their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the
> things they broke. The only reason I'm here is because I have it
> running on my server, and th
Hi.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 03:21:13PM +0200, Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> napísal:
>
> > But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
> > Debian still is this:
> >
> > *Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
>
> You
On Monday, September 29, 2014 2:40:02 AM UTC+5:30, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Change is life.
> > There is nothing static in life.
> How Eastern Philosophical. I may have to climb a mountain and fast for
> a month to reach your level of en
It is boiling hot here for days, and if you consider other similar topics,
well then, for decades! I like that.
It this going to bring some change to status que?
Best
，
He who is worthy to receive his days and nights is worthy to receive* all
else* from you (and me).
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Change is life.
There is nothing static in life.
So all the fuss about wearing those grounded, anti-static wrist straps
is just a hoax?
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On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 01:48:47PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
> On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
> >> can't use.
> >>
> >> I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't
> >> work on bsds (that's a parap
On 09/25/2014 05:00 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:15:36PM -0700, koanhead wrote:
>> can't use.
>>
>> I brought this up once on #offtopic and was told that sysvinit doesn't
>> work on bsds (that's a paraphrase using the same words, not a quote) and
>> then ridiculed.
>
>
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:57:12 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
> >
> > Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> > > > John Hasler wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 19:04:22 Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz
>
> napísal:
> > On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
> > > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
> > > >> For
lee writes:
> I'm merely participating in the discussion and haven't entirely made up
> my mind what the issue actually is and what I should do.
[...]
> Debian already lost me (after over 15 years) when they came up with
> their brokenarch and left users stranded with no possible fix for the
> thi
On 28/09/14 18:57, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
I want change. Change is life. There is
nothing static in life.
That's a nice "kitchen philosophy" (as we would call it in German), and
one that the sellers of novelties of all kind will appreciate.
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Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:08:39 +0100 Lisi Reisz
napísal:
> On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
> > On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
> > >> For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
> > >> without syst
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee:
>> Martin Steigerwald writes:
>> > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
>> >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
>> >> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee:
>> Martin Steigerwald writes:
>> > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
>> > Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
>>
>> I think I see why you think so.
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee:
>> Martin Read writes:
>> > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
>> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
>> >
>> > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
>> > developers' decision
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects tak
On Sunday 28 September 2014 17:01:45 Martin Read wrote:
> On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
> >> For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
> >> without systemd in debian
> >
> > Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am su
Steve Litt wrote:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200
Slavko wrote:
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
napísal:
But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
Debian still is this:
*Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
You are right. For now
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 11:18:22 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
>
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> > > John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Miles Fidelman writes:
> > > >> the technical committee selects tak
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:38:16 -0400 Steve Litt
napísal:
> Don't forget to try the various BSDs. As long as your BSD can run qemu
> or another VM, you can use Debian for that one or two programs that
> don't work under your chosen BSD. I think that with a bind mount you
> can even read and
On 28/09/14 16:35, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others.
The Trinity Desktop Environment is not, as far
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:21:13 +0200
Slavko wrote:
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
> napísal:
>
> > But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
> > Debian still is this:
> >
> > *Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
>
> You are right.
On Sunday 28 September 2014 14:21:13 Slavko wrote:
> For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
> without systemd in debian
Nonsense!! You can have TDE for a start, and I am sure that there are others.
Lisi
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 11:02:35 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> > John Hasler wrote:
> > > Miles Fidelman writes:
> > >> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially
> > >> imposes systemd on all of the upstream de
* On 2014 28 Sep 08:23 -0500, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees wrote:
> > edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
> > writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
> > headers are done better than I want to bother checking
Ahoj,
Dňa Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:56:08 +0200 Martin Steigerwald
napísal:
> But my challenge to all of you who don´t want systemd as default in
> Debian still is this:
>
> *Stop* complaining and *start* acting.
You are right. For now it seems, that there is no chance to get DE
without systemd in d
On 27 September 2014 03:45, Joel Rees wrote:
> edumaction? I saw that and checked the headers, because what you are
> writing here seems a bit out of character. If this is a spoof, the
> headers are done better than I want to bother checking, unless you
> tell me so.
Typo, I think.
http://www.ur
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 07:51:14 schrieb The Wanderer:
> On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to
> > implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep
> > your power with yourself, instead of giving
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On 09/28/2014 at 05:34 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to
> implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep
> your power with yourself, instead of giving it to others, you a
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 23:21:36 schrieb martin f krafft:
> also sprach Steve Litt [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
> > If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
> > I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
>
> Beautiful. I had to:
> https://twitter.com/ma
Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee:
> Martin Read writes:
> > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
> >
> > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
> > developers' decision to not change the interface in respo
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:55:36 schrieb lee:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> > Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
> > Cause what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
>
> I think I see why you think so. What makes you think that anything
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:13:21 schrieb lee:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> > Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
> >> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
> >> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
> >> > of systemd to fi
Am Samstag, 27. September 2014, 22:04:38 schrieb lee:
> Andrei POPESCU writes:
> > On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
> >> Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
> >> of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
> >> them, so obvious
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 19:08:13 schrieb Ric Moore:
> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
> > Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
> >> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
> >> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 13:08:50 schrieb The Wanderer:
> On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> > On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> - but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and
> >> every upstream developer?
> >
> > As far as I can see, the issue that p
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 14:51:01 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> John Hasler wrote:
> > Miles Fidelman writes:
> >> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
> >> systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
> >
> > Where the hell do you get that from?
>
>
Hi Miles,
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 11:09:07 schrieb Miles Fidelman:
> Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee:
> >> Martin Steigerwald writes:
> >>> Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
>
Scott Ferguson writes:
> On 28/09/14 06:13, lee wrote:
>> Martin Steigerwald writes:
>>
>>> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
> Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
> of systemd
Martin Read writes:
> On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
>
> Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
> developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your
> complaint was also reasonable.
I never said it was
On 28/09/14 06:13, lee wrote:
> Martin Steigerwald writes:
>
>> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
>>> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings abou
On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177
Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd
developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your
complaint was also reasonable. (The Fedora users mailing list thread you
linked
Andrei POPESCU writes:
> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
>>
>> Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
>> of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
>> them, so obviously they don't want to fix them. I've seen for myself
>> th
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
>> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
>> > Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
>> > of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware of
>> > t
Martin Steigerwald writes:
> Why do I think that you do not want change from the *current* situation?
> Cause
> what you do, in my oppinion does not facilitate change.
I think I see why you think so. What makes you think that anything you
or I could do would change anything?
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Le 27/09/2014 01:08, Ric Moore a écrit :
> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
>> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
>>> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and
>>> hide his
>>> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
>>> harden
>>> up
Miles Fidelman writes:
> We have things like the LSB precisely to provide a standard platform.
And Debian has an LSB package. Install it and your LSB-compliant
software will run (assuming dependencies are satisfied: those are your
problem if you are not using the packaging system). If you know o
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
Again, in the real world of operations - not all code is installed
from packages. There's an awful lot of ./configure; ./make install
That has nothing to do with Debian. How can your difficulties
installing some tarball be construed as Debian imposing
On 09/26/2014 08:48 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote:
I'd appreciate an insight into the reductive reasoning you used to
arrive at your belief?
I was going to reply with links, pictures, and graphs. Then I figured
what for? Tell ya what ...this time next year, we'll re-visit this topic
and we'll see
On 27/09/14 12:31, green wrote:
> green wrote at 2014-09-26 21:04 -0500:
>> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 18:08 -0500:
>>> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
So, all other things being equal, binary logs are more secure than
plain text logs. Is that actually what you are saying?
>>>
>>
green wrote at 2014-09-26 21:04 -0500:
> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 18:08 -0500:
> > On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
> > >So, all other things being equal, binary logs are more secure than
> > >plain text logs. Is that actually what you are saying?
> >
> > Yes. The benefit of using a bina
Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 18:08 -0500:
> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
> >Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
> >>Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
> >>doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
> >>up our sy
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
>>
>> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
>>>
>>> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
>>> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
>>> h
On 27/09/14 09:08, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
>> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
>>> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide
>>> his
>>> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to
-8<
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:05:25 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Miles Fidelman writes:
> > Again, in the real world of operations - not all code is installed
> > from packages. There's an awful lot of ./configure; ./make install
>
> That has nothing to do with Debian. How can your difficulties
> insta
Ric Moore wrote:
> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
> up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only secure server OS,
> as they don't mind hiding things at all.
>
> Ye
Miles Fidelman writes:
> Again, in the real world of operations - not all code is installed
> from packages. There's an awful lot of ./configure; ./make install
That has nothing to do with Debian. How can your difficulties
installing some tarball be construed as Debian imposing anything on
upstr
On 9/26/2014 5:08 PM, green wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
>> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
>> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
>> up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only se
On 09/26/2014 05:08 PM, green wrote:
Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only secure s
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuff to run on Debian, I
now have to include systemd init scripts (or the packagers do).
Very few packages need init scripts.
First of all, that's simply not true in the server world. Pretty much
everythi
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 09/26/2014 06:06 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>>
>> Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
>>>
>>> On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the mak
Miles Fidelman writes:
> If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuff to run on Debian, I
> now have to include systemd init scripts (or the packagers do).
Very few packages need init scripts. When they are the Debian package
maintainer writes them no matter what init system is in use. In a
also sprach Steve Litt [2014-09-26 18:26 +0200]:
> If systemd was just a PID1 with the features you enumerate above,
> I'd be dancing in the street, not looking for a way out.
Beautiful. I had to:
https://twitter.com/martinkrafft/status/515611660128903170 ;)
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Ric Moore wrote at 2014-09-26 14:18 -0500:
> Change is certainly needed when any pimple face kid can edit and hide his
> doings from a text log with nano. I think the change is necessary to harden
> up our systems. Otherwise, Microsoft will become the only secure server OS,
> as they don't mind hid
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:53:01 -0400 Miles Fidelman
napísal:
> Martin Read wrote:
> > On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >> So let's see:
> >> - the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially
> >> imposes systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
> >
> >
On 09/26/2014 06:06 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. September 2014, 10:43:14 schrieb Andrei POPESCU:
On Vi, 26 sep 14, 01:58:44, lee wrote:
Again, I consider it to be totally futile to try to convince the makers
of systemd to fix the issues it brings about. They cannot be unaware
John Hasler wrote:
Miles Fidelman writes:
the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
Where the hell do you get that from?
Isn't that effectively what happened?
If I'm an upstream developer, and I want my stuf
Martin Read wrote:
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with
respect to what *ups
The Wanderer writes:
> If you're saying to take the problem to the individual upstreams, then
> you are effectively saying that you believe that systemd upstream
> already is uncooperative, and already is refusing to fix the problems.
I get the distinct impression that systemd upstream views these
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On 09/26/2014 at 12:44 PM, Martin Read wrote:
> On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>> - but the resulting impacts should be taken up with each and
>> every upstream developer?
>
> As far as I can see, the issue that people are suggesting sho
On 26/09/14 16:09, Miles Fidelman wrote:
So let's see:
- the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
The technical committee has no authority (and limited soft power) with
respect to what *upstream* developers (i
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:03:57 +0200
Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 22:53:09 schrieb The Wanderer:
> > On 09/25/2014 at 06:09 AM, martin f krafft wrote:
> > > But dependency creep is unfortunately nothing new ever since we
> > > declared next year the Year o
Miles Fidelman writes:
> the technical committee selects takes a vote that essentially imposes
> systemd on all of the upstream developers and packagers
Where the hell do you get that from?
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Martin Steigerwald wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 25. September 2014, 01:45:50 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald writes:
Am Montag, 22. September 2014, 23:50:46 schrieb lee:
Martin Steigerwald writes:
Do you really think they will be able to prevent all the other
software from depending on a particula
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