Am Sonntag, 28. September 2014, 04:35:03 schrieb lee: > Martin Read <zen75...@zen.co.uk> writes: > > On 27/09/14 21:04, lee wrote: > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=990177 > > > > Your complaint about the interface is reasonable. The systemd > > developers' decision to not change the interface in response to your > > complaint was also reasonable. > > I never said it was totally unreasonable. I'm saying it would probably > be easy to fix and that they simply don't want to. If they wanted to, > they could and would.
It is still *one* bug report tough. Yes, I know there are others, systemd developers closed as won´t fix. Yet, look around a bit: That is true for *any* bigger software project I have seen so far. Lots of "won´t fix" bug in KDE´s bugzilla as well for example. And I do not always agree with the decisions. So acting for change, you may meet resistance. But that initially resistance is just that… an initial response towards change. A even natural response. Yet it does not mean that change is impossible. Quite the opposite is true. I have seen systemd upstream and also systemd debian developers acting on bugs and fixing them. Yes, I was frustrated with some of the reactions of Michael Biebl for example, closing bugs quickly without resolving them, but first I found my tone at that time to be contributing to that outcome, and second after I pleaded to him in one bug report not to close it immediately, he didn´t close it… and… we worked together on some other issues. He told me what about he needs and I gave it to him. Was it an easy ride for me? No. For him? I bet not. But that way I have facilitated some change. It may also be true that systemd upstream won´t be willing to implement the change you want to see. But if you choose to keep your power with yourself, instead of giving it to others, you are still powerful, even in that case. An there are other options to create change. I also still believe that if systemd developers did completely off the limits think, they would quickly be forked. I also believe that if Linus messed up horribly with Linux developers, someone would start a Linux kernel fork. So I believe there is quite some peer review with systemd stuff and there is some real agreeing to they way it implements thing. And there are alternatives of which you may to choose any of them. A co-worker goes with sysvinit, systemd and cgmanager cause he dislikes systemd. I encouraged him to. This way I find bugs in systemd stuff as I chose to give it a chance, and he finds bugs in the alternative. You are free and powerful to do something like that and I highly encourage you to do it. Its still about choice in Debian. Jessie will support alternative init systems. And you can help with that. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/7263586.nK0vUN3ayF@merkaba
