Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-09 Thread hmh
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 04:54:57AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Erik Steffl wrote: > > are you talking about pre-2k times only? I mean during last four years > > imap support seems to be pretty good (and improving). Thunderbird > > definitely isn't the first usable MUA, as far as imap support goes.

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Ernst-Magne Vindal
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0400 > From: Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debian-user > Subject: Re: On IMAP servers > Resent-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:43:46 -0500 (CDT) > Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debia

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Block
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 04:43:42PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Steve Block wrote: Apple's Mail.app has done it well for years. It's still the best damn mail client I've ever used. Have you tried GNUMail.app (Debian package by the same name)? I

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Tom Allison
Franki wrote: Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:23:43AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Jun 05 2005, Steve Lamb wrote: I'd say go with UW's IMAP server. I'd say go with UW's IMAP server *only* if your computer isn't facing the Internet -- it has a bad security track

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Erik Steffl wrote: ok, so how come I was using mozilla email client since 2001/10/27 and saving emails, moving to trash, saving drafts etc.? that qualifies as past few years, right? BTW that's only with cyrus server (my current setup), I was briefly using uw-imap before that and it worked eve

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Erik Steffl
Steve Lamb wrote: Erik Steffl wrote: are you talking about pre-2k times only? I mean during last four years imap support seems to be pretty good (and improving). Thunderbird definitely isn't the first usable MUA, as far as imap support goes. Nope. In the past few years I've tried Netsc

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Steve Block wrote: > > Apple's Mail.app has done it well for years. It's still the best damn > mail client I've ever used. > Have you tried GNUMail.app (Debian package by the same name)? I would say that it is a fairly close approximation (though a do n

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
TreeBoy: > > However, that's not so bad when you consider I have over 50,000 in my > Debian-User archive and over 30,000 in the Ubuntu-User archive. I really > should delete both of these, but I'm interested in how this 800MHz Mini-ITX > server scales: it can take 20 seconds to show the list of

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread TreeBoy
On Monday 06 Jun 2005 12:54, Steve Lamb wrote: > Erik Steffl wrote: > > are you talking about pre-2k times only? I mean during last four years > > imap support seems to be pretty good (and improving). Thunderbird > > definitely isn't the first usable MUA, as far as imap support goes. > > Nope

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Block
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 04:54:57AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Erik Steffl wrote: are you talking about pre-2k times only? I mean during last four years imap support seems to be pretty good (and improving). Thunderbird definitely isn't the first usable MUA, as far as imap support goes. Nope.

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Block
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:08:30AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: when I started using IMAP (2001/10/27) I tried number of IMAP capable MUAs and all of them were kinda OK, mutt is the only one that I cannot make save sent messages in imap folder but I guess I just need to read the docs (I didn't t

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: > Bull. Evo has always give the option to save Sent & Drafts where- > ever you want to put them. Yes, and where in my list did I say I tried Evo before 2003? You are aware that I was expressing what I had personally verified, right? And you are utterly incapable of provid

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 01:25 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Rogério Brito wrote: [snip] > remote mail folders. This is evident in the fact that until Thunderbird no > email client, and I do mean none, did it right. They all failed on the > simplest of tests. Were they able to be configured so their s

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:01:09PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote: > Erik Steffl: > > > > when I started using IMAP (2001/10/27) I tried number of IMAP capable > > MUAs and all of them were kinda OK, mutt is the only one that I cannot > > make save sent messages in imap folder but I guess I just nee

Re: On IMAP servers (was: Re: mutt + dovecot/squirrelmail + mbox ?)

2005-06-06 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:55:55AM -0500, Steve Block wrote: > On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:20:40AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > >Short summary of popular IMAP servers: > >server why you would use it > >-- > >UW IMAP You are a masochist > >Cyru

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Jochen Schulz
Erik Steffl: > > when I started using IMAP (2001/10/27) I tried number of IMAP capable > MUAs and all of them were kinda OK, mutt is the only one that I cannot > make save sent messages in imap folder but I guess I just need to read > the docs (I didn't try much). Hm? There's nothing special a

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Erik Steffl wrote: > are you talking about pre-2k times only? I mean during last four years > imap support seems to be pretty good (and improving). Thunderbird > definitely isn't the first usable MUA, as far as imap support goes. Nope. In the past few years I've tried Netscape, TheBat!, Syl

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Erik Steffl
Steve Lamb wrote: Rogério Brito wrote: Not only Thunderbird, but other MUAs, independently of what platform you're confined to use. That's the beauty of IMAP, IMVHO. That's the beauty of properly implemented IMAP on the client side. I remember back in my PMMail/2 beta test days ('94-'95

Re: On IMAP servers (was: Re: mutt + dovecot/squirrelmail + mbox ?)

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Block
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 02:20:40AM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Short summary of popular IMAP servers: server why you would use it -- UW IMAP You are a masochist Cyrus IMAP You need *serious* scalability (e.g., 100,000 users with

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Robert Vangel
Franki wrote: Actually, you can do virtual users without shell accounts via courier as well. I'm running a Postfix/amavisd/spamassassin MTA with courier IMAP/SASL/Mysql All users are virtual and administrered via the Postfix admin PHP app. There are heaps of tutorials around on how to do this,

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Steve Lamb
Rogério Brito wrote: > Not only Thunderbird, but other MUAs, independently of what platform you're > confined to use. That's the beauty of IMAP, IMVHO. That's the beauty of properly implemented IMAP on the client side. I remember back in my PMMail/2 beta test days ('94-'95?) trying to explain

Re: On IMAP servers

2005-06-06 Thread Franki
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:23:43AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: On Jun 05 2005, Steve Lamb wrote: I'd say go with UW's IMAP server. I'd say go with UW's IMAP server *only* if your computer isn't facing the Internet -- it has a bad security track history and many p

Re: On IMAP servers (was: Re: mutt + dovecot/squirrelmail + mbox ?)

2005-06-05 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:23:43AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > On Jun 05 2005, Steve Lamb wrote: > > I'd say go with UW's IMAP server. > > I'd say go with UW's IMAP server *only* if your computer isn't facing the > Internet -- it has a bad security track history and many people don't trust > it.

On IMAP servers (was: Re: mutt + dovecot/squirrelmail + mbox ?)

2005-06-05 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rog=E9rio?= Brito
On Jun 05 2005, Steve Lamb wrote: > I'd say go with UW's IMAP server. I'd say go with UW's IMAP server *only* if your computer isn't facing the Internet -- it has a bad security track history and many people don't trust it. > as far as I can tell there is none. Either it works or it doesn't. :D