On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:18:47 +0100,
Wilko Fokken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 04:52:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
>
> These
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 04:52:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > > etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:05:22AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
now, think of an example in which you encounter anything remotely like
full sentence structure in code,
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:49:02AM +0100, Johannes Zarl wrote:
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> On Tuesday 28 October 2003 05:33, Tom wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:20:36PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > > the distinction that's being missed here is that people don't code in
> > > englis
On Tuesday 28 October 2003 05:33, Tom wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:20:36PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > the distinction that's being missed here is that people don't code in
> > english, people use english words as symbols in their code. there's a
> > huge difference.
>
> Random webpage
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 11:20:36PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> the distinction that's being missed here is that people don't code in
> english, people use english words as symbols in their code. there's a
> huge difference.
Random webpage I have open...
GtkTreeStore* gtk_tree_store_new
on Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:51:17PM -0800, Tom insinuated:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 10:36:20PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> > i'm arguing that _neither_ english _nor_ german is perfectly
> > suited to code, since one needs to do some translation to get the
> > sentence into the form in which a human
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 10:36:20PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> i'm arguing that _neither_ english _nor_ german is perfectly suited to
> code, since one needs to do some translation to get the sentence into
> the form in which a human would say it.
>
> on top of that, i'm arguing that _no_ langu
on Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:05:22AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> >
> >>Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >>
> >>>now, think of an example in which you encounter anything remotely like
> >>>full sentence structure in code,
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:59:07PM -0600, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 20:54 GMT, David Jardine penned:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> >>
> >> english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> >> etc. but it consists mos
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 at 21:09 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 15:09, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 at 18:59 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
>>
>>
>> > --
>> > -
>> > Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeffe
On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 15:09, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 at 18:59 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
>
>
> > --
> > -
> > Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Jefferson, LA USA
> >
> > "Eternal vigilance is the price of l
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 at 18:59 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> --
> -
> Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Jefferson, LA USA
>
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty: power is ever
> stealing from the many to the few. The manna of
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:03:56PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > But the "less formal process", i.e., intuitive mapping without know-
> > > ing what adjectives, adverbs, participles, etc are is less efficient
> > > than having formal knowledge (even if that formal knowledge does not
> > > consist
On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 09:52, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:09:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson insinuated:
> > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> > > >
> > > > I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn w
On Sat, 2003-10-25 at 09:48, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:52:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson insinuated:
> > On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > > > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change sha
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
...
of course, you can create vario
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:09:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson insinuated:
> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> > >
> > > I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn what I guess
> > > you'd call "sentence decomposition". It fu
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:52:35PM -0500, Ron Johnson insinuated:
> On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > > etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick l
on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> >
> >>Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >>
> >>>on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> >>
> >>...
> >>
> of course, you can
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 19:46, Tom wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:23:13AM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > Of course I know it's a fork. It's my paramater and I know what I'm
> > passing. I wouldn't have called it "fork" otherwise.
>
> For the purpose of the discussion, I'll grant you the poi
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:23:13AM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> Of course I know it's a fork. It's my paramater and I know what I'm
> passing. I wouldn't have called it "fork" otherwise.
For the purpose of the discussion, I'll grant you the point.
But, clearly a (normal) fork is either red or
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 03:32:08PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:21:45PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> > > I would say isRed(fork) contains an implied [it] and [a]:
> > >
> > > [it] | is | fork
> > > -||
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 17:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> >
> > I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn what I guess you'd
> > call "sentence decomposition". It fundamental to being able to
> > comprehend complex sentences.
> >
>
> I
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 22:02 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
>
> I didn't learn that exact method, but did learn what I guess you'd
> call "sentence decomposition". It fundamental to being able to
> comprehend complex sentences.
>
I don't know about that. Having a mental map of sentences may be
funda
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:21:45PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> > I would say isRed(fork) contains an implied [it] and [a]:
> >
> > [it] | is | fork
> > -||--
> > || \ \
> > \a \red
> >
> > fork
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 16:21, Tom wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:54:26PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > >
> > > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > > etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and
On Fri, 2003-10-24 at 14:37, Tom wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick like pieces. german (and
> > lot of other languages) is more like putt
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:21:45PM -0700, Tom wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:54:26PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > >
> > > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > > etc. but it consists mostly o
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 02:59:07PM -0600, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 20:54 GMT, David Jardine penned:
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> >>
> >> english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> >> etc. but it consists mos
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:54:26PM +0200, David Jardine wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> >
> > english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> > etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick like pieces. german (and
> > lot of other l
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 at 20:54 GMT, David Jardine penned:
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
>>
>> english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
>> etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick like pieces. german
>> (and lot of other languages)
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
>
> english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick like pieces. german (and
> lot of other languages) is more like putty - you mold things together.
> the lego-like
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:11:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> english is like lego, yes there are some pieces that change shape
> etc. but it consists mostly of bricks and brick like pieces. german (and
> lot of other languages) is more like putty - you mold things together.
> the lego-like s
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
...
of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in
english, the point is that you can take few forms
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> ...
> >> of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in
> >>english, the point is that you can take few forms of senten
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> ...
> >> of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in
> >>english, the point is that you can take few forms of sentences a
At Wed, 22 Oct 2003 16:24:44 -0700,
Vineet Kumar wrote:
>
> [1 ]
> * csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031018 03:22]:
> > At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
> > Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> > > >
> > > >english has a fairly simple a re
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
...
of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in
english, the point is that you can take few forms of sentences and
have a working language (that's pretty much what BASIC (talking
about pro
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 18:24, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031018 03:22]:
> > At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
> > Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
[snip]
> ASCII. I'd predict just the opposite of your "probably": I t
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:53:34AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
the two are apples and oranges, my friend, especially when you're
dealing with something that no one can have an objective point of
view on, given different native languages.
??? you can me
* csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031018 03:22]:
> At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> > >
> > >english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's
> > >fairly easy to create english based programming la
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:53:34AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >the two are apples and oranges, my friend, especially when you're
> >dealing with something that no one can have an objective point of
> >view on, given different native languages.
>
> ??? you can measure h
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:10:38AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> >
> >>Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> >>>
> >>>
> english has a fairly simple a re
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:08:42 -0500,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700,
> > Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > * Tom (
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 02:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700,
> Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > * Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]:
> > > Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet?
>
> > Narrator: By 1964, experts sa
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:39:04 -0700,
Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> * Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]:
> > Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet?
> Narrator: By 1964, experts say man will have established twelve
>colonies on the m
* Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031021 15:32]:
> Have we figured out who owns the Moon yet?
Narrator: The moon. For several years, she has fascinated many. But
will man ever walk on her fertile surface?
[cut to a shot of Adlai Stevenson at some sort of press
conferen
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 04:28:12PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:24, Nathan Eric Norman wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> > > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Red China Com
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:24, Nathan Eric Norman wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> > Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed:
> >
> >
> > > Red China Communism came from where? ;-)
> >
> > Just to quickly jump in, then back
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:12:38PM -0500, Michael D Schleif wrote:
> Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed:
>
>
> > Red China Communism came from where? ;-)
>
> Just to quickly jump in, then back out of this trivial, off-topic
> polemic:
>
> [a] There is not, nor
Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 02:01:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 11:15 GMT, Tom penned:
> > > > [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google]
> > > >
> > > > Are a
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:44:49 -0500,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:05, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500,
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > On Sun,
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:40:19PM +0200, David Jardine insinuated:
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:56:37AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
csj wrote:
[...]
Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
tol
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 09:05, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500,
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500,
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:23:04PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:40:19PM +0200, David Jardine insinuated:
> > Depends what you mean by purity. By European language standards
> > it's fairly pure in the sense of not being cluttered up with things
> > like redundant inflecti
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:40:19PM +0200, David Jardine insinuated:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:56:37AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> > csj wrote:
> >
> > >[...]
> > >
> > >Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
> > >the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:35:22 -0500,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500,
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > On Sun,
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 21:48, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500,
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 12:56:37AM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> csj wrote:
>
> >[...]
> >
> >Because everybody from the poor war orphan "Hey, Joe, eat!" to
> >the UN Secretary General speaks it, English has become a rather
> >tolerant language. But if the same standard for proper German is
> >appli
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:56:37 -0700
Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> csj wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700,
> > Erik Steffl wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> >> think about it: when learning english the only challenge is
> >>to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular
csj wrote:
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700,
Erik Steffl wrote:
[...]
think about it: when learning english the only challenge is
to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular
verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you
pretty much only need to remember the word itself (i
Daniel writes:
> So? Nothing in my message attributed anything to you. (Check the
> indentation level.)
Complex indentations are confusing. People assume, not unreasonably, that
the presence of someone's name implies the presence of something that
person wrote.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
John,
John Hasler wrote:
>
> Daniel B quotes:
>
> > Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> > > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 1
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45 -0700,
Erik Steffl wrote:
[...]
>think about it: when learning english the only challenge is
> to learn how to pronounce words (and learn irregular
> verbs). you built vocabulary by learning words, where you
> pretty much only need to remember the word itself (in
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:03:06 -0500,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > On Sun,
on Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:45:21AM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld insinuated:
> Hi,
>
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
> > Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit. As a small child, I
> > once said "Du hast mich wehgetutet." (Instead of wehgetan.) I
> > conjugated the verb improperly, and don't th
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 23:45 GMT, Viktor Rosenfeld penned:
>
> --7fwXp2o0gOrkU5lS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding:
> quoted-printable
>
> Hi,
>
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
>> Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit.
Hi,
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> Okay, okay, I can think of an irregular German bit. As a small child, I
> once said "Du hast mich wehgetutet." (Instead of wehgetan.) I
> conjugated the verb improperly, and don't think I've ever been allowed
> to forget it, even after 20 years!
Du hast *mir* we
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:42, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 17:03 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >
> >> enough
> >> as "Herrmensch" to convince me Adolf would have laughted his ass off.
> >
> > Ummm "Herr" is like "Sir", and
Nori Heikkinen wrote:
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:10:38AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy
to create english based programming language - the basic control
s
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 17:03 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
>> enough
>> as "Herrmensch" to convince me Adolf would have laughted his ass off.
>
> Ummm "Herr" is like "Sir", and "mensch" is plural of "man", I
> think. "Sir man" is, pardon the p
Daniel B quotes:
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
> > > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROT
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 at 11:10 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
>>
>> Hrm. German and Latin are much more regular than English. French
>> is, too, iirc. English has a *lot* of irregularity.
>
>german is regular? with each word changing depending on how it's
>used in sentence (case)??? gender bei
Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:10:19:15:19:21+0200] scribed:
> Red China Communism came from where? ;-)
Just to quickly jump in, then back out of this trivial, off-topic
polemic:
[a] There is not, nor has there ever been, a Communist government. The
Soviet Union, Peoples Republic of C
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:17:53PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:10:38AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> > Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > >On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
Two things I love about German:
(1) Those superlongwordsthatyoucanjustmakeupasyou
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 08:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
> > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:10:38AM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> >
> >> english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy
> >> to create english based programming language - the basic control
> >>
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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> > On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
> > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > <[EMA
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 05:51:16 -0500,
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
> > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Pigeon w
Don Werve wrote:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:37:33PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy to
create english based programming language - the basic control structures
are pretty much english sentences.
Actually, English grammar is a nightma
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy
to create english based programming language - the basic control
structures are pretty much english sentences.
This would be fairly hard todo in
On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 19:25, Tim Connors wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0500:
> > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:54, Chris Roddy wrote:
> > > really, the syntax of most programming languages is not very much like
> > > english -- english would have us putting
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 00:03, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Pigeon writes:
> > > I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
> > > characters, and "Croatian" with Cyril
On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 09:05, David Jardine wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > IF (I LIKE BEER) AND (THERE IS BEER IN THE FRIDGE) THEN
> >GO GET A "BUD"
> > END IF
> >
> > IF (THE FOOTBALL GAME IS ON TV) THEN
> >TURN ON TV TO ESPN
> >IF (BEER
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:13PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> IF (I LIKE BEER) AND (THERE IS BEER IN THE FRIDGE) THEN
>GO GET A "BUD"
> END IF
>
> IF (THE FOOTBALL GAME IS ON TV) THEN
>TURN ON TV TO ESPN
>IF (BEER IN HAND) THEN
> WHILE (BOTTLE NOT FULL)
> DRINK BEER
Pigeon schrieb:
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
My first
language was Serbo-Croatian (Commonly referred to as just Serbian since
the war during most of the 90's)
I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
characters, and "Croatian" wit
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 17:12:15 -0500,
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Pigeon writes:
> > I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
> > characters, and "Croatian" with Cyrillic, but they were actually the
..the other way around.
> >
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said on Sat, 18 Oct 2003 18:56:13 -0500:
> On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:54, Chris Roddy wrote:
> > really, the syntax of most programming languages is not very much like
> > english -- english would have us putting the block before the for() or
> > if() :-) ...
>
> Wh
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 19:54, Chris Roddy wrote:
> Don Werve wrote:
>
> >Actually, English grammar is a nightmare to behold; there is no
> >consistent method of handling verb conjugations, and the structure of a
> >sentence is integral to its meaning; you can't just randomly move words
> >around i
Pigeon writes:
> I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
> characters, and "Croatian" with Cyrillic, but they were actually the same
> language, hence "Serbo-Croatian". How close to the truth is this?
"A language is a dialect with its own army and navy."
--
John Hasler
[E
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> My first
> language was Serbo-Croatian (Commonly referred to as just Serbian since
> the war during most of the 90's)
I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman
characters, and "Croatian" with Cyrillic, but th
At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:28:44 -0600,
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
> >
> >english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's
> >fairly easy to create english based programming language -
> >the basic control structures are pretty
At Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:12:22 -0700,
Don Werve wrote:
[...]
> The only reason that English-esque languages are prevalent is
> that, in the early days, most of the programmers were native
> English speakers, and as such, wrote tools and compilers that
> best fit their native linguistic models. If
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 18:12, Don Werve wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:37:33PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> >
> > english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy to
> > create english based programming language - the basic control structures
> > are pretty much english sente
Don Werve wrote:
Actually, English grammar is a nightmare to behold; there is no
consistent method of handling verb conjugations, and the structure of a
sentence is integral to its meaning; you can't just randomly move words
around in an English sentence and expect things to work. The way a
comp
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 23:09 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
>
> Can't disagree with you there. Have you tried functional lan- guages
> like Haskell? They are pretty odd to programmers with procedural and
> OO paradigms.
I learned about lisp and prolog in college, and used them for projects
then. I a
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 22:37 GMT, Erik Steffl penned:
>
>english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy
>to create english based programming language - the basic control
>structures are pretty much english sentences.
>
>This would be fairly hard todo in other la
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:37:33PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
>
> english has a fairly simple a regular grammar so it's fairly easy to
> create english based programming language - the basic control structures
> are pretty much english sentences.
>
Actually, English grammar is a nightmare to be
On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 16:15, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 at 19:01 GMT, Ron Johnson penned:
> > On Fri, 2003-10-17 at 12:29, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> >> You're right; the anglo-centric nature of most programming languages
> >> is distressing. It would be fun to code in a langua
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