Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-22 Thread Tapani Tarvainen
> > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:50:32 -0400, Stefan Monnier posted: > > > FWIW, I find that running Lenny on a 64MB machine is bearable but slowish, > > > and Etch was already "too slow" on a 32MB machine. So make sure you have > > > enough RAM. > > > For very simple uses, it works with less RAM, but

Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-22 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 05:11:43AM -0700, Thorny wrote: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:50:32 -0400, Stefan Monnier posted: > > >> Discussing this has inspired me to put another line on my hobby list, I > >> will eventually drag out an old P1 100MHz I have and try loading Lenny > >> on it. Or, maybe I sh

Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-22 Thread Thorny
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:50:32 -0400, Stefan Monnier posted: >> Discussing this has inspired me to put another line on my hobby list, I >> will eventually drag out an old P1 100MHz I have and try loading Lenny >> on it. Or, maybe I shouldn't thank you for that, it's not like I don't >> already have

Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Discussing this has inspired me to put another line on my hobby list, I > will eventually drag out an old P1 100MHz I have and try loading Lenny on > it. Or, maybe I shouldn't thank you for that, it's not like I don't > already have enough projects. FWIW, I find that running Lenny on a 64MB mac

Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-21 Thread Thorny
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:30:07 -0600, Robert Hodgins posted: > On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 14:13 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: >> Thank you to everyone who has offered suggestions. I'll keep fiddling >> around with this computer. If something works, I'll let you know. >> >> > Turns out the problem was li

Re: SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-20 Thread prad
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:40:05 +0100 Robert Hodgins wrote: > Turns out the problem was likely hardware related. > ok this is good to know since we have several older machines we want to install debian on. does it ever make sense to install older versions on older machines? or is it better to just

SOLVED Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-17 Thread Robert Hodgins
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 14:13 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: > Thank you to everyone who has offered suggestions. I'll keep fiddling > around with this computer. If something works, I'll let you know. > > Turns out the problem was likely hardware related. Over the weekend, I had noticed that SBM wasn

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-15 Thread Robert Hodgins
Thank you to everyone who has offered suggestions. I'll keep fiddling around with this computer. If something works, I'll let you know. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-15 Thread Thorny
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:50:07 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: > As various modules were being loaded in, I noticed some had "2.6.28-1-486" > as a part of their name. I assume if these were being loaded, then the > correct kernel was selected? It is my understand that the installer will choose the cor

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-15 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 03:50:07PM -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: > The result is always the same: installation stops shortly after the base > install starts (bootstrap-base). > > Not too sure what else to try. Since the installer-CD itself boots, what happens if you bypass the installer? Boot u

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-14 Thread Robert Hodgins
> I don't think so. I was simply wrong about it being bad hardware (most > likely). However another poster pointed out that ACPI on a P1 is > probably wrong and since the message say it's not giving results the > kernel likes, it could certainly apply. Try booting with > acpi=off > or > noacp

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-14 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:16:07AM +, s. keeling wrote: > Douglas A. Tutty : > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:00:58AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > > On Friday 13 March 2009 08:43:07 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > > As for rolling upgrades, great but what about when e.g. a hard > > >

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
> As for old boxes and how cheap replacments are, my 486 only uses 20 > watts. This can be handy for some uses. My WL700gE uses 10W (and 5W when the drive spins down). With its 260MHz CPU and 64MB, it's probably a good bit more powerful than your 486. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-13 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:47:11 -0600 Robert Hodgins wrote: > Daniel, thank you for your suggestions. > > > I did this. I hit Alt-F4 as the installer was finishing the formatting > of the hard drive. When the cursor stopped blinking and the keyboard > no longer responded, I took a picture. > > I

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-13 Thread s. keeling
Douglas A. Tutty : > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:00:58AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > > On Friday 13 March 2009 08:43:07 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > > As for rolling upgrades, great but what about when e.g. a hard > > drive > > > fails. > > > > It's called a "backup". > > Sure, if you

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 11:00:58AM -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Friday 13 March 2009 08:43:07 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > As for rolling upgrades, great but what about when e.g. a hard > drive > > fails. > > It's called a "backup". Ha, Ha. Sure, if you want to do a back-up of the w

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-13 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Friday 13 March 2009 08:43:07 Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > As for rolling upgrades, great but what about when e.g. a hard drive > fails. It's called a "backup". :P -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. b...@iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: D

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 11:54:53PM +, s. keeling wrote: > Robert Hodgins : > > > > Lenny installer isn't. Should I still be using this machine "down the > > road" (and I'd like to keep it going as long as the hardware holds up), > > I'm all for "driving it into the ground" in order to get y

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-13 Thread Thorny
On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:47:11 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: [...] > Right after selecting Install, the installer printed the screen (Photo 2) [...] ACPI on a P1 75MHz class machine? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-12 Thread s. keeling
Robert Hodgins : > > > and boot from the CD reader using an SBM card > > Not a card. Sorry. I meant a floppy. > I use a floppy with Smart Boot Manager v. 3.7.1 on it so that the > computer will boot from the CD. I've used this before (a long time ago) on a AMD 486DX3-100. It worked. -- A

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread s. keeling
Robert Hodgins : > > Lenny installer isn't. Should I still be using this machine "down the > road" (and I'd like to keep it going as long as the hardware holds up), I'm all for "driving it into the ground" in order to get your money's worth out of the price of a car, but really, unless you're a

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread s. keeling
Csanyi Pal : > Stefan Monnier writes: > > >> Yup, I did a reinstall of Etch. I just did a minimal install this time > >> (unchecked all the options in tasksel). I was able to get througt the > >> base install and right up to the installation of GRUB and the reboot and > >> could log in. In other

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> How about doing an upgrade instead? >> Still, I'd like to know why the Etch installer is successful and the >> Lenny installer isn't. Should I still be using this machine "down the >> road" (and I'd like to keep it going as lo

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-12 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Hodgins wrote: > I reinstalled (a minimal) Etch last night. It was successful. Is there any particular reason, why you don't just 'aptitude upgrade' etc. from etch to lenny? Cheers, Johannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> How about doing an upgrade instead? > Still, I'd like to know why the Etch installer is successful and the > Lenny installer isn't. Should I still be using this machine "down the > road" (and I'd like to keep it going as long as the hardware holds up), > incremental upgrades from Etch to Lenny t

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread Robert Hodgins
> How about doing an upgrade instead? > You could even try to do it incrementally. > Thank you. You are right. I could do that. Still, I'd like to know why the Etch installer is successful and the Lenny installer isn't. Should I still be using this machine "down the road" (and I'd like to keep i

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-12 Thread Robert Hodgins
Daniel, thank you for your suggestions. > Assuming you are using the text installer (if you haven't you should, > just in case), you should be able Alt-F4 to see the system logs (ctrl > is unnecessary in text mode. Alt-F3 and Alt-F2 should be alternate > consoles you can use. I'm using the text

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-12 Thread Csanyi Pal
Stefan Monnier writes: >> Yup, I did a reinstall of Etch. I just did a minimal install this time >> (unchecked all the options in tasksel). I was able to get througt the >> base install and right up to the installation of GRUB and the reboot and >> could log in. In other words, no surprises. Etch

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Yup, I did a reinstall of Etch. I just did a minimal install this time > (unchecked all the options in tasksel). I was able to get througt the > base install and right up to the installation of GRUB and the reboot and > could log in. In other words, no surprises. Etch is installable. > I've not

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Hodgins
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 19:00 -0400, Chris Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:39:51PM EDT, Robert Hodgins wrote: > > > Any ideas to diagnose what is going on or to get the installation to > > complete would be appreciated. > > Not sure.. but have you tried (re)installing etch.. just to make

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-11 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:22:57 -0600 Robert Hodgins wrote: > I sent this email in two parts. It seems that only the second part got > through. So, here are both parts combined into one email. > > I have a (old) Pentium 75 that used to run Etch. I have been trying to > install Lenny on it without s

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Hodgins
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 16:22 -0600, Robert Hodgins wrote: > ATA Force card so that the machine can recognize the "large" > hard drive The computer came with a 1.2 GB hard drive. The BIOS doesn't recognize the larger 4 GB hard drive. So, I use a ATA Force card (Micro Firmware ATA PRO FLASH BIOS 1.76

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-11 Thread Chris Jones
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:39:51PM EDT, Robert Hodgins wrote: > Any ideas to diagnose what is going on or to get the installation to > complete would be appreciated. Not sure.. but have you tried (re)installing etch.. just to make sure lenny vs. etch is really the problem? Thanks, CJ -- To

Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Hodgins
I have a (old) Pentium 75 that used to run Etch. I have been trying to install Lenny on it without success. The installation stops at the 6% point of the "Installation of Base System" step. Various packages are being retrieved at that point. At different times, the installation has stopped while it

Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch. Try 2

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Hodgins
I sent this email in two parts. It seems that only the second part got through. So, here are both parts combined into one email. I have a (old) Pentium 75 that used to run Etch. I have been trying to install Lenny on it without success. The installation stops at the 6% point of the "Installation o

Re: Lenny won't install on an old Pentium that used to run Etch.

2009-03-11 Thread Robert Hodgins
I use an ATA Force card so that the machine can recognize the "large" hard drive and boot from the CD reader using an SBM card. I doubt that these are the problem since Etch installed okay, but heck, who knows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "