Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 14:03 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > I can't imagine how many studios and artists have lost their masters... We had this issue with BASF video tapes in the 80s. In the VTR room at least two machines were running the whole day, just to copy the tapes that were not completely lo

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The bigger issue would be to have good backup tapes, but a broken drive and > not to get a new drive anymore ;). Very correct. I've spent some 50 years dealing with analog audio tape, and a few with digital tape. And like the earlier poster s

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 19:10:57 +0200, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open Been there, done that. They're lovely. But as best I remember, LTO didn't exist (or it was preposterously expensive)

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 16, 2013, at 12:53 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > Have a look at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open Been there, done that. They're lovely. But as best I remember, LTO didn't exist (or it was preposterously expensive) 10 or 12 years ago, when I was looking for what I would co

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Doug
On 7/16/2013 4:30 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open I read this already when the thread started. Regarding to cassette tapes of what kind ever, I only have good experiences with - pro

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 18:53 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > Have a look at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open I read this already when the thread started. Regarding to cassette tapes of what kind ever, I only have good experiences with - professional video recorders - professional

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 09:27:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs > > > more likely will fail, than HDDs do. >

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-15 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 12.07.2013 um 15:43 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: CDs, DVDs and USB sticks etc. aren't safe medias. I guess we all experienced that data is less safe on those medias. Never experienced data loss with USB or SD-cards. The most common problem are users not using "safely remove". Another is ignor

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:54 +0100, Dom wrote: > > No wrecked DLT tapes? > > A couple caused by faulty old drives. It's the same for DAT. A faulty old DVDRAM drive usually doesn't damage the DVDRAMs. > A few out of several hundred. I've had worse failure rates from other media. The same as for D

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Dom
On 13/07/13 21:17, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:58 +0100, Dom wrote: DLT has a single spool in the cart (the other being in the drive), a fast moving tape and stationary read/write head. The tapes are also much bigger and wider. I've found them to be very reliable over the years.

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 13, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Spaghettied tapes are a common issue for DAT, since DDS is the > same I won't trust it and I suspect DLT doesn't differ much. Yes, it does. DLT is quite different from DDS -- it's not a helical system like VHS and DDS. It has several tracks on

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:58 +0100, Dom wrote: > DLT has a single spool in the cart (the other being in the drive), a > fast moving tape and stationary read/write head. The tapes are also > much bigger and wider. I've found them to be very reliable over the > years. Thank you, I already have seen

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Dom
On 13/07/13 20:27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10 DLT tapes I don't know DLT, but

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 20:56 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Harddrives are cheap now, but as Ralf already mentioned, if they fall > down, you get a brick. It wasn't me, I'm using an USB drive, I just removed gvfs to avoid spinning down and up again and again, when the drive is connected and most o

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 12:18 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs > > more likely will fail, than HDDs do. > > My 10 DLT tapes I don't know DLT, but many people I know and myself

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Huh, and I forgot to mention "back-in-time". Based on rsync, nice tool, and there is a debian package available. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.or

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
> This seems not to be a solution for most of us. > > Regards, > Ralf Yeah, it was just an idea. :) However, for backup purposes, my solutions are the following: Solution 1: If you have another server available, use rsync and make two copies. First one, just copy all files to a folder on the

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Glenn English
On Jul 13, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I'm interested in experiences of others. In my experience CDs and DVDs > more likely will fail, than HDDs do. My 10 DLT tapes have had no failures in 10+ years. And they don't seem to care much about being dropped (on a carpeted floor; I haven'

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Hans, nice information to learn something new :), but I suspect they don't make sense for home usage. On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 17:26 +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Worms look like DVD's, its capacity is about 10GB. Those are used by some > German government to store important data like p

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
Am Samstag, 13. Juli 2013 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > I forgot to mention that we experience floppy disks as very reliable, > but useless for data of modern computers, because of the low amount of > data that can be stored. Don't know, if these are already mentionened. There are Datadisks called "wor

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I forgot to mention that we experience floppy disks as very reliable, but useless for data of modern computers, because of the low amount of data that can be stored. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lis

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:42 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > Drives are subject to mechanical wear and electrical failure. They can > fail even when not being used because bearings can stick, etc.. Drop > one and it may become a paperweight. > > I don't even trust HDs in my computer, which is why I only

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 13/07/13 04:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:04 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: However it's a lot easier to make multiple copies of a disc than it is to make multiple copies of a tape or hard disk drive. Duplicating by e.g. cp -pr hard_disk_1 hard_disk_2 IMO is easier and fast

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 04:04 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > However it's a lot easier to make multiple copies of a > disc than it is to make multiple copies of a tape or hard disk drive. Duplicating by e.g. cp -pr hard_disk_1 hard_disk_2 IMO is easier and faster than split and burn a CD or DVD. A har

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-13 Thread Gary Dale
On 13/07/13 01:53 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 09:06 +1000, Charlie wrote: I think it's a lot about where you store them that affects their lifespan? Correct but even some that were in the sunlight for around 10 years here still are ok, OTOH some that were protected are broken

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 09:06 +1000, Charlie wrote: > I think it's a lot about where you store them that affects their > lifespan? Correct but even some that were in the sunlight for around 10 years here still are ok, OTOH some that were protected are broken after a few weeks. CD and DVD aren't good

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Charlie
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) "Rob Owens row...@ptd.net" sent this: >- Original Message - >> From: "Gary Dale" >> >> Good point about the use of FLAC instead of ogg. However, I wouldn't >> advise a USB hard drive for backup. The problem is that they are >> prone >> t

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 12:57 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > A friend of mine told me once that his company had archived some > customer data on CD-R, but years later they found that the CDs were > de-laminating. Not for CDs, here they are borked without such an issue after a short period. In the 80s I

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hahaha :D The more backups the better. If you use GNOME or XFCE + an external USB device that does fulfill the EU regulations, then - disconnect the drive when it isn't needed - remove gvfs, so the drive won't spin down and up again and again _home solutions_ are _home solutions_ are _home solu

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Gary Dale" > > Good point about the use of FLAC instead of ogg. However, I wouldn't > advise a USB hard drive for backup. The problem is that they are > prone > to failure (as is any mechanical system), are expensive, and you need > multiple drives to have an

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 12:29 PM, Rob Owens wrote: - Original Message - From: "Intense Red" Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy "electronic" music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg f

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 12:29 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > But keep in mind that you don't have a "true" backup of those music > CDs unless you're encoding them in a lossless format such as flac. +1 Even if double-blind-tests should show that losses shouldn't be needed, the main argument is "just in ca

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 12:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:34 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Intense Red" > > Okay, here's a different backup software question. > >The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to >buy > "electronic" music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 11:34 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: > >> Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > >> > >>> OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. > >> > >> Hmm ... How safe is saf

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Gary Dale
On 12/07/13 09:43 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. And for m

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2013-07-12 at 14:26 +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote: > Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: > > > OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. > > Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? > > At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. > > And for musik, foto etc. I have 4 ex

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 12.07.2013 um 11:50 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. Hmm ... How safe is safe for backup? At home I rsync to an external SATA disk with 1 TB. And for musik, foto etc. I have 4 external USB-HDDs, each 0.5 - 1 TB. Burning DVDs is too much work. Helmut Wollme

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
OT: DVDs aren't safe medias for backups. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1373622656.697.21.camel@archlinux

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-12 Thread Teemu Likonen
Intense Red [2013-07-11 23:54:04 -04:00] wrote: > Is there any "copy" program that would logically copy/backup to a DVD > and use some intelligence to copy/backup the files so that the DVDs > get filled up? Not exactly what you imagined but maybe consider "dar" too. It's like "tar" but more conve

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/12/13, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 7/12/13, Intense Red wrote: >>Okay, here's a different backup software question. > ... > audio files etc > ... >>Does anyone have a suggestion for a "smart copy" program that will >> logically copy por

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread David Guntner
Intense Red grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >Okay, here's a different backup software question. > >The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy > "electronic" music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and store them on my > fil

Re: *Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 7/12/13, Intense Red wrote: >Okay, here's a different backup software question. ... audio files etc ... >Does anyone have a suggestion for a "smart copy" program that will > logically copy portions of a subdirectory tree in 4.4GB "chunks"? TIA.

*Another* Backup software question...

2013-07-11 Thread Intense Red
Okay, here's a different backup software question. The scenario: Call me weird, but I buy plastic CDs and refuse to buy "electronic" music. I tediously rip my CDs to Ogg files and store them on my file server. (The CDs go into the basement.) Great, I'm happy. I have 12

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-14 Thread Juan Sierra Pons
2012/2/13 Paul E Condon : > I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of > my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). > > My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup > packages that offer backup of one host by another host all involve > cre

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Karl Vogel
>> Alex Mestiashvili wrote: A> I would simply use a passwordless ssh-key with a wrapper on the remote A> side which allows to run only the backup command . >> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:51:26 +, >> Chris Davies said: C> I'd agree with this, but use passwordless public/private keys with a C> r

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Jochen Spieker
Paul E Condon: > > I have discovered an alternative to a passwordless private ssh key in > the Debian package repository. (Not a great feat for a normal Debian > user, but I am specially challenged.) The package in question is > 'sshpass'. It allows one to write a script that feeds a password to >

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Chris Davies
Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > I would simply use a passwordless ssh-key with a wrapper on the remote > side which allows to run only the backup command . I'd agree with this, but use passwordless public/private keys with a restricted target command. See man sshd and the AUTHORIZED_KEYS FILE FORMAT s

Re: Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 02/13/2012 06:36 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of > my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). > > My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup > packages that offer backup of one host by another hos

Question about ssh passwords and backup software

2012-02-13 Thread Paul E Condon
I am researching ways of setting up an automatic backup of my several local hosts (read computers in ancient UNIX parlance). My research has not been exhaustive, but it seems that the backup packages that offer backup of one host by another host all involve creating a special ssh password for the

Re: Backup Software

2011-08-12 Thread Chris Davies
Paul E Condon wrote: > writing the include/exclude filter for the underlying rsync is > non-trivial --- should I write an exclude for the private key in .ssh/ > ? Etc. I make a backup of my (work) laptop both to a system at the office (which in turn gets backed up to tape) and to a big drive on a

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-25 Thread Tixy
On Sun, 2011-07-24 at 13:41 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:37:34 +0200, lee wrote: > > Gpg is one of the basic programs that should be installed. > > On what OSes? :-) > > > If it isn't, it doesn't hurt to install it. > > Yes, but for backup files I prefer to do not add an e

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-24 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20110722_181654, Siard wrote: > Michael Checca: > > Camaleón: > > > Ethan Rosenberg: > > > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > > > > stand-alone computer? > > > > > > tar + compression > > > > +1 for simplicity :) > > Nowadays' harddisks have plenty of space, s

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-24 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:37:34 +0200, lee wrote: > Camaleón writes: > >> On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: >> >>> Camaleón writes: >>> Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I prefer to avoid for backups. >>> >>> What is incompatible about crea

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
mark wrote: On Wednesday 20 July 2011 11:52:45 pm Ethan Rosenberg wrote: Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? I've used mondoarchive for years. It works and is well supported by the author and community. It is NOT GUI based. Th

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread lee
Camaleón writes: > On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: > >> Camaleón writes: >> >>> Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I >>> prefer to avoid for backups. >> >> What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then >> encrypting it with gpg?

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:08:48 +0200, lee wrote: > Camaleón writes: > >> Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I >> prefer to avoid for backups. > > What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then > encrypting it with gpg? Nothing... unless you have

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread lee
Camaleón writes: > Encryption at software level adds an extra layer of incompatiblity I > prefer to avoid for backups. What is incompatible about creating an archive with tar and then encrypting it with gpg? -- http://www.asciiribbon.org/ http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 http://www.calibur

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:10:34 +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:44 +, Camaleón wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: >> >> > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a >> > stand-alone computer? >> >> tar + compression > > tar

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-23 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 15:44 +, Camaleón wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > > stand-alone computer? > > tar + compression tar + compression + encryption :-) -- Tixy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Siard
Michael Checca: > Camaleón: > > Ethan Rosenberg: > > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > > > stand-alone computer? > > > > tar + compression > > +1 for simplicity :) Nowadays' harddisks have plenty of space, so I would make it even simpler: cp -a -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Checca
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:44:50 -0400, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? tar + compression Greetings, +1 for simplicity :) I've used this method before to complet

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-22 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:52:45 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > stand-alone computer? tar + compression Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread mark
On Wednesday 20 July 2011 11:52:45 pm Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > Dear List - > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > stand-alone computer? I've used mondoarchive for years. It works and is well supported by the author and community. It is NOT GUI based. This is a m

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread mark
On Thursday 21 July 2011 2:20:26 am lee wrote: > Ethan Rosenberg writes: > > That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media > is and on a lot of other factors. And what is a stand-alone > computer? A stand alone computer has two legs and no significant other. It is a very s

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Michel Blankleder
On Thursday 21 July 2011 00:52:45 Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > Dear List - > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > stand-alone computer? > > Thank you. > > Ethan > > Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) To keep synced files, Luckybackup worked for me. M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Rick Thomas
On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Johann Spies wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: Ethan Rosenberg writes: What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? If possible, t

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/07/11 13:52, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > Dear List - > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > stand-alone computer? > > Thank you. > > Ethan > > Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) > > "Back In Time" keeps gui users happy. Cheers -- "Today a young man on acid real

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Johann Spies wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: >> Ethan Rosenberg writes: >> >> > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a >> > stand-alone computer? >> >> That depends on what you want to back up and what the ba

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-21 Thread Johann Spies
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 08:20:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > Ethan Rosenberg writes: > > > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > > stand-alone computer? > > That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media is > and on a lot of other factors. And what is

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-20 Thread lee
Ethan Rosenberg writes: > What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a > stand-alone computer? That depends on what you want to back up and what the backup media is and on a lot of other factors. And what is a stand-alone computer? -- html messages are obsolete -- To U

Re: Backup Software

2011-07-20 Thread Umarzuki Mochlis
clonezilla it does block level backup, only backup the space that has been used and compress it. cold backup which means you have to boot to a live cd or plug your hard disk to a system with clonezilla to back up. 2011/7/21 Ethan Rosenberg > Dear List - > > What software would you recommend to

Backup Software

2011-07-20 Thread Ethan Rosenberg
Dear List - What software would you recommend to backup a Debian system on a stand-alone computer? Thank you. Ethan Debian 6.0.1a squeeze(sid) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

REQUEST: Good backup software for DVDs

2005-12-14 Thread Brad Sims
I have used Mondorescue and like it but the time involved ~12hrs for 180GB is just too much, I would like to be able to insert the first disk of foo, have it be able to repartition/format the drives as needed but take less time to run than mondo currently does. As I understand it Mondo is slowe

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-09 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 23:03:47 -0700 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a > decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. Possibly, but to be fair, I didn't say it; I was forwarding a posting. Also, it w

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Steve Lamb
Mal Beaton wrote: > rsync to get a complete picture of the system then rdiff-backup for > incremental changes. I actually keep a seperate old box with big disks > just for the backup. I like rdiff-backup as you can do such stuff as > restore this file as it was x days ago. Beats having to dig out t

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-07 Thread Mal Beaton
s to run > incremental backups daily, appending each to the end of the second tape > until I ran out of room, upon which I would do another full backup. > > My 2 cents - there is some good backup software out there, but if you > can cobble something together with 'tar' or

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread Steve Lamb
David E. Fox wrote: > You might check this posting[1] on Mandrake expert advocating highly > redundant rar files for the backups. Let me point out I am a big fan of RAR. Have been for, what, well over a decade now. However, some of what you're saying is untrue. > Also, with tar or gzip, you

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread Lorenzo Taylor
I'm not sure about the recovery data, but p7zip will handle multivolume archives and has a superior compression ratio to rar. Plus it is GPL. Lorenzo -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:+ a- C+++ UL P+ L+++ E- W++ N o K- w--- O M V- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP++ t++ 5+ X+ R tv-- b+

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:17:14 -0300 Rogério Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fi

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-07-06 Thread David E. Fox
cond tape until I ran out of room, upon which I would do another full backup. My 2 cents - there is some good backup software out there, but if you can cobble something together with 'tar' or some other standard tool, you might be better off - especially when you have to do a full restore.

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-25 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jun 25 2005, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Except, of course for the CD-RWs, which I found a nuisance to erase. > I'vr gone the dismountable hard disk route, and haven't regretted it. Have you ever used a DVD+RW? You need no stinking erase phase. Just record over it and you're done. Using DVD-RWs is si

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 11:22:27AM -0300, Rog?rio Brito wrote:> Alvin Oga wrote: > > Using an extra 300GB disk is out of the question and that's precisely > why I was asking about other's experiences regarding removeable media. And later, Alvin Oga wrote: > > I'm still open to suggestions re

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Siju George
On 6/22/05, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Siju George wrote: > > Thanks for the reply rick :-) > > > > could you please suggest some DVD writers that works well with Sarge?? > > > > Knd regards > > > > Siju > > Well, I use an HP dvd

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Siju George wrote: > Thanks for the reply rick :-) > > could you please suggest some DVD writers that works well with Sarge?? > > Knd regards > > Siju Well, I use an HP dvd writer dvd420i. It supports DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW & DVD+RW. It works perfect

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Siju George
On 6/22/05, Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Adam Hardy wrote: > > Does anyone backup to DVD? How many gigs can you fit on a DVD? > > > I backup certain files and directories to DVD all the time. DVD will > hold 4.7GB. Of course, if y

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Adam Hardy wrote: > Does anyone backup to DVD? How many gigs can you fit on a DVD? I backup certain files and directories to DVD all the time. DVD will hold 4.7GB. Of course, if you backup using compression you can fit much more than 4.7GB on a DVD.

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-22 Thread Adam Hardy
On 21/06/05 15:22 Rogério Brito wrote: Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie a

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Patterson
* Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-06-21 07:52:58 -0400]: > Check out MondoArchive. It's at http://www.mondorescue.org. > If you need to do a complete restore from some disaster, simply pop the > CD (or DVD) into the drive and boot from it. The restore program will > begin automatically.

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jun 21 2005, Maurits van Rees wrote: > One way---though it may not be entirely user friendly---would be to > create some directories. Copy the wanted files to those > directories. Check with 'du -h --max-depth=1' how big those > directories have become. When the directories are too big you move

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rick Friedman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rogério Brito wrote: > I'm still open to suggestions regarding backing up on CDs/DVDs. I see > some potential packages on the repository, but I would like to know > other's experiences with them and if any of them would allow things like > Apple's Back

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
Alvin Oga wrote: On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into one

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Alvin Oga
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005, [iso-8859-1] Rogério Brito wrote: > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into > one CD/DVD?

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Dave Howorth
Maurits van Rees wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: Siju George wrote: Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what guarantees of integrity you need and what ta

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 04:17:14AM -0300, Rogério Brito wrote: > All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for > backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing > up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into > one CD/D

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-21 Thread Rogério Brito
All this backup talk got me thinking: what do you guys recommend for backing up workstations with CDs/DVDs for a luser, especially when backing up large amounts of data (say, movie and music files) that may not fit into one CD/DVD? Although I have not used it yet, I would like to use something li

Re: Good backup software for Linux - why

2005-06-20 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya as ya'll can tell there is no one real answer for "good backup" and everybody has their favorites methodology and assumptions and willingness to accept the restriction that any particular app has -- a good backup app .. - you must decide on which backup media - flo

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Maurits van Rees
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > Siju George wrote: > >Relational Database Systems (RDBMS) cannot be backed up while live. > > This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what > guarantees of integrity you need and what table types you're usi

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 09:20:59AM +0200, Maurits van Rees wrote: > I read this as: you make a backup on Monday. You delete some files on > Tuesday. You restore from backup on Wednesday and this will restore > all files including the deleted ones. Usually getting back a deleted > file is why you b

Re: Good backup software for Linux

2005-06-20 Thread Dave Carrigan
On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 01:57:56PM +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: > This is just a fact of life, true for any backup system. It depends what > guarantees of integrity you need and what table types you're using. I > use InnoDB and want error-free backups so I just send '/etc/init.d/mysql > stop' as

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