Re: Hyper-typematic and Firefox responsiveness in Weston.

2022-01-23 Thread Tixy
On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 15:25 -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: [...] > Lines toward the end merit attention. > > * Beginning at [14:32:22.019] ... Microsoft 3-Button Mouse with IntelliEye > ... events have been lost. > > * [14:32:28.210] ... Microsoft 3-Button Mouse ... rate limit exceeded (5 msgs

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 06:22:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > And I just noticed this is an arm64 build, I need an armhf, where can I > get that from? > Hi Gene, In the mail where I replied to you last night, I pointed out it was an arm64 build. Debian builds 64 bit for the Raspberry Pi 3 and

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 22, 2022 2:23:48 PM CET max wrote: > https://medium.com/@maxwillb/why-is-debian-not-telling-the-truth-about-its-security-fixes-85f0f85f19a0 I've updated the post taking into account the feedback so far (There weren't any corrections, but there were misunderstandings, and I try to avoid

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi On 2022-01-24 01:07, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > [...] > > Polyna, > > with due respect for your patience... I have the impression that you are > feeding trolls here. > Tomas @ TuxTeam, Thanks for remindin

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 01:01:57AM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] Polyna, with due respect for your patience... I have the impression that you are feeding trolls here. Cheers -- tomás signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 23:26, max wrote: > January 22, 2022 3:51:28 PM CET "Andrew M.A. Cater" > wrote: > >> Debian does fix security problems > > The question is when: 0 days or 6 months after the CVE announcement? I mean, > if you need 6 months, that's fine. Just don't claim that you do it in 0

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 23, 2022 11:21:31 AM CET "Pierre-Elliott Bécue" wrote: > I wonder if these bugs aren't also impacting chromium? I did not have time to > look into it so I may be wrong. But of course they were. Otherwise why would Debian fix them, after a long wait? Why would it list them on its securi

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 22, 2022 3:51:28 PM CET "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > Debian does fix security problems The question is when: 0 days or 6 months after the CVE announcement? I mean, if you need 6 months, that's fine. Just don't claim that you do it in 0 days. That's dishonest. Does this make sense? >

Re: USB UEFI recovery stick

2022-01-23 Thread David Christensen
On 1/23/22 6:39 PM, deloptes wrote: Hi all, is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader. One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the USB - rendering USB obsolete as re

Re: Why is Debian not telling the truth about its security fixes?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 22, 2022 2:42:39 PM CET Jim Popovitch wrote: > I was interested, until I realized your Medium post is that Google Chrome is > not updated fast enough by Debian. Not at all. It's about the fact that the claims on debian.org/security are counterfactual. -- Sent with https://mailfence

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 24, 2022 3:44:51 AM CET Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > You don't have other interest ? This seem to be the only thing you talked > about and never asked a question on another subject. You must have missed by post about https://medium.com/@maxwillb/why-is-debian-not-telling-t

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > This seems to me close to harassment. its just popcorn but you'll obviously never get it. please stop as well and thank you in advance -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0

Re: USB UEFI recovery stick

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 21:39, deloptes wrote: > > Hi all, > is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian > installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader. > One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the > USB - rendering US

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 21:39, max wrote: > January 24, 2022 2:23:12 AM CET Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > >> None here are public officials, this is a private corporation even if it's >> of public utility. > > Nor was I suggesting otherwise. > > I'm just saying that it's odd for a moral

USB UEFI recovery stick

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Hi all, is there a way to have a USB UEFI stick that works similar to the Debian installer - for example to boot into UEFI and recover the boot loader. One machine here seems a bit older and refuses to boot into UEFI from the USB - rendering USB obsolete as recovery option. In BIOS USB says AUTO

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 24, 2022 2:23:12 AM CET Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > None here are public officials, this is a private corporation even if it's of > public utility. Nor was I suggesting otherwise. I'm just saying that it's odd for a moralistic organization like Debian to be less transpa

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 21:27, deloptes wrote: > local10 wrote: > >> I asked you a simple question: Is there a list of all the horrible things >> Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? >> >> Instead of providing a clear answer to the question you seem to be more >> inte

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
local10 wrote: > I asked you a simple question: Is there a list of all the horrible things > Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? > > Instead of providing a clear answer to the question you seem to be more > interesting in engaging in sophism and detracting f

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 19:37, max wrote: > January 22, 2022 1:52:16 PM CET "Marco Möller" > wrote: > >> Without transparency the Debian project does not present itself as >> community driven, but as a closer circle of directing minds hiding the >> reasoning for their decisions. > > Indeed. In

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 19:27, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:58 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > >> >> >>> Sounds sketchy but whatever.  Is there a list of all the horrible things >>> Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? >>> As a Debian and KDE user I'm trying to un

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread RP
On 1/23/22 16:37, max wrote: January 22, 2022 1:52:16 PM CET "Marco Möller" wrote: Without transparency the Debian project does not present itself as community driven, but as a closer circle of directing minds hiding the reasoning for their decisions. Indeed. In the US, one can demand to

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread max
January 22, 2022 1:52:16 PM CET "Marco Möller" wrote: > Without transparency the Debian project does not present itself as community > driven, but as a closer circle of directing minds hiding the reasoning for > their decisions. Indeed. In the US, one can demand to read the archived emails

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 18:50, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:24 by avbe...@gmail.com: > >> Does this command show anything useful when 'firefox-esr' is running? >>     $ systemctl --user status >> > > There's a few entries like the following: > > ├─app-firefox\x2desr-dc24162ec3664da890a78fe619b4b

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 06:22:40PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 5:43:49 PM EST Andy Smith wrote: > > However, if for your own eccentric reasons you insist: > > > > # echo 'net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1' > > > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf > > > And thats ba

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 18:50, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 23:24 by avbe...@gmail.com: > >> Does this command show anything useful when 'firefox-esr' is running? >>     $ systemctl --user status >> > > There's a few entries like the following: > > ├─app-firefox\x2desr-dc24162ec3664da890a78fe619b4b

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 23:58 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > > >> Sounds sketchy but whatever.  Is there a list of all the horrible things >> Norbert Preining said that was used to support the decision to demote him? >> As a Debian and KDE user I'm trying to understand if Debian leadership was >> reasonabl

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 23:42:33 + Brian wrote: > I was rather hoping for some mention of the role of Avahi and > libnss-mdns on the local network amd its minimal maintenamce. I seem to have it installed, mostly to support an apple Macbook. But I did not configure it in any way. Apparently, it

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 23:24 by avbe...@gmail.com: > Does this command show anything useful when 'firefox-esr' is running? >     $ systemctl --user status > There's a few entries like the following: ├─app-firefox\x2desr-dc24162ec3664da890a78fe619b4b1e4.scope    │ │ ├─51854 /usr/lib/firefox-esr/f

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 18:32, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 21:43 by p...@debian.org: > >> What happened is that DAM took a decision, which was challenged by some >> Developers, among with some were willing to start a General Resolution >> to overturn DAM's decision. >> >> In that heated discussion, Ian

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 15:14:54 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > > Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 15:01 (UTC-0500): > > > * After a change is made, it has to be replicated across your entire > >network. Manually. > > But trivial. Manual intervention as opposed to no intervention. What

Re: Hyper-typematic and Firefox responsiveness in Weston.

2022-01-23 Thread peter
From: Andrei POPESCU Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 10:15:56 +0100 > According to the manpage '--display' is an X11 option. > > Could it be that it actually forces Firefox to run via XWayland or so? I should find a way to know the variant of FF which is running. Xwayland or weston native. Bef

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 12:52:27 -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:09:27 + > Brian wrote: > > > What advice would you give to a user regarding the benefits of a hosts > > file as opposed to more modern techniques? > > By "more modern techniques" I will assume you mean DHCP

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 23.01.2022 23:36, local10 wrote: Hi, Based on the log records (see below) it looks like systemd is regularly starting Firefox. I don't recall setting up anything like that, so why is systemd doing it? Thanks # cat /var/log/syslog ... Jan 23 06:31:37 test systemd[922]: Started Firefox ESR

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 21:43 by p...@debian.org: > What happened is that DAM took a decision, which was challenged by some > Developers, among with some were willing to start a General Resolution > to overturn DAM's decision. > > In that heated discussion, Ian decided to collect any bad interaction > betwe

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Andy Smith wrote: > However, if for your own eccentric reasons you insist: > > # echo 'net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1' > /etc/sysctl.d/disableipv6.conf > > will disable it from the next boot. > > You can use: > > # sysctl --system > > to re-apply all sysctl configs immediately, so disabling

Re: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi peb, > And as debian-private is private, there is little to no chance a Debian > Member will provide any mail Norbert might not provide. > > And, for the sake of clarity, neither Norbert should provide no mail at > all, for the forementioned reason. That remains solely at my discretion. I wil

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 5:43:49 PM EST Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 04:08:34PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > So what is the official, works in bookworm every time, way to totally > > kill ipv6, making it use ipv4 for everything? > > You don't need to; having IPv6 activ

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread RP
n 1/23/22 13:43, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: local10 wrote on 23/01/2022 at 21:34:19+0100: Jan 23, 2022, 20:12 by deb...@polynamaude.com: You'd leave because you have to be held responsible for your actions ? What actions? Based on the message ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 05:26:17PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:28:56 PM EST Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 04:08:34PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetings folks; > > > > > > Let me say first that I'm around 150 miles from any ipv6 capable

Re: Chromium security updates

2022-01-23 Thread Richmond
Salvatore Bonaccorso writes: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 07:20:26PM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Jo, 20 ian 22, 00:08:52, Richmond wrote: >> > I see debian 10's chromium is currently on version 90.0.4430.212 >> > (Developer Build), whereas google-chrome is on Version 97.0.4692.99 >> >

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 04:08:34PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > So what is the official, works in bookworm every time, way to totally > kill ipv6, making it use ipv4 for everything? You don't need to; having IPv6 active doesn't cause any problem even if you don't have a default route that su

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 4:28:56 PM EST Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 04:08:34PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > Greetings folks; > > > > Let me say first that I'm around 150 miles from any ipv6 capable > > network, just to get that out of the way. > > > > Its booted to a t

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
local10 wrote on 23/01/2022 at 21:34:19+0100: > Jan 23, 2022, 20:12 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > >> You'd leave because you have to be held responsible for your actions ? >> > > What actions? Based on the message > ( https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/01/msg00186.html ) it > looks like

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 2:09:27 PM EST Brian wrote: > On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 13:53:01 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:26:56 PM EST Felix Miata wrote: > > > Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 08:42 (UTC-0500): > > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andrei

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
gene heskett wrote: > Greetings folks; > > Let me say first that I'm around 150 miles from any ipv6 capable network, > just to get that out of the way. > > Its booted to a text login and the first thing I did was import a saved > copy of the hosts file, and added rpi4-20220122.coyote.den with an

Re: trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 04:08:34PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Greetings folks; > > Let me say first that I'm around 150 miles from any ipv6 capable network, > just to get that out of the way. > > Its booted to a text login and the first thing I did was import a saved > copy of the hosts file,

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:41:36 + Andy Smith wrote: > If wanting to play around with mdraid you can do it with loop > devices created from image files on your regular filesystem. Nice, thank you. One would probably have to install mdadm: # apt install mdadm > for i in a b; do sudo losetup -

trying to get bookworm net going on an rpi4

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
Greetings folks; Let me say first that I'm around 150 miles from any ipv6 capable network, just to get that out of the way. Its booted to a text login and the first thing I did was import a saved copy of the hosts file, and added rpi4-20220122.coyote.den with an alias of rpi42 to that file. Th

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 21:34 +0100, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 20:12 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > > > You'd leave because you have to be held responsible for your actions ? > > > > What actions? Based on the message (  > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/01/msg00186.html ) it looks

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 20:12 by deb...@polynamaude.com: > You'd leave because you have to be held responsible for your actions ? > What actions? Based on the message (  https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/01/msg00186.html ) it looks like they came up with the verdict first and then started to lo

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 19:15 by songb...@anthive.com: > what desktop are you running? > > it may be set up in your desktop to automatically be started. > Am using KDE. Don't have any tasks in KDE Autostart. Regards,

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Felix Miata
Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 15:01 (UTC-0500): > * After a change is made, it has to be replicated across your entire >network. Manually. But trivial. > * Any "visitor" machines that are temporarily added to your network will >need to be configured manually, and they will h

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 14:10, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 18:48 by ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net: > >> On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >>> >>> >> I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from >> there, but i did not explore 900 matches of >> >>

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
local10 wrote on 23/01/2022 at 20:10:26+0100: > Jan 23, 2022, 18:48 by ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net: > >> On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> >>> >>> >> I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from >> there, but i did not explore 900 matches o

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 08:53, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside] > >> This is a mailing list, not a airport. No need to announce any departure. >> If you feel there's something better then go for your own faith. >> >> The basis of community based software is pretty simple :

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:09:27PM +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 13:53:01 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:26:56 PM EST Felix Miata wrote: > > > Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 08:42 (UTC-0500): > > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andr

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:10:26PM +0100, local10 wrote: > Jan 23, 2022, 18:48 by ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net: > > > On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > >> > >> > > I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from > > there, but i did not explore

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 08:16, mick crane wrote: > On 2022-01-23 11:56, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hi Mick, >> >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52:12AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: >>> > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> > > I was a little concern

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 19:09:27 + Brian wrote: > What advice would you give to a user regarding the benefits of a hosts > file as opposed to more modern techniques? By "more modern techniques" I will assume you mean DHCP and DNS. Hosts files are simple, easy to do. They have to be propagated a

Re: Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread songbird
what desktop are you running? it may be set up in your desktop to automatically be started. songbird

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Jan 23, 2022, 18:48 by ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net: > On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >> >> > I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from > there, but i did not explore 900 matches of > > > > https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bi

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 13:53:01 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:26:56 PM EST Felix Miata wrote: > > Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 08:42 (UTC-0500): > > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > >> As far as I can tell (with my limited un

Why is systemd starting Firefox?

2022-01-23 Thread local10
Hi, Based on the log records (see below) it looks like systemd is regularly starting Firefox. I don't recall setting up anything like that, so why is systemd doing it? Thanks # cat /var/log/syslog ... Jan 23 06:31:37 test systemd[922]: Started Firefox ESR - Web Browser. ... Jan 23 06:31:53 tes

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 1:26:56 PM EST Felix Miata wrote: > Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 08:42 (UTC-0500): > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> As far as I can tell (with my limited understanding of DNS) it only > >> makes it easier to share /etc/host

Re: firefox and limited bookmarks. WTH?

2022-01-23 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, January 23, 2022 10:56:20 AM EST David Wright wrote: > On Sat 22 Jan 2022 at 21:07:17 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > > Thanks for backing me up Cindy. I found I did not own the .mozilla/ > > firefox directory but a recursive chown -R gene:gene * did not fix > > it. > > Who or what /did/

Re: [SUMMARY STATEMENT] Was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Marco Möller
On 23.01.22 00:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 08:29:42PM +0100, Marco Möller wrote: On 22.01.22 15:24, songbird wrote: Thomas Schmitt wrote: ... When this topic came up i googled around for learning about the actual conflict. This mail by Norbert Preining https://lis

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 07:09:48PM +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > To really profit from the enhanced reliability, you need to play > through the recovery scenario, too. I recommend doing this in a VM > unless you have some dedicated machine with at least two HDDs to > play with. If wanting to p

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Felix Miata
Greg Wooledge composed on 2022-01-23 08:42 (UTC-0500): > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> As far as I can tell (with my limited understanding of DNS) it only >> makes it easier to share /etc/hosts with no obvious downside. > If that actually works, that's great

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread Linux-Fan
pe...@easthope.ca writes: From: Andy Smith Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:07:23 + > ... you use RAID. I knew nothing of RAID. Therefore read here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID Reliability is more valuable to me than speed. RAID 0 won't help. For reliability I need a mirrored 2n

Re: Kodi (SID)

2022-01-23 Thread SDA
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 09:47:31AM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 22 ian 22, 15:41:37, SDA wrote: > > Greetings! > > > > The past week or so, up until today Kodi has been segfaulting on me - > > Anyone > > else? > > Starting from a term: > > > > failed to open zone.tab > > libva info: VA

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread peter
From: Andy Smith Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:07:23 + > ... you use RAID. I knew nothing of RAID. Therefore read here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID Reliability is more valuable to me than speed. RAID 0 won't help. For reliability I need a mirrored 2nd drive in the host; RAID 1

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:31:29AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:03:27 +0100 > wrote: [...] > > This is not helpful [...] > This isn't very helpful either. What we have here is a difference in > world view. At least one of you is (and possibly both are) wrong. You are m

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread tomas
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:14:06AM -0700, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:09:47 + > Andy Smith wrote: > > > Yes. When a drive sector goes bad, the drive cannot read from it, so > > you get an error in Linux when a read is attempted. > > As I understand things, that isn't entir

Re: firefox and limited bookmarks. WTH?

2022-01-23 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Jan 2022 at 21:07:17 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > Thanks for backing me up Cindy. I found I did not own the .mozilla/ > firefox directory but a recursive chown -R gene:gene * did not fix it. Who or what /did/ own it? That might help you determine how this bizarre situation arose. Che

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread David Wright
On Sun 23 Jan 2022 at 08:50:56 (+0100), Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 22 ian 22, 20:07:45, David Wright wrote: > > > > Because the basic /etc/hosts file looks something like: > > > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > 192.168.1.1 router.corp router > > 192.168.1.2 cascade.corpcasc

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread peter
> You should do a backup ASAP. Personal data is on a micro SD card. After doing something worth saving it's backed to the host drive by me running this bash script . Backup() { \ if [ "$#" -gt 1 ]; then echo "Too many arguments."; else echo "0 or 1 arguments are OK."; if [ "$#" -eq 0

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:03:27 +0100 wrote: > > Looking into the details to me it seems exactly as expected. The > > liberal hijacked Debian [...] > > This is not helpful. If you value logic as much as you talk about (cf. > your other post), you wouldn't need this narrative of Some Dark > C

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:09:47 + Andy Smith wrote: > Yes. When a drive sector goes bad, the drive cannot read from it, so > you get an error in Linux when a read is attempted. As I understand things, that isn't entirely correct. From what I understand: If the drive can read a sector without e

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Just a note, he's not 30 https://people.debian.org/~peb/resume.html but I stop as it is unbearable ... and I am not sure who is playing the fool. You are just digging the grave for this awesome project and I hope I am wrong. But it could be just evolution

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
> > > > This diff might give you an idea of some of the problems with this > > > > software (sadly broken TLS setup so have to click through warning): > > > > > > > > https://gitlab.com/woob/woob/-/merge_requests/228/diffs#85eabf8cd7ee0b4611976309bd723f6ad7b301c4_785_784 > If you insist on continu

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 05:59:40AM -0500, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > On 2022-01-23 04:52, deloptes wrote: > > Marco Möller wrote: > > [Marco Moeller] > >> I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to > >> not provoke avoidable discussions and would r

Re: hostname is being reset, killing net on reboot

2022-01-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 08:50:56AM +0100, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 22 ian 22, 20:07:45, David Wright wrote: > > > > Because the basic /etc/hosts file looks something like: > > > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > 192.168.1.1 router.corp router > > 192.168.1.2 cascade.corpca

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
I was not considering keeping up this discussion but it's really too tempting, so here is a last one! deloptes wrote on 23/01/2022 at 13:30:03+0100: > I do not know you But, > I am fed up of guys like you. deloptes wrote on 23/01/2022 at 13:30:03+0100: > I do not know you and I do not insu

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread mick crane
On 2022-01-23 11:56, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Mick, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52:12AM +, mick crane wrote: On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: > > I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that > > software > >

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi delptes, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 01:30:03PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > I do not know you and I do not insult you > I am fed up of guys like you. > you are one of those smart, morally superior *** *, who know they are > better. > I even do not expect you will understand what I am saying >

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 07:30, deloptes wrote: > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > >> You do not care but still take plenty time to post a very long paragraph >> full of nonsense which brings nothing relevant to the discussion, and >> shows that you are also able to lack that ability you claim having to >> ha

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > You do not care but still take plenty time to post a very long paragraph > full of nonsense which brings nothing relevant to the discussion, and > shows that you are also able to lack that ability you claim having to > have a constructive debate instead of asserting,

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
deloptes wrote on 23/01/2022 at 11:38:21+0100: > Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing this masterpiece of rhetoric, intellect and >> understanding about how things work in Debian. >> >> This was enlightening. > > you are welcome (I am not stupid, just answering in the same manne

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Mick, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:52:12AM +, mick crane wrote: > On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: > > > I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that > > > software > > > got removed from the repository

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 06:52, mick crane wrote: > On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: >>> I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that >>> software >>> got removed from the repository because of variable nam

Re: "Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread mick crane
On 2022-01-23 11:38, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that software got removed from the repository because of variable names. If you're referring to the WebOOB package, that was n

"Package was removed from Debian because of a variable name" myth (?) (was: Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?)

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 11:17:25AM +, mick crane wrote: > I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that software > got removed from the repository because of variable names. If you're referring to the WebOOB package, that was not why it was removed and incorrect stat

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2022-01-23 06:17, mick crane wrote: >> >> All together it is sad that conflicts are not solved for one or another >> reason. > > This is probably an accurate observation. > I was a little concerned about the direction of travel when that > software got removed from the repository because o

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread mick crane
On 2022-01-23 08:19, deloptes wrote: Marco Möller wrote: I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to not provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given off obstructively. As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from years old discu

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > I feel like someone is very frustrated and can't seem to self moderate > himself. > > This is probably the part of opensource community that is the most time > consuming and more destructive for all projects, what make serious > people look at us like if w

Re: smartd

2022-01-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 09:16:53PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Andy Smith > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2022 19:07:23 + > > You are better off finding the damaged sectors and causing the drive > > to remap them by writing new content in there. Then you don't have > > to keep

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 04:52, deloptes wrote: > Marco Möller wrote: > >> I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to >> not provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given >> off obstructively. >> As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from ye

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2022-01-23 05:31, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> This is not helpful. If you value logic as much as you talk about (cf. >> your other post), you wouldn't need this narrative of Some Dark >> Conspiracy Taking Over The World (TM). >> > > No conspiracy - it is a fact. > >> Stic

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Thanks for sharing this masterpiece of rhetoric, intellect and > understanding about how things work in Debian. > > This was enlightening. you are welcome (I am not stupid, just answering in the same manner) I do not care what you do in Debian. I use and support th

Re: Why did Norbert Preining (having maintained KDE) left Debian?

2022-01-23 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > This is not helpful. If you value logic as much as you talk about (cf. > your other post), you wouldn't need this narrative of Some Dark > Conspiracy Taking Over The World (TM). > No conspiracy - it is a fact. > Stick to the things as they are. Accept that there are ot

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