Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 21.20:52 Jerry Stuckle a écrit : > On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > That is the huge majority of Debian users. > > > >> Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't > >> work as expecte

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit : > Did I miss something? Yes. > Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1] > Option 2: change init policy *LOST* > Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost* > Option 4: policy stands, no statement needed *WON* > Option 5: null

Re: Bugs

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 04:37:54AM -0800, Chris Help wrote: > Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywhere. They also at my brother, > on my.harddrive from laptop. Im cannot dl whats app or call because of > them. And really it was just i wanne to learn and no more Windows os. I had > kali and

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Erwan David
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 05:25:58AM CET, Ric Moore said: > On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > >>On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> That is the huge majority of Debian users. > >>>Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade a

Re: my unintentional irony and self-satire - Now French saying to Aussie colloquialism fail

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 16:42, Bret Busby wrote: > On 24/11/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby wrote: >> [*1] one-bookian equivalent - Matthew7:5,Paul6:42 >> > > In tems of Orstarlianinsms, does the above, mean that Matthew got 7 > gaols, and whalloped 5 behinds, and Paul only got 6

Re: ntpd confusion

2014-11-23 Thread Chen Wei
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 09:57:50PM +0100, mad wrote: > # ntpq -p > remote refidst t when poll reach delay offset jitter > > fritz.box X.Y.Z.A 3 u- 6411.8740.153 0.052 > > I use th

Re: my unintentional irony and self-satire - Now French saying to Aussie colloquialism fail

2014-11-23 Thread Bret Busby
On 24/11/2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby wrote: >>>On 24/11/14 08:06, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > To any listmasters that might be paying attention. > > L'hôpital qui se moque de l

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Matt Ventura wrote: > On 11/23/2014 8:31 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> >> Joel Rees writes: >>> >>> So, what should Patrick file the bug against? >> >> I'd file against udev. That may not be correct but if not the >> maintainers will sort it out. Just explain that yo

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Bret Busby
On 24/11/2014, Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Larry Owens wrote: >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bret Busby [mailto:bret.bu...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:03 AM >> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> Subject: Re: enough with the what's (not)

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Matt Ventura
On 11/23/2014 8:31 PM, John Hasler wrote: Joel Rees writes: So, what should Patrick file the bug against? I'd file against udev. That may not be correct but if not the maintainers will sort it out. Just explain that you are not certain of the exact package and why. I think the bug here IMO is

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread John Hasler
Joel Rees writes: > So, what should Patrick file the bug against? I'd file against udev. That may not be correct but if not the maintainers will sort it out. Just explain that you are not certain of the exact package and why. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Like what?? I first installed syste

Re: Purging a package...............

2014-11-23 Thread Charlie
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:11:56 -0700 Bob Proulx sent: > Charlie wrote: > > In a different email, under the heading: Re: Installing an > > Alternative Init? Andrei posted this in part: > > > > [quote] A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is > > generally considered a bug in Debian,

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:30 PM, John Hasler wrote: > Patrick Wiseman writes: >> The manual configuration was way back when I still had GUI use of this >> machine, and it had continued to be respected. It's not a bug when the >> entire infrastructure is changed and power management (suspend, >> h

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread John Hasler
Patrick Wiseman writes: > The manual configuration was way back when I still had GUI use of this > machine, and it had continued to be respected. It's not a bug when the > entire infrastructure is changed and power management (suspend, > hibernate, etc.) is handled differently. Yes it is. -- John

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM, koanhead wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:00:02 +0100, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > >> I am NOT starting another flamewar about systemd... > > we hope. Since I said so, why would you doubt it? >> >> Looking at the laptop, I noticed that the suspend indicator was on, e

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Matt Ventura wrote: > On 11/23/2014 2:36 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> >> I am NOT starting another flamewar about systemd, but I was just >> upgrading a headless system (an old T61p laptop which has no >> functioning screen any more but which otherwise runs well a

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Marty
On 11/23/2014 06:48 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Marty wrote: On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner wa

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > That is the huge majority of Debian users. >> Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as >> expected. > > Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Matt Ventura
On 11/23/2014 2:36 PM, Patrick Wiseman wrote: I am NOT starting another flamewar about systemd, but I was just upgrading a headless system (an old T61p laptop which has no functioning screen any more but which otherwise runs well and which I use as an internal webserver) by running aptitude in an

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 11:16 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:47:51PM +0100, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Dev

Re: my unintentional irony and self-satire - Now French saying to Aussie colloquialism fail

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
> On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby wrote: >>On 24/11/14 08:06, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. >>> L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? >>> >> I think that, in one of the s

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: Andrew McGlashan writes: You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? ...and you are deluded if

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have yet to have a single problem with it. Many wil

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread koanhead
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 00:00:02 +0100, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > I am NOT starting another flamewar about systemd... we hope. > > Looking at the laptop, I noticed that the suspend indicator was on, even > though I have had power management ignore the lid switch... > It turns out that logind, a pie

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Larry Owens wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: Bret Busby [mailto:bret.bu...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:03 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already > > On 24/11/

RE: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Larry Owens
-Original Message- From: Bret Busby [mailto:bret.bu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:03 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already On 24/11/2014, Curt wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> To

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Teresa e Junior
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:41:56 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: For completeness, you'll find this works also:- curl --ciphers AES128-SHA256 https://www.basebit.com.br Thank you! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact list

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 11:25, Teresa e Junior wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:10:35 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 21/11/14 04:56, Teresa e Junior wrote: > > Your solution is much simpler, thank you! My pleasure. For completeness, you'll find this works also:- curl --ciphers AES128-SHA256 https://www.

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/23/2014 01:04 PM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro wrote: What does it say when you run "ideviceinfo" in a terminal after plugging in your device (might tell us what is missing from the picture)? GnuTLS error: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. Well, that error

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Teresa e Junior
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:10:35 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/11/14 04:56, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert int

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 04:56, Teresa e Junior wrote: > Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl > https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: > curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 > alert internal error > > I have done some research, and found

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
Marty wrote: On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was "developers will work it out themselves" i.e.

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 5:29 PM, seeker5528 wrote: > > On 11/23/2014 1:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> We're not talking non-technical people here. We are talking companies >> with ITcd departments managing multiple servers and desktops. We are >> talking small companies who contract their IT services. We ar

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Marty
On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was "developers will work it out themselves" i.e. Debian won.

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 02:23:11PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:20:23 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > >>On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > >>>Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheez

Re: Purging a package...............

2014-11-23 Thread songbird
Bob Proulx wrote: ... also, sometimes via the package deborphan the utility called orphaner can help get rid of libraries that are no longer needed. but of course with any tool, please understand what it is asking for you to remove before saying OK (simulate is a useful option as it may fin

Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-23 Thread Patrick Wiseman
I am NOT starting another flamewar about systemd, but I was just upgrading a headless system (an old T61p laptop which has no functioning screen any more but which otherwise runs well and which I use as an internal webserver) by running aptitude in an ssh session. All went well until udev got upgra

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread seeker5528
On 11/23/2014 1:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: We're not talking non-technical people here. We are talking companies with ITcd departments managing multiple servers and desktops. We are talking small companies who contract their IT services. We are talking individual users running their own serve

Re: Purging a package...............

2014-11-23 Thread Bob Proulx
Charlie wrote: > In a different email, under the heading: Re: Installing an Alternative > Init? Andrei posted this in part: > > [quote] A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is > generally considered a bug in Debian, severity depending on the impact, > of course. [end quote] > > I

Re: Purging a package...............

2014-11-23 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:22:29 +1100 Charlie wrote: > > In a different email, under the heading: Re: Installing an Alternative > Init? Andrei posted this in part: > > [quote] A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is > generally considered a bug in Debian, severity depending

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 1:27 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: >>> 'installing systemd, then removing >>> and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be >>> considered the *equivalent* >>> of doing a *c

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 2:20 PM, seeker5528 wrote: > > On 11/23/2014 9:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people >> who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian >> users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 1:15 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:17:00, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> >> What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who >> don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. > > I agree that they are the majority. > >> Some

Re: wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface

2014-11-23 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello Brian, On 23/11/14 22:02, Brian wrote: > On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 19:38:37 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > >> is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign >> in via coova hot spot interface ? >> >> Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, > > If you are using ifupdown yo

Purging a package...............

2014-11-23 Thread Charlie
In a different email, under the heading: Re: Installing an Alternative Init? Andrei posted this in part: [quote] A package not properly cleaning after itself on purge is generally considered a bug in Debian, severity depending on the impact, of course. [end quote] I suppose this is literal, just

Re: replacing boot and only disk drive

2014-11-23 Thread seeker5528
On 11/23/2014 12:03 PM, Doug wrote: Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants to be "activated" and I found that GParted's activation does not suffice.That's why I mentioned obtaining a program to activate Windows. If you only have one computer, you should ge

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 23 November 2014 18:27:55 Tanstaafl wrote: > Ignorance reigns supreme. > > Lisi - they are purely and simply *not* equivalents, and never can be. They _are_ equivalent. They are not the same. Try your dictionary rather than gratuitously accusing me of ignorance because I don't agree w

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> To any listmasters that might be paying attention. >> > > L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? > > :) Apt. (In English "Pot, meet kettle") Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debia

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro wrote: >>> >> What does it say when you run "ideviceinfo" in a terminal after plugging >> in your device (might tell us what is missing from the picture)? >> > GnuTLS error: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. > > Well, that error is worth a google search

Re: wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface

2014-11-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 19:38:37 +0100, Jerome BENOIT wrote: > is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign > in via coova hot spot interface ? > > Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, If you are using ifupdown you will likely be wanting to use a wpa-roam.conf in it. Th

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/23/2014 11:20 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro wrote: Yes. I have gvfs 1.12.3-4 installed, as well as gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 and fuse 2.9.0-2+deb7u1. Does this help, or hurt? Those were installed to access my phone. Scott has suggested that the iPod might be getting grabbed by

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 20:13:06 +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Le 23/11/2014 20:09, Brian a écrit : > > > > It would be nice if you regarded the word "functionally" as an essential > > qualification of "equivalent" or "identical" and not dismiss it. > > > If "functionnally" is the only criteria, then

Re: replacing boot and only disk drive

2014-11-23 Thread Joel Roth
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 03:03:53PM -0500, Doug wrote: > On 11/22/2014 11:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > >Grub can boot Windows just fine. > Yes, grub can boot Windows _just fine_ if Windows is bootable. Windows wants > to be "activated" and I found that GParted's activation does not > suffice.That's >

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 14:15:17 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 2:09 PM, Brian wrote: > > It would be nice if you regarded the word "functionally" as an essential > > qualification of "equivalent" or "identical" and not dismiss it. > > What would be nice is if you (and others) would stop

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Ron
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:03:20 +0800 Bret Busby wrote: > > L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? > > > > > > I think that, in one of the sciences, was a "L'Hopital's Rule", but, > do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rule. > > Otherwise, I wonder whether the above, has something

Re: replacing boot and only disk drive

2014-11-23 Thread Doug
On 11/22/2014 11:38 PM, Joel Roth wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:29:20PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: /snip/ If you use UUIDs instead of /dev/sd??, you avoid the issue of locations changing. If the new /dev/sda drive has GRUB in the MBR, I believe you should be able to boot from the comma

Re: ntpd confusion

2014-11-23 Thread Bob Proulx
mad wrote: > I use the default ntp configuration and other Debian installations > "directly on the internet" use all four clock sources > (0.debian.pool, 1.debian.pool...). Should see some remapped names from the pool in the list then. > Why is that? It seems to have something to do with IPv4

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread seeker5528
On 11/23/2014 9:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. That's how it works wit

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby wrote: >> >> L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? >> > I think that, in one of the sciences, was a "L'Hopital's Rule", but, > do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rule. My etymological sources tell me that from the end of the Middle Ages to the beginning

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/11/2014 4:17 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: >> Andrew McGlashan writes: >>> You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to >>> what is allowed to be received via the debian-user l

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Marc Shapiro wrote: >> > Yes. I have gvfs 1.12.3-4 installed, as well as gvfs-fuse 1.12.3-4 and > fuse 2.9.0-2+deb7u1. Does this help, or hurt? Those were installed to > access my phone. Scott has suggested that the iPod might be getting > grabbed by a fusefs. Does this make

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/23/2014 2:09 PM, Brian wrote: > It would be nice if you regarded the word "functionally" as an essential > qualification of "equivalent" or "identical" and not dismiss it. What would be nice is if you (and others) would stop claiming that 'installing systemd, then installing sysvinit-core,

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/11/2014 3:38 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Andrew McGlashan writes: >> I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is >> that so hard to understand? > > What's hard to understand is why I should give a damn. Ditto on why I should g

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Erwan David
Le 23/11/2014 20:09, Brian a écrit : > On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 13:27:55 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: 'installing systemd, then removing and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Brian
On Sun 23 Nov 2014 at 13:27:55 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: > >> 'installing systemd, then removing > >> and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be > >> considered the *equivalent

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Bret Busby
On 24/11/2014, Curt wrote: > On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> To any listmasters that might be paying attention. >> > > L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? > > I think that, in one of the sciences, was a "L'Hopital's Rule", but, do not remember to what it applied, or, what was the rul

wpa_supplicant: automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface

2014-11-23 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello Forum, is there any simple way to allow wpa_supplicant to automatically sign in via coova hot spot interface ? Any hint is welcome, thanks in advance, Jerome -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@li

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:17:00, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > What I see missing in these discussions is the vast number of people who > don't monitor the lists. That is the huge majority of Debian users. I agree that they are the majority. > Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things do

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/23/2014 12:43 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: >> 'installing systemd, then removing >> and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be >> considered the *equivalent* >> of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, >> where systemd

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 22:05:08, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Are you sure these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from > > the 'apt' source package. Anyway: > > Yes, they are. I'm curious at which step they get generated. Me too. Care to explain step by step what you did? Kind regards, Andr

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 23 nov 14, 12:23:15, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 11/22/2014 10:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > You made a claim that installing systemd would pull in other packages > > vie dependencies, that are later difficult to remove. > > Incorrect. I never made that claim. Methinks you have me confuse

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/23/2014 09:47 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-22, Marc Shapiro wrote: My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an iPad Mini and it would be nice to be able to maintain that from the linux box, as

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside working all day (almost beer o'clock) On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 23/11/14 09:50, Marc Shapiro wrote: My daughter has re

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-22, Marc Shapiro wrote: > My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be > able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an > iPad Mini and it would be nice to be able to maintain that from the > linux box, as well. I have googled. I ha

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 23 November 2014 17:23:15 Tanstaafl wrote: > 'installing systemd, then removing > and installing sysvinit' - was absolutely not and never could be > considered the *equivalent* > of doing a *clean install with sysvinit*, > where systemd is never installed in the first place. The equiva

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Teresa e Junior
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:30:34 + (UTC), Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Teresa e Junior wrote: They must have changed the server configuration all today, because yesterday it worked, and so I implemented the shell script. But today the script would not work, and then I got the same errors you bot

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hallo, * Joel Roth [Thu, Nov 20 2014, 10:05:08PM]: > > > pkgcache.apt > > > pkgcache.bin > > > restore > > > sources.list > > > sources.list.destdir > > > srcpkgcache.bin > > > Hi Andrei, > > > Are you sure these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from > > the 'apt' sourc

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 11:43 AM, John Hasler wrote: > Andrew McGlashan writes: >> You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to >> what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... > > What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? > >> ...and you ar

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Teresa e Junior wrote: > > They must have changed the server configuration all today, because > yesterday it worked, and so I implemented the shell script. But today > the script would not work, and then I got the same errors you both have > mentioned... > And with the 'L' flag,

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-23 Thread Tanstaafl
On 11/22/2014 10:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 10 nov 14, 18:20:37, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >>> Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: >>> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a way that systemd is

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Teresa e Junior
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 16:24:06 + (UTC), Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister wrote: This works: curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br I get this: tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread John Hasler
Andrew McGlashan writes: > You will never see the full picture of the problem if you only listen to > what is allowed to be received via the debian-user list... What makes you think debian-user is my only source of information? > ...and you are deluded if you think the problem only concerns a sma

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister wrote: > > "weasel words" ?? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm7439d.30

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread John Hasler
Andrew McGlashan writes: > I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so > hard to understand? What's hard to understand is why I should give a damn. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org w

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > To any listmasters that might be paying attention. > L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://li

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:47:51PM +0100, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 > Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 > > > Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > > > >> It lost. Developers are not be

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-23, Chris Bannister wrote: >> >> This works: >> curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br > > I get this: > > tal% curl --ciphers DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA https://www.basebit.com.br > curl: (35) error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert > handshake fa

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Teresa e Junior
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 05:20:23 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the me

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:03:19PM -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:56:41 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > >Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl > >https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: > >curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:01:44AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > I DO NOT WANT SYSTEMD ON ANY SYSTEM THAT I ADMINISTRATE ... is that so > hard to understand? Loud and clear - So DON'T INSTALL it then! You're ranting because of philisophical differences, and that my friend isn't for -user. Y

Re: ntpd confusion

2014-11-23 Thread mad
Am 22.11.2014 um 22:01 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 22/11/2014 21:57, mad a écrit : >> Hi! >> >> I'm stumped. On my home network all my Debian installations _only_ use >> the router as clock source. >> >> # ntpq -p >> remote refidst t when poll reach delay offset jitter >> ==

enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
To any listmasters that might be paying attention. Perhaps it's time to establish policy that meta-meta-discussions about what's on-topic and what's not, are themselves off-topic, and grounds for moderation? All of the wrangling, degenerating into name calling, conspiracy theories, and profa

Re: replacing boot and only disk drive

2014-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 18:38:41 -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:29:20PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> I have a laptop (an old Asus EEEPC), and I need to replace its only >> disk drive with a larger one. The hardware aspects are easy -- keep >> static electricity away and use a s

[solved] Re: virtmanager not connecting to server

2014-11-23 Thread Gary Dale
On 23/11/14 02:29 AM, Reco wrote: On 22/11/14 06:06 PM, Reco wrote: Changes the error: Unable to connect to libvirt. Cannot recv data: Host key verification failed.: Connection reset by peer Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running on the remote host. Details: ibvirt URI is: qemu+ssh://

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 23/11/2014 7:53 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > How many people subscribe to this list? > How many people follow the various reposting of this list? Sorry Scott, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The assumptions you are making a

Re: Bugs

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Help
The make loopbacks or somthing. I plugged router in now. Mij laptop i do not because i thing they also go to all my contacts . I uninstalled everything Op 23 nov. 2014 13:37 schreef "Chris Help" < helpmescripsareeverywh...@gmail.com> het volgende: > Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywher

Bugs

2014-11-23 Thread Chris Help
Im affraid as i plug in router they go everywhere. They also at my brother, on my.harddrive from laptop. Im cannot dl whats app or call because of them. And really it was just i wanne to learn and no more Windows os. I had kali and pinguy, and i prefer to both reinstall. But at this moment i go off

Re: replacing boot and only disk drive

2014-11-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 12:14:25 +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Pascal Hambourg a écrit : >> Hendrik Boom a écrit : >> >>> Unless the MBR or something related to it contains information about >>> the size of the entire disk, which will now be wrong. >> >> 2) If Windows boots from UEFI, I suppose th

pleas view the attached & contact him immediately for your cheque/ bank draft?

2014-11-23 Thread U/N
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