Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Joel Rees
As Don pointed out, it's the threads that have been clipped, as it were, not the topics: I think it's probably just as well, as those threads themselves were started by either a sockpuppet or someone who had lost control of himself, and the threads were counterproductive. So I can say, "systemd!"

Re: Software version issue

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 21:26:33, Joe wrote: > > So your choice is between testing and unstable, Jessie and Sid. Sid is > a rougher ride, more likely to have things broken at any time and > without warning, but for the next (approximately) six months it is the > only distribution which will receive new

Re: Downloading sources from an unsigned intranet repository

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 21:13:17, Stuart Longland wrote: > > The beef I have, is this not what happens if you do an `apt-get > download` or an `apt-get source`: in both those latter cases, it never > asks the question, it just flatly refuses to give you the sources. > > Now, merely obtaining the binary

Re: Fvwm.... this actually didn't work........

2014-10-06 Thread Vincent W. Chen
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Charlie wrote: > > This actually didn't work in my ~/.fvwm/functions directory: > > # > # This is the Debian menu call as suggested by Vincent W Chen. > # Debian Menu > #---

Re: Wifi works again. Should I post bug reports?

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 12:57:33, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:35:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > In Jessie network-manager uses libpam-systemd to do this automagically. > > Meaning, I presume, that systemd tells it who is allowed to adjust the > enetwork configuration, not tha

Re: root account inaccessible, was 'login problems on change of default shell'

2014-10-06 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 06 oct 14, 10:23:28, John Aten wrote: > I booted up the broken system and attempted to get the device name > looking at /etc/fstab, mount and fdisk -l. I got a device name > (/dev/sda1) and a UUID. You should use 'fdisk -l' or 'blkid' only after you boot with your rescue disk/usb/whatev

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 17:42:14 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, > as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. I emailed listmas...@lists.debian.org, and although I didn't get a yes or no answer to my yes or no questi

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:43:37 -0500 Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 06 Oct 16:45 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the > > list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts > > all had something in common, an

Action, inaction, and over-the-top

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 15:51:29 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit : > > What is needed is inaction, > > Huh I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is > weird! > Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people ne

Re: Jessie: suddenly unable to make any changes with apt-get or aptitude:

2014-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Sentientmeat Net wrote: > # journalctl -b _PID=7477 > -- Logs begin at Sun 2014-10-05 10:05:14 PDT, end at Mon 2014-10-06 > 20:11:54 PDT. -- > Oct 06 19:46:43 sinova systemd-sysctl[7477]: Failed to write > 'dba_group_gid' to '/proc/sys/vm/hugetlb_shm_group': Invalid argument /

Icedove: migration/transition ptofile from Thunderbird

2014-10-06 Thread taro-k
Hi, I've just migrated to Icedove (icedove_31.0-3) from the latest Thunderbird. I copyied my Thunderbird's profile $HOME/.thunderbird to $HOME/.icedove, and it seems good so far. Is there know problem for this?, because Know problems of Icedove: https://wiki.debian.org/Icedove#Known_Problems says

Jessie: suddenly unable to make any changes with apt-get or aptitude:

2014-10-06 Thread Sentientmeat Net
Hi, I've Googled around for where to start to solve this problem, and I can't even begin. I confess, I don't grok systemd or systemctl at all. Suddenly my breezy aptitude updates have broken, and I can't make even the smallest change with apt-get or aptitude. I've tried the -f switch to fix thing

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 10/06/2014 at 10:43 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 06 Oct 16:45 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the >> list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts >> all had something in common, and it was *

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 06 Oct 16:45 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, > as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts all had > something in common, and it was *not* swearwords or gratuitous > personal insults. Same her

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread davidson
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Don Armstrong wrote: On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. Threads which are off topic for debian-user may be filtered out by listmas...@lists.debian.or

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Alexis
Stuart Longland writes: > I can recall once squeezing (desktop) Linux onto a 100MB hard drive. > You wouldn't do that reasonably today. As a data point, the Core Project provides a FLTK/FLWM desktop Linux in a 15MB distro, and a 72MB 'CorePlus' distro providing a range of desktops, including Ope

Re: Data from a serial port

2014-10-06 Thread Ethan Rosenberg
On 10/05/2014 10:36 PM, Marty wrote: On 10/05/2014 03:50 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: root@meow:/home/ethan# chown ethan /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 ethan dialout 4, 64 Oct 4 23:00 /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# $cat /dev/ttyS0|tee -a scale.txt bash: /dev/t

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014, lee wrote: > Don Armstrong writes: > > Doesn't matter. It just has to be a block device that you can add as > > a physical volume to the volume group. > > Isn't a logical volume of a volume group "just" a block device? The > VMs have their LVs as block devices just fine. Sur

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > For instance, MUAs typically connect on port 587 (at least that is the > recommendation), while MTAs always use port 25. Additionally, MUAs > should always be validated with signon/password, to prevent the server > from becoming an open relay. 1: You would have to requir

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Don Armstrong writes: > On Sun, 05 Oct 2014, lee wrote: >> So it would have to be at least a partition? I don't have one free ... >> I could use the swap partition temporarily for something like that. > > Doesn't matter. It just has to be a block device that you can add as a > physical volume to

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Brian Candler writes: >> The volume group concept is for grouping the *disks*, so you can treat >> a group of disks with similar properties as a >> interchangeable. So it makes more sense to have volume groups for >> e.g. "15krpm" and "SSD". Or you can just have one big volume group, >> which m

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > Those who think Exim is easy to configure for a secure system don't > understand it. Exim is very easy to configure. Did you ever try to configure sendmail? -- Hallowed are the Debians! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subjec

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: >>dc_relay_nets >> A list of machines for which we serve as smarthost. >> >> That looks ideal, doesn't it? >> >> > > Right. But he's not running multiple MTAs - he only has the one, as he > already indicated. Does it make a difference for this setting whet

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Harry Putnam writes: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> The first question - why do you think you need to relay to other >> networks, even if they're your own? Do you have other SMTP servers >> running on those networks? > > Good question and apparently thee is no reason. It stemmed from a deep > se

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread lee
Jerry Stuckle writes: > You are only making the setup more complicated. You generally only need > one MTA on the network. When you don't have an MTA on every machine, then how do you make sure that messages generated there (e. g. by cron jobs) can be delivered? -- Hallowed are the Debians!

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread davidson
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts all had something in common, and it was *not* swearwords or gratuitous personal insults. I replied to the list on S

Suggested Openbox hotkey functions

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Everyone has a different way of working, so your hotkeys will probably be different than mine, but systemd here's a list of Openbox functions I think *should* be hotkeyed: Desktop left Desktop right Identify this desktop Exec Dmenu client-list-combined-menu root-menu GoToDesktop # Close W

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Montag, 6. Oktober 2014, 17:42:14 schrieb Steve Litt: > Hi all, > > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, > as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts all had > something in common, and it was *not* swearwords or gratuitous > personal insults.

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Steve Litt wrote: > Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, > as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. Threads which are off topic for debian-user may be filtered out by listmas...@lists.debian.org, regardless of the viewpoint which is ex

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:50:54 -0700 Go Linux wrote: > > > On Mon, 10/6/14, Steve Litt wrote: > > Subject: Moderated posts? > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 4:42 PM > > Hi all, > > Several of my posts to lists.

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread John Hasler
Moderating the list would require that the listmasters read every post (or at least every post from a subset of subscribers) and approve those they deem ok. It's not bloody likely that any of them care enough to bother. They have better things to do with their time. It's hard enough to get their

Re: Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Go Linux
On Mon, 10/6/14, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Moderated posts? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, October 6, 2014, 4:42 PM Hi all, Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, as defined by both my inbox and t

Moderated posts?

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Several of my posts to lists.debian.org have not made it to the list, as defined by both my inbox and the list archive. These posts all had something in common, and it was *not* swearwords or gratuitous personal insults. So if you've seen some of your posts not be posted, be aware that so

Re: XFCE icons disappeared on Jessie

2014-10-06 Thread Jape Person
On 10/06/2014 03:02 PM, Ximo wrote: Hello, After a Jessie update icons of same themes disappeared on XFCE 4.10. On XFCE Settings > Appearance > Icons I've tried GNOME, HighContrast and Tango. The only that works is HighContrast. Maybe it's a problem with libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0, but I'm not sure.

Re: Installer with LVM - allocate only a percentage of space

2014-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014, Brian Candler wrote: > "I have a 500GB disk. Set it up with LVM. Allocate 20% of it now, dividing > it up the same way you would a 100GB disk. Leave the rest free for me to > decide what to do with later" > > ... can be achieved by answering just one extra question. > > Is th

Re: Software version issue

2014-10-06 Thread Michael Grant
Peter, Try adding back-ports to your /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main and then run apt-get update and then try updating gimp and see if it updates it. I did not check specifically for gimp, but if there is no newer version of gimp in backports, you

Re: lvm: creating a snapshot

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Candler
The volume group concept is for grouping the *disks*, so you can treat a group of disks with similar properties as a interchangeable. So it makes more sense to have volume groups for e.g. "15krpm" and "SSD". Or you can just have one big volume group, which makes disk upgrades seamless. And rem

Installer with LVM - allocate only a percentage of space

2014-10-06 Thread Brian Candler
I tried raising this on debian-boot, but there doesn't seem to be any interest in discussing it there. In the current Debian installer[1], if you select Guided Partitioning with LVM, the entire disk is immediately allocated for filesystems and swap. Therefore you cannot create new logical volu

Re: Software version issue

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 11:43:53 -0700 PETER ZOELLER wrote: > > > Hi: > > I have been using Debian for sometime and am happy with the > distribution. However I recently experienced a problem with the Gimp > supplied by Debian and contacted the Gimp organization with the issue > I was having. I

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 15:38:33 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > > That's very interesting - because I don't have any networks specified > in any dc_relay_nets - yet my email goes out (and comes in) just fine. > Indeed. My server isn't listening on 587, and my MUAs all use 25. One might suppose

Re: logrotate problem

2014-10-06 Thread Michael Grant
I think I've tracked this down to rsyslogd being updated a few days ago and it not restarting. So I tried to restart it by hand with /etc/init.d/rsyslogd restart but it failed to stop. So trying to understand why it didn't stop, I tried running start-stop-daemon manually and here's what I see: #

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 2:41 PM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:06:57 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > >> >> That's true - but he has ONLY ONE MTA ON HIS NETWORK. So there are no >> other hosts to relay for. > > You only need one Internet-facing MTA. It's normal for Windows hosts > not to have an MT

Re: Problems with FAT32

2014-10-06 Thread Stuart Longland
On 07/10/14 05:19, Mr Smiley wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a Fortec Passion Plus satellite receiver that records to a > external USB hard disk using the FAT32 file system. […] > If I create/copy a file using windows, it works every time. > > But if I create/ copy a file using Debian or any Linux di

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Stuart Longland
On 06/10/14 22:38, Richard Owlett wrote: >>>2. Squeeze LTS with Gnome2 - I like it and believe he will like its >>> human interface. >>>3. Wheezy with KDE - Wheezy is more uptodate and I suspect would want >>> some KDE specific applications. >> >> Have you had a look at XFCE? > > Yes, but

Problems with FAT32

2014-10-06 Thread Mr Smiley
Hi all, I have a Fortec Passion Plus satellite receiver that records to a external USB hard disk using the FAT32 file system. It has a known problem of sometimes coming up with a 'Not FAT32' file system. The solution is to connect the drive to a windows computer and create/copy or delete a

Re: logrotate problem

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:51:38 +0100 Michael Grant wrote: > When logrotate fired this month, almost all of my logs remain at zero > length and the .1 log continues to grow. For example: > > ls -l /var/log > ... > -rw-r- 1 root adm 0 Oct 5 06:25 messages > -rw-r- 1 root

Software Version Issue

2014-10-06 Thread PETER ZOELLER
Hi: I have been using Debian for sometime and am happy with the distribution. However I recently experienced a problem with the Gimp supplied by Debian and contacted the Gimp organization with the issue I was having. I subsequently discovered through this contact that the version of Gimp s

XFCE icons disappeared on Jessie

2014-10-06 Thread Ximo
Hello, After a Jessie update icons of same themes disappeared on XFCE 4.10. On XFCE Settings > Appearance > Icons I've tried GNOME, HighContrast and Tango. The only that works is HighContrast. Maybe it's a problem with libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0, but I'm not sure. Could you help me, please? Thanks.

Software version issue

2014-10-06 Thread PETER ZOELLER
Hi: I have been using Debian for sometime and am happy with the distribution. However I recently experienced a problem with the Gimp supplied by Debian and contacted the Gimp organization with the issue I was having. I subsequently discovered through this contact that the version of Gimp s

logrotate problem

2014-10-06 Thread Michael Grant
When logrotate fired this month, almost all of my logs remain at zero length and the .1 log continues to grow. For example: ls -l /var/log ... -rw-r- 1 root adm 0 Oct 5 06:25 messages -rw-r- 1 root adm 4938 Oct 6 06:56 messages.1 ... -rw-r- 1 root ad

Re: XFCE4 Power Manager Brightness Panel Plugin

2014-10-06 Thread Jape Person
On 10/06/2014 10:49 AM, Lars Noodén wrote: I've got xfce4-power-manager 1.4.1-1 in xfce4 on jessie and would like to find a way to dim the LCD backlight. I'm not seeing a brightness panel anywhere like this one: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/brightness nor does the back

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 14:06:57 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > That's true - but he has ONLY ONE MTA ON HIS NETWORK. So there are no > other hosts to relay for. You only need one Internet-facing MTA. It's normal for Windows hosts not to have an MTA at all, and it's common for MTAs on Linux hosts

Re: upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread Erwan David
Le 06/10/2014 20:03, Martin Read a écrit : > On 06/10/14 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: >> Oh Geez, I thought Plymouth was only an Ubuntu thing. Getting >> away from plymouth was about 40% of why I moved from Ubuntu to Debian. > > Conveniently, plymouth is optional in Debian, unless you're using > upstar

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 1:06 PM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 11:05:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 10:25 AM, Brian wrote: >>> On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:04:14 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 10/5/2014 11:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Good point. Just to be pedantic

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 1:07 PM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 11:01:16 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 10:26 AM, Brian wrote: >>> On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:09:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> BTW - what's wrong with just using your ISP's MTA? There are definite advantages -

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 1:10 PM, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:01:16 -0400 > Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > >> >> Then why are you suggesting he set up dc_relay_nets? > > The advantages and disadvantages of using a local network smarthost are > neither here nor there, and depend entirely on circumstances

Re: upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/10/14 18:45, Steve Litt wrote: Oh Geez, I thought Plymouth was only an Ubuntu thing. Getting away from plymouth was about 40% of why I moved from Ubuntu to Debian. Conveniently, plymouth is optional in Debian, unless you're using upstart or docker.io. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debia

Re: upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 12:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens wrote: > I would uninstall plymouth and then try again. If you succeed, you > can try re-installing plymouth later on, if you really want it. > > -Rob Oh Geez, I thought Plymouth was only an Ubuntu thing. Getting away from plymouth was about 40

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:21:48 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 06:04:35PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > Argument from Repetition with an undertone of Argument from > > Authority and lightly seasoned with misdirection. I've not seen > > that in a long time. It's enough to make grown

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:28:11 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: > > Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think > > default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small > > to possibly an extreme. > > And you're con

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 06:04:35PM +0100, Brian wrote: > Argument from Repetition with an undertone of Argument from Authority > and lightly seasoned with misdirection. I've not seen that in a long > time. It's enough to make grown men weep. To be fair, neither of the posters in this sub-thread ar

Re: Wifi works again. Should I post bug reports?

2014-10-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 01:40:23 + (UTC) Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, 08 Sep 2014 22:13:52 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > After the last time I did a routine safe-upgrade in jessie, my ASUS > > 1000HE no longer connects to wifi after a reboot and login. > > Presumably something is wrong with t

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Joe
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:01:16 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > Then why are you suggesting he set up dc_relay_nets? The advantages and disadvantages of using a local network smarthost are neither here nor there, and depend entirely on circumstances and preference. *If* exim4 is being used as a

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 11:01:16 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/6/2014 10:26 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:09:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > >> BTW - what's wrong with just using your ISP's MTA? There are definite > >> advantages - like not having Port 25 blocked by your

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 11:05:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/6/2014 10:25 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:04:14 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > >> On 10/5/2014 11:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>> > >>> Good point. Just to be pedantic all MTAs act as relays, but I think th

SystemD Testimonails

2014-10-06 Thread ConcernedCitizens ForChance
Some testimonials have been taken from those who've had a run in with systemd Take a moment and have a listen to their story. youtu.be/LMqbeE84ANY (Additional info: They graciously agreed to CC0 licensing) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 10:58:59 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/6/2014 10:25 AM, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:06:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > > >> And there are people who think that setting up an MTA correctly is easy, > >> and then turn around and prove they have no idea w

Re: Two Z Shells

2014-10-06 Thread Bob McGowan
On 10/3/14, 6:31 PM, "John Aten" wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >Hi all, > >I just installed z shell through: > >#apt-get install zsh zsh-doc > >Before installing, I looked for it with which and whereis. I got nothing >from which, (it now lists /usr/bin/zsh) and when I typed whereis zsh

Re: libreoffice packaging dependency on gnome in Wheezy 7.6

2014-10-06 Thread Martin Read
On 06/10/14 16:01, Buchs, Kevin J. wrote: I have both libreoffice and libreoffice4.2 installed. I just want to keep the 4.2 version, but when I try to apt-get remove libreoffice, it wants to remove gnome. Why is gnome dependent upon libreoffice? Gnome doesn't depend on libreoffice. What's happ

Re: upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "To Ja" > > Hi All, > Just tried to upgrade my simple LAMP box from Wheezy to Jessie, but this > error prevents whole process > > root@xxx:~# apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state infor

Re: root account inaccessible, was 'login problems on change of default shell'

2014-10-06 Thread John Aten
On Oct 5, 2014, at 8:10 PM, William Unruh wrote: > Log on as oot. the system does not care what the name is. All it cares > about is the uid (0) You could call uid 0 donduck and your system would > not care, as long as you used that name to log on. > Of course this does not mean you should leave

Re: upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread Jimmy Johnson
To Ja wrote: Hi All, Just tried to upgrade my simple LAMP box from Wheezy to Jessie, but this error prevents whole process root@xxx:~# apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The

libreoffice packaging dependency on gnome in Wheezy 7.6

2014-10-06 Thread Buchs, Kevin J.
I have both libreoffice and libreoffice4.2 installed. I just want to keep the 4.2 version, but when I try to apt-get remove libreoffice, it wants to remove gnome. Why is gnome dependent upon libreoffice? -- Kevin Buchs Research Computer Services Phone: 507-538-5459 Mayo Clinic 200 1st. St

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 10:25 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:04:14 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/5/2014 11:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: >>> >>> Good point. Just to be pedantic all MTAs act as relays, but I think the >>> term being talked about is "open relay" IOW it's "open" for anybod

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 10:26 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:09:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 5:41 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: >>> Joel Rees writes: >>> > So they would all be sending mail by way of server host. > > I guess that is not what is meant by relaying?

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 10:25 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:06:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> On 10/6/2014 8:05 AM, Brian wrote: >>> >>> Note that the OP is going to have something like 192.168.2.0/24 for >>> dc_relay_nets. Even if exim was listening on an external interface (an >>> empty

Re: hdmi video output

2014-10-06 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Mon, 6 Oct 2014, Darac Marjal wrote: The easiest option is probably to boot with only the HDMI connected. Auto-detection should then mean that output must go there. Alternatively, if you want to change the display on the fly, use the "xrandr" command. For example, to stop outputting to the VG

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small to possibly an extreme. And you're considering _KDE_?! *NOT* for _my_ personal system

XFCE4 Power Manager Brightness Panel Plugin

2014-10-06 Thread Lars Noodén
I've got xfce4-power-manager 1.4.1-1 in xfce4 on jessie and would like to find a way to dim the LCD backlight. I'm not seeing a brightness panel anywhere like this one: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/brightness nor does the backlight respond to the usual shortcut keys f

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:09:42 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/6/2014 5:41 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > > Joel Rees writes: > > > >>> So they would all be sending mail by way of server host. > >>> > >>> I guess that is not what is meant by relaying? > >> > >> I think that's relaying, but not op

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:06:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/6/2014 8:05 AM, Brian wrote: > > > > Note that the OP is going to have something like 192.168.2.0/24 for > > dc_relay_nets. Even if exim was listening on an external interface (an > > empty dc_local_interfaces) exim is not set up

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 09:04:14 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 10/5/2014 11:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Good point. Just to be pedantic all MTAs act as relays, but I think the > > term being talked about is "open relay" IOW it's "open" for anybody to > > use, spammers, guy next door et

Re: (Song) Fk SystemD

2014-10-06 Thread berenger . morel
Le 06.10.2014 13:17, Gregory Smith a écrit : What is needed is inaction, Huh I'm not a systemd lover, you know, but what you just wrote is weird! Seriously, I have so many problems at work because people never even tries to make code more readable, more secured, because "inaction is bett

Re: (Song) Fk SystemD

2014-10-06 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 12:03:28PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 04.10.2014 18:49, Tom Collins a écrit : > >F*ck Lennart Poettering. > > I have nothing against boys which love boys, but,should you really > speak about that kind of preferences on an OS distribution us

licence issue on gnome-system-monitor

2014-10-06 Thread lumin
Package: gnome-system-monitor Version: 3.14.0-1 Description: The 'About' information of gnome-system-monitor has a issue, the 'Licence' section only shows a line :"GPL 2+". This is not a usual case I think. Usually I would see many words describing GPL. I don't know if this can be called a BUG. T

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 06 October 2014 13:38:45 Richard Owlett wrote: > Yes, but not for this project. I'm from the CPM-80 era and think > default Linux installs are just *TOO* big and want to carry small > to possibly an extreme. And you're considering _KDE_?! Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-

wifi password problem solved, or at least, worked around.

2014-10-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:28:35 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Near the beginning of September, I reported suddenly being unable to > connect to wifi in coffee shops. Around the same time, I has done a > routine upgrade to my jessie system; I do this every week or two. > > Everything had been working

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 5:41 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Joel Rees writes: > >>> So they would all be sending mail by way of server host. >>> >>> I guess that is not what is meant by relaying? >> >> I think that's relaying, but not open relay (if you get it set up right). >> >> But you should consider why you

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/6/2014 8:05 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 16:31:52 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 11:16:18PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: >>> >>> So they would all be sending mail by way of server host. >>> >>> I guess that is not what is meant by relaying? >> >> Good po

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/5/2014 11:31 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 11:16:18PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle writes: >> >>> The first question - why do you think you need to relay to other >>> networks, even if they're your own? Do you have other SMTP servers >>> running on thos

Re: Wifi works again. Should I post bug reports?

2014-10-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:35:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 06 oct 14, 01:40:23, Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >> Against network manager and wifi radar that they should warn the >> sysadmin on installation or upgrade that there will be a permissions >> problem, and what to do about it. Only a mo

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 10/5/2014 11:16 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: > Jerry Stuckle writes: > >> The first question - why do you think you need to relay to other >> networks, even if they're your own? Do you have other SMTP servers >> running on those networks? > > Good question and apparently thee is no reason. It st

Fvwm.... this actually didn't work........

2014-10-06 Thread Charlie
Further to my first post. I noticed I had an extra line under my ~/.fvwm/menudefs.hook: # # This is the Debian menu call as suggested by Vincent W Chen. # Debian Menu #

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Dom, 05 Out 2014, Harry Putnam wrote: when running `dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' I've run accross a few of the questions that are confusing to me... [snip] While this does not answer your questions directly, have you read the documentation for the Debian exim package? http://pkg-exim4

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Stuart Longland wrote: On 06/10/14 21:11, Richard Owlett wrote: I intend to set it up as multi-boot: 1. whatever Windows is on it 2. Squeeze LTS with Gnome2 - I like it and believe he will like its human interface. 3. Wheezy with KDE - Wheezy is more uptodate and I suspect would want so

Fvwm.... this actually didn't work........

2014-10-06 Thread Charlie
This actually didn't work in my ~/.fvwm/functions directory: # # This is the Debian menu call as suggested by Vincent W Chen. # Debian Menu # De

upgrade from 7 to testing no longer possible

2014-10-06 Thread To Ja
Hi All, Just tried to upgrade my simple LAMP box from Wheezy to Jessie, but this error prevents whole process root@xxx:~# apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packag

Re: Downloading sources from an unsigned intranet repository

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 21:13:17 +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > On 06/10/14 19:43, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Lu, 06 oct 14, 14:00:42, Stuart Longland wrote: > >> > > >> > Now for whatever reason, if I want to *install* those packages. No > >> > problem. It'll ask whether I wish to install the

Re: Newbie friendly security and firewall docs (cookbook?)

2014-10-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: On 10/06/2014 02:11 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: I'm looking for a reference document that wouldn't scare my friend off Debian and also give me the required information to: 1. close the maximum number of ports. I see him using browser, email, ftp file downloadi

Re: [exim4] mixed up about terminology

2014-10-06 Thread Brian
On Mon 06 Oct 2014 at 16:31:52 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 11:16:18PM -0400, Harry Putnam wrote: > > > > So they would all be sending mail by way of server host. > > > > I guess that is not what is meant by relaying? > > Good point. Just to be pedantic all MTAs act a

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