Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Slavko
Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:15:21 +0200 lee napísal: > AW writes: > > > I'm on the FOSS side. However, systemd is much better than > > sysvinit. > > In which way is systemd better than sysvinit? I am no a systemd fan and i don't like (want nor use) it. But i need to tell, that my understa

Re: Help request: intel-microcode and old Intel processors

2014-08-29 Thread Rusi Mody
On Saturday, August 30, 2014 5:50:02 AM UTC+5:30, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > I'd like to know whether the kernel microcode update is working well on some > > of the older Intel 32-bit processors or not. These computers were sol

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Joel Rees
(Sorry about the wild post. Googlemail's webmail has its useful stuff, but the clunkiness sure let's you hit buttons you weren't aiming at.) On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, AW wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > > "think system" > > Off topic... on topic... and u

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:05 AM, AW wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > > "think system" > > Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... > > systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever. > For > me... and leaving behind this useless ma

Re: Help request: intel-microcode and old Intel processors

2014-08-29 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 26 Aug 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > I'd like to know whether the kernel microcode update is working well on some > of the older Intel 32-bit processors or not. These computers were sold > between years 2000 and 2010. > > This information will be used to decide the level of m

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 08/28/2014 at 05:22 PM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 28 Aug 2014 at 21:25:37 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > >> it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd. > > I'll have to stop doing it then. Someone might explain to you what > has been explained

Re: shutdown hangs 4+ minutes at "Stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslog."

2014-08-29 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-29, Michael Biebl wrote: > But yeah, isn't it great if you can everything on systemd. > Systemd is wonderful. I made a "little" mistake. I'll shoot myself at dawn. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact

Re: Skype substitutes for current Debian?

2014-08-29 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Paul van der Vlis" > > > 3. Skype-compatible clients for D7++ which could be used to connect > > directly to an OP running that alternate service? > > > > I'm especially interested in evaluations of > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/skype > >> free and open s

Re: shutdown hangs 4+ minutes at "Stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslog."

2014-08-29 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 29.08.2014 10:24, schrieb Curt: > On 2014-08-29, Devrin Talen wrote: > >> Since it's related to the /etc/rc0.d scripts, maybe start with a bug >> against the sysv-rc package? >> >> $ dpkg --search /etc/rc0.d/ >> sysv-rc: /etc/rc0.d >> >> You can check if your bug is already there (a qu

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Joe
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400 AW wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > > "think system" > > Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... > > systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. > Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:05:58 -0400 AW wrote: > Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... > > systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. > Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too > much spam. > > Take it as you like. However, I'm out. I n

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread lee
AW writes: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:25:37 +0200 > Erwan David wrote: > > > it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep a debian without systemd. > > $man systemd That man page sucks. -- Knowledge is volatile and fluid. Software is power. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org wi

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread lee
AW writes: > I'm on the FOSS side. However, systemd is much better than sysvinit. In which way is systemd better than sysvinit? Is it more modular than sysvinit? Does it require less memory? These are some points mentioned in one of the documents you're referring to[1]. Is it easier to use?

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread lee
"Andrew M.A. Cater" writes: > Accept also that even those who disagree with systemd philosophically > are still prepared to work within the system to produce the best Debian > they can - working on things lke how to get all of the architectures > and the BSD variant kernels to at least co-operat

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread AW
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014 02:10:28 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > "think system" Off topic... on topic... and unthinking... systemd has already won. Fork sysvinit or don't. End of comment. Forever. For me... and leaving behind this useless mailing list -- too much spam. Take it as you like. However, I

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Joel Rees
(Sorry, Lisi. This goes beyond losing or winning gracefully.) On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 8:21 AM, AW wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:45:12 +0900 > Joel Rees wrote: > > > Are you a sockpuppet arguing ironically? If so, which side do you > > support? Microsoft? > > I guess you're not interested in

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:53:44 -0500 "Martin G. McCormick" wrote: > That worked like a charm as far as I can tell. Thanks to > both posters. I actually used the wrong module name for Card 1 > and what happened was that the system came up after a boot only > showing Card 0 and no Card 1 at all

Re: [OT] Re: Fonts providing emojis?

2014-08-29 Thread Rusi Mody
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:30:02 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > Chris Bannister writes: > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 09:26:01AM +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > > > > on Ottoman turkish (arabic writing - btw ancient

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Martin G. McCormick
Raffaele Morelli writes: > drop a custom module config in /etc/modprobe.d/ > eg. /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf > > and use options/index parameters That worked like a charm as far as I can tell. Thanks to both posters. I actually used the wrong module name for Card 1 and what happened was tha

Re: shutdown hangs 4+ minutes at "Stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslog."

2014-08-29 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-29, Curt wrote: > > Looks rather like this bug (maybe samba, maybe systemd in its troubled > relationship to samba or sumthin'). > Forgot the bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=739887 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: Re: Fonts providing emojis?

2014-08-29 Thread Daniel Hahler
> On Wed, 2014-03-19 at 00:48 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > > These characters do seem to be > > > increasingly widely used. > > > > Agreed. I "guess" you're asking "why is the font not in the Debian > > repository?" > > > > Are their license issues? That would be my first though when > > cons

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Raffaele Morelli
2014-08-29 15:38 GMT+02:00 Martin G. McCormick < mar...@server1.shellworld.net>: > If one searches for debian+multiple+sound+cards, there > is a wilderness of somewhat confusing discussions and examples > as to how to configure asound.conf to insure that each card > comes up in the same or

Re: Domanda su systemd

2014-08-29 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Joel Rees writes: > 2014/08/29 21:21 "Gian Uberto Lauri" : > > > > Joel Rees writes: > > > Heh. Some advantages to using Google mail in a web browser with > > > javascript (ick) enabled. > > > > Sorry. Macro malfunction in Emacs and address manually retyped. > > > > Blame the macro for t

Re: the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 08:38:59 -0500 "Martin G. McCormick" wrote: > Since the two sound cards are different in every way but > their function, anything that differentiates one from the other > should cause a predictable result every time. You have to fix that yourself into etc/modprobe.d/(le

the Mysteries of asound.conf

2014-08-29 Thread Martin G. McCormick
If one searches for debian+multiple+sound+cards, there is a wilderness of somewhat confusing discussions and examples as to how to configure asound.conf to insure that each card comes up in the same order. I have two older Dells, each with the stock CS423X sound chip on the mother board and

Re: audio/video sputtering

2014-08-29 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 8/29/14, Ric Moore wrote: > I had this problem with Jessie and updated to sid. Nothing fixed it. It > went into the ditch about the time I was messing around with tmpfs, > following some of the advice from a thread a couple of weeks ago. What I > am planning to do is a FRESH install to sid. It'

Re: UEFI Secure Boot and enabling W8/Linux dual boot - some links/refs

2014-08-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:51:19 +0100 Ron Leach wrote: > 3. a Use a 'trusted' bootloader, such as: > > http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/20303.html > > or > > 3. b Disable 'Secure Boot', which has to be done from within Windows, > not from a cold boot into BIOS: > > http://itsfoss.com/disable-uefi-

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-29 Thread Lisi Reisz
People might find it instructive to read Mark Shuttleworth's offering - particularly the title: "Losing graciously". http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 Lisi On Friday 29 August 2014 00:09:44 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 05:51:13PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On

Re: systemd killing sshd

2014-08-29 Thread Iain M Conochie
Does anyone have any idea why systemd wants to stop ssh after it has started? After I run: Sounds like https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756547 Caused by the ifupdown hook /etc/network/if-up.d/openssh-server rapidly restarting the ssh service (if you have multiple interfaces)

Re: Domanda su systemd

2014-08-29 Thread Joel Rees
2014/08/29 21:21 "Gian Uberto Lauri" : > > Joel Rees writes: > > Heh. Some advantages to using Google mail in a web browser with > > javascript (ick) enabled. > > Sorry. Macro malfunction in Emacs and address manually retyped. > > Blame the macro for the malfunction, the address error... PEBCAK!

Re: systemd killing sshd

2014-08-29 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 29.08.2014 14:08, schrieb Iain M Conochie: > I just updated my jessie box, and noticed ssh was no longer running: > > systemctl status ssh > ssh.service - OpenBSD Secure Shell server > Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service; enabled) > Active: failed (Result: start-limit) since Fri 201

systemd killing sshd

2014-08-29 Thread Iain M Conochie
I just updated my jessie box, and noticed ssh was no longer running: systemctl status ssh ssh.service - OpenBSD Secure Shell server Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service; enabled) Active: failed (Result: start-limit) since Fri 2014-08-29 10:33:29 BST; 2h 25min ago Main PID: 16698 (cod

Re: Domanda su systemd

2014-08-29 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Joel Rees writes: > Heh. Some advantages to using Google mail in a web browser with > javascript (ick) enabled. Sorry. Macro malfunction in Emacs and address manually retyped. Blame the macro for the malfunction, the address error... PEBCAK! -- /\ ___

Re: Domanda su systemd

2014-08-29 Thread Joel Rees
Heh. Some advantages to using Google mail in a web browser with javascript (ick) enabled. 2014-08-29 13:48 GMT+09:00 Gian Uberto Lauri : > Sorry, address error. > -- > Gian Uberto Lauri > Messaggio inviato da un tablet Mi sono divertito, anche se sarebbe un po 'incendiaria da tradurre in questo m

UEFI Secure Boot and enabling W8/Linux dual boot - some links/refs

2014-08-29 Thread Ron Leach
Here are some links to articles discussing UEFI's secure Boot and some implications for configuring a dual-boot Windows 8 & Linux system. 1. What is the UEFI Secure Boot loading process? http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows8_1-security/uefi-secure-boot-in-windows-81/65d74e19

audio/video sputtering

2014-08-29 Thread Ric Moore
I had this problem with Jessie and updated to sid. Nothing fixed it. It went into the ditch about the time I was messing around with tmpfs, following some of the advice from a thread a couple of weeks ago. What I am planning to do is a FRESH install to sid. It's drastic, but the sputtering (Thi

Re: shutdown hangs 4+ minutes at "Stopping enhanced syslogd: rsyslog."

2014-08-29 Thread Curt
On 2014-08-29, Devrin Talen wrote: > Since it's related to the /etc/rc0.d scripts, maybe start with a bug > against the sysv-rc package? > > $ dpkg --search /etc/rc0.d/ > sysv-rc: /etc/rc0.d > > You can check if your bug is already there (a quick search didn't show > anything): > Looks r