Re: Screenshots under flash

2013-10-30 Thread Jeff Bauer
On 10/29/2013 12:37 PM, Frank McCormick wrote: I hae been trying to capture on-screen flash pics using ImageMagicks Import command. But on some sites if flash is used to display the pics, all I get is a black screen. I have tried adding -display:0 to the import command but so far no luck. An

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 07:21:19 +1100 Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:10:46 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent > this: > > >I would say that the repeated assertions of 'problems' with > >Debian and the explanation that it doesn't "follow the guidelines" and > >"falls short" constitute

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:19:32 +0400 Reco wrote: > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:40:27AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:17:32 +1100 > > Charlie wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:59:10 +0400 "Reco recovery...@gmail.com" sent > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Oct 29,

RE: preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread TRAN, JOHN
Yes, that's absolutely correct. Thank you for clarifying that. That's too bad if there isn't any way to vlan tag the nic during netinstall mini.iso. Instead I'll have to create a full blown custom.iso that would be much bigger and install locally, and then post_install to configure the vlan

Re: preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Proulx
TRAN, JOHN wrote: > I apologize I wasn't clearer about the preseed but I am injecting > that into the ISO file so I don't need to get that over tftp. Good! That definitely makes that part easier. And then there are also no restrictions about what can be preseeded. > I need the network connectiv

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Le 30/10/2013 23:21, Beco a écrit : > On 30 October 2013 19:10, François Patte > wrote: >> Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : >> >> AdbeRdr9.4.2-1_i486linux_fra.rpm is for architecture i386 ; the package >> cannot be built on this system >> >> > > Hi François, > > What is the exact command you

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:34, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 19:28, wrote: I think the kind of information he want is, for example, the software's name. Or the software's role. Exactly! If it is ADOBE READER (I'm guessing), in this site http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/ You get to cho

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Beco
On 30 October 2013 19:28, wrote: > I think the kind of information he want is, for example, the software's > name. Or the software's role. Exactly! If it is ADOBE READER (I'm guessing), in this site http://get.adobe.com/reader/otherversions/ You get to choose operational system, language and

Re: preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 04:08:38PM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: TRAN, JOHN wrote: I'm attempting to do a preseeded netinstall using mini.iso. In general, is it possible to do a netinstall if your network is vlan tagged? A VLAN is a Virtual LAN. A Virtual LAN is a way to group hosts together onto

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Le 30/10/2013 23:23, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : > > > Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : >> Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : >>> On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte >>> wrote: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm

RE: preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread TRAN, JOHN
I apologize I wasn't clearer about the preseed but I am injecting that into the ISO file so I don't need to get that over tftp. I need the network connectivity for the rest of the install. I don't have control of the network, I just know that I need to vlan tag a network interface otherwise I

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:07, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 20:27, Bob Proulx a écrit : François Patte wrote: Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be installed.

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Beco
On 30 October 2013 19:10, François Patte wrote: > Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : > > AdbeRdr9.4.2-1_i486linux_fra.rpm is for architecture i386 ; the package > cannot be built on this system > > Hi François, What is the exact command you issued? On a first check, I think maybe there is a pr

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Proulx
François Patte wrote: > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > François Patte wrote: > >> Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package > >> built for a 32bits platform. > >> > >> I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be > >> installed. > > > > You still haven

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : > On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte > wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package >> built for a 32bits platform. >> >> I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be >> installed. >

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Le 30/10/2013 20:27, Bob Proulx a écrit : > François Patte wrote: >> Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package >> built for a 32bits platform. >> >> I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be >> installed. > > You still haven't answered my ques

Re: preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Proulx
TRAN, JOHN wrote: > I'm attempting to do a preseeded netinstall using mini.iso. In > general, is it possible to do a netinstall if your network is vlan > tagged? A VLAN is a Virtual LAN. A Virtual LAN is a way to group hosts together onto a common network even though their locations may be physi

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Beco
On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package > built for a 32bits platform. > > I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be > installed. > > Thank you. Hi Fraçois, You just want to r

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Le 30/10/2013 22:46, Dmitrii Kashin a écrit : > François Patte writes: > >> Bonjour, >> >> Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package >> built for a 32bits platform. > > There's no way to *build* amd64 package from any another non-source > package. But you could *rep

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
François Patte writes: > Bonjour, > > Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package > built for a 32bits platform. There's no way to *build* amd64 package from any another non-source package. But you could *repack* .rpm package into .deb one using alien. But if it was n

preseed netinstall vlan network

2013-10-30 Thread TRAN, JOHN
I'm attempting to do a preseeded netinstall using mini.iso. In general, is it possible to do a netinstall if your network is vlan tagged? I have found a thread in which describes how it hypothetically is possible with manual intervention. I would appreciate any further information on how this mi

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 19:53, Reco a écrit : Yet, Linux kernel is not written in pure K&R C. Linux kernel is written with GCC in mind, and actively uses GCC's extensions to C89 (or C99, memory fails me) standard. So I apologize. I won't even try, since even with the GNU tools given by the gentoo ins

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:10:46 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >I would say that the repeated assertions of 'problems' with >Debian and the explanation that it doesn't "follow the guidelines" and >"falls short" constitutes discouragement. > >Celejar I don't actually see it as a dis

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 09:32:39 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > >Do not install GRUB for the new install. Run update-grub from whatever > >you do boot into. > > Thought I had tried that. Got a couple of installs to do today. I'll > try it. Thanks. Perhaps it would be less work t

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread Bob Proulx
François Patte wrote: > Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package > built for a 32bits platform. > > I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be > installed. You still haven't answered my question concerning this in the other thread. What is t

Re: Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1

2013-10-30 Thread Sureyya Sahin
I want to update the thread; my computer clicked again (with a strange beep noise) while shutting down. I am still using Debian Wheezy Xfce, with gvfs removed. Thus, I can confirm that gvfs is not the real cause of the problem. The only applications open were VLC and my web browser. I am not s

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Reco
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:40:27AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:17:32 +1100 > Charlie wrote: > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:59:10 +0400 "Reco recovery...@gmail.com" sent > > this: > > > > > > > >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:25:06PM -0400, Doug wrote: > > >> I think these FSF guys

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Richard Owlett
Brian wrote: On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 08:55:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: QUESTION_TWO: Is there an automatic way for the Grub menu to display the associated partition label instead of the kernel id? the partition designation (sda1 ... sda8 etc) would be minimally acceptable. Automating the me

How to stop Jessie laptop from suspending when on power?

2013-10-30 Thread Bart-Jan Vrielink
Hello, Since a few weeks, my laptop goes into suspend/sleep mode after a certain amount of inactivity, despite having "Dont' suspend" in the power settings. What system does trigger those suspend calls and how can I stop that? This is very annoying, as it breaks each and every network connectio

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Reco
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 07:17:41PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 30.10.2013 18:44, Curt a écrit : > > Good. You did not forgot the "GNU" before "make". It simply means > that there are a lot of "make" tools. And you know what? > > Wikipedia > >POSIX includes standardizati

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Doug
On 10/30/2013 01:19 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote: > On 10/30/2013 08:10 AM, Celejar wrote: >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 >> Charlie wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent >>> this: >>> >>> >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 08:55:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > QUESTION_TWO: > Is there an automatic way for the Grub menu to display the > associated partition label instead of the kernel id? the partition > designation (sda1 ... sda8 etc) would be minimally acceptable. Automating the menu displa

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Philipp Born wrote: > Am Mi 30 Okt 2013 12:19:49 CET schrieb Colin: > >On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Philipp Born wrote: > >>we're looking for something a bit WSUS-like for Debian (and Ubuntu) to roll > >>out updates etc on our Debian- and Ubuntu-based infrastructure. We'

alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread François Patte
Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be installed. Thank you. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Universit

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I've wondered about this or something similar. Has anyone tried having each OS install their grub to their partition, rather than the MBR — and then having a separate grub configuration that installs onto the MBR which lets you chain-load each of the partitions (or LVs or whatever?) My thinking is

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 18:44, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-30, Conrad Nelson wrote: 4. The FSF is irrelevant to the development of Linux itself. Linux isn't even a GNU-based project. It simply makes use of the GNU toolchain (And even that's not a requirement.) How would the linux kernel be developed

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Dmitrii Kashin
Doug writes: > I think these FSF guys are nuts! They are definitely /not/ for > freedom--they would, if they could, prohibit people and Linux > distros from including software that people want, and in many, if > not most, cases, need. Bah! If people want to use some software, it does not mean th

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 18:00, Conrad Nelson a écrit : So far I've read nothing but bad advice for the OP in this thread. Oh? So, do you have any feedback about mozilla OS? Does it really works so bad? I'm interested, I have never seen any, but must admit that I hope that it'll be different from other

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Curt
On 2013-10-30, Conrad Nelson wrote: > 4. The FSF is irrelevant to the development of Linux itself. Linux isn't > even a GNU-based project. It simply makes use of the GNU toolchain (And > even that's not a requirement.) How would the linux kernel be developed without the gnu development tools?

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Frank McCormick
On 30/10/13 10:16 AM, Brian wrote: On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 08:55:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The combination of running the Debian Installer with as many defaults as possible and Grub2 being automatically installed each time results in two annoying characteristics. ONE: On boot, the the last

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 30 October 2013 16:45:18 Darac Marjal wrote: > Actually, it's possible to remap keys in the shell. How?? > I used to use a > dvorak keyboard with grub quite happily. Thanks, Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe".

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Conrad Nelson
On 10/30/2013 08:10 AM, Celejar wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 Charlie wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the right kind of nuts", *discourages* you from using Debia

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Conrad Nelson
On 10/29/2013 11:23 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-10-29 at 10:56 -0400, alex.pad...@laposte.net wrote: I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? http

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 04:58:13PM +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > [cut] > > > >Don't know if I'd call Grub2 bloated, but Grub-legacy was friendlier. > > In my own and humble opinion, and for my needs, it is. > I do not hate grub, since when you do not have complex needs it > wor

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 16:58, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : which does not happen in stable Debian (the one officially recommended for users). Error from myself, sorry, it happens in stable too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 15:48, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 30.10.2013 14:55, Richard Owlett a écrit : I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as p

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Neal Murphy
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:48:55 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > Don't know if I'd call Grub2 bloated, but Grub-legacy was friendlier. Maybe not bloated, but grub2 was certainly broken the last time I tried it. Specifically, (1) when I installed a system using grub2, it would install on the fi

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Richard Owlett
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 30.10.2013 14:55, Richard Owlett a écrit : I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as possible whatever comes with some donated hardware

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Richard Owlett
Brian wrote: On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 08:55:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: The combination of running the Debian Installer with as many defaults as possible and Grub2 being automatically installed each time results in two annoying characteristics. ONE: On boot, the the last system installed will

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-30 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John wrote: > > Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over > init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency? > > Is it provoked by systemd's effort to be adopted having at least found > a home with gnome, made urgent by gnome'

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 14:55, Richard Owlett a écrit : I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as possible whatever comes with some donated hardware for the church's after school program

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Brian
On Wed 30 Oct 2013 at 08:55:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > The combination of running the Debian Installer with as many > defaults as possible and Grub2 being automatically installed each > time results in two annoying characteristics. > > ONE: > On boot, the the last system installed will be

Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread Richard Owlett
I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as possible whatever comes with some donated hardware for the church's after school program for pre-teens. The combination of running t

Re: Network Delay

2013-10-30 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Roman Gelfand wrote: > Looking at the tcp stream, below, of a smtp conversation, it appears > there is 5 second delay before the actual smtp conversation begins. > Is this normal behavior. If not, any ideas what/where specifically, > in networking, I shoul

Re: Network Delay

2013-10-30 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Roman Gelfand wrote: > Looking at the tcp stream, below, of a smtp conversation, it appears > there is 5 second delay before the actual smtp conversation begins. > Is this normal behavior. If not, any ideas what/where specifically, > in networking, I s

Re: wheezy first install

2013-10-30 Thread messmate
On 29/10/2013 23:16, Lisi Reisz wrote: One of these days I shall actually remember taht it is not safe to click "reply" on the Debian list. Sorry, John. :-( On Tuesday 29 October 2013 16:34:15 John Hasler wrote: GUI network manager such as NetworkManager. These don't always get along well

Network Delay

2013-10-30 Thread Roman Gelfand
Looking at the tcp stream, below, of a smtp conversation, it appears there is 5 second delay before the actual smtp conversation begins. Is this normal behavior. If not, any ideas what/where specifically, in networking, I should be troubleshooting? No change was done to the server or any other ma

Re: sluggish iceweasel

2013-10-30 Thread Joel Roth
Brad Rogers wrote: > Joel Roth wrote: > > Hello Joel, > > >`killall plugin-container` is often enough > Great tip, thanks. I'll try it out next time flash drags. FWIW, this was revealed to me by running top. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian

Re: Problem with halt

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 23:39, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski a écrit : On 29 October 2013 08:00, wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote: Recently I moved my home desktop from (x)Ubuntu to Debian Wheezy. The experience is positive, with one exception: shutdown doesn't stop power for my c

Re: wheezy first install

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 21:20, messmate a écrit : On 29/10/2013 17:34, John Hasler wrote: messmate writes: On the first run of the installation, no more internet connection !! I config it manually as always (eth0); ip gateway nameservers and so on. Whatever metapackage you used to install KDE probab

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:35:37 +1100 Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent > this: > > >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the right > kind of nuts", *discourages* you from using Debian. > > > >Celejar > > Not me. That

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 22:07, iijima yoshino a écrit : Explaining Why We Don't Endorse Other Systems http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html You can not be free, if you are following other's people definition for freedom. Debian allows me more choices than any GNU distribution, so it makes

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 21:55, John a écrit : Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency? Is it provoked by systemd's effort to be adopted having at least found a home with gnome, made urgent by gnome's status as our d

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Charlie
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 07:40:27 -0400 "Celejar cele...@gmail.com" sent this: >The point here is that the FSF, who you consider "the right kind of nuts", *discourages* you from using Debian. > >Celejar Not me. That might be your interpretation, it isn't mine. Charlie --

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread Philipp Born
On 29.10.2013 23:43, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote: On 29 October 2013 22:38, Rob Owens mailto:row...@ptd.net>> wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:52:30PM +0100, Philipp Born wrote: > Hi, > > we're looking for something a bit WSUS-like What is WSUS? From bit and pieces o

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread Philipp Born
Am Mi 30 Okt 2013 12:19:49 CET schrieb Colin: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Philipp Born wrote: Hi, we're looking for something a bit WSUS-like for Debian (and Ubuntu) to roll out updates etc on our Debian- and Ubuntu-based infrastructure. We've already tried Landscape (the licensing fe

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 17:17:32 +1100 Charlie wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 09:59:10 +0400 "Reco recovery...@gmail.com" sent > this: > > > > >On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:25:06PM -0400, Doug wrote: > >> I think these FSF guys are nuts! > > > >May be. But they are right kind of nuts in today's crazy

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 23:25, Neal Murphy a écrit : On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 05:48:20 PM Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 04:55:44PM -0400, John wrote: > Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over > init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread Colin
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Philipp Born wrote: > > Hi, > > we're looking for something a bit WSUS-like for Debian (and Ubuntu) to roll > out updates etc on our Debian- and Ubuntu-based infrastructure. We've already > tried Landscape (the licensing fees are not economically for us) and >

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 15:56, alex.pad...@laposte.net a écrit : Hello to all, I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? Does it exist a SMARTPHONE with a system DEBIAN GNU LINUX Thank you

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 03:51, ruckus rogue a écrit : On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM, wrote: They have been installed because zonecheck probably needs them ( required ) but if they are recommended by other packages then they will not be removed. I do not think there is any solution to fix that. If t

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 07:57, basti a écrit : On 29.10.2013 23:43, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote: What is WSUS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_Update_Services What is explained about WSUS on wikipedia seems to be far less powerful than what can be achieved by apt*. I read that link wh

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 30/10/2013 4:40 AM, ken wrote: > On 10/29/2013 12:26 PM Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>> >all the source code, develop things yourself, etc. >> Latest news, almost 2 years ago!!! > > I have to laugh at this kind of thinking. Some device can work > flawlessly, do exactly what you want. do it exactly

Re: sluggish iceweasel

2013-10-30 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:14:21 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: Hello Joel, >`killall plugin-container` is often enough Great tip, thanks. I'll try it out next time flash drags. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent" Two sides

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread iijima yoshino
在 2013-10-29二的 22:21 -0400,Celejar写道: > On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 19:41:55 -0400 > shawn wilson wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 20:48:54 -0200 > > > André Nunes Batista wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > >> phone users. But even in the case of trad

Re: sluggish iceweasel

2013-10-30 Thread Joel Roth
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 02:16:26PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:07:21 -0400 (EDT) > Stephen Powell wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > >I have been using the iceweasel web browser for years; but in the past > >several weeks using an up-to-date jessie system, iceweasel has become