find.
Does anyone have any configurations that work well with
log_analysis or have any tips on getting it to filter
SSH, sudo, etc..?
TIA,
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;t need to stick it in a separate machine.
Just get enough floppies and do the install over a network :)
The only way this would be insecure is if someone broke into the
machine you're installing from and you copied over bad files.
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on.. no matter what I put in the config file :(
-Anne
Mathias Palm grabbed a keyboard and typed...
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:15:12AM -0700, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > Hi Mathias,
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I send this one to the list again, I hope this is ok.
>
> >
> &g
ntd daemon or comment out the entry in inetd.conf
> > if you do it that way.
> >
> > Usually happens when you IRC, or some FTP sites check. Don't recall a
> > vulnerability for it.
> >
> > Andy.
> >
>
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ething
obvious.
TIA,
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ten to address these issues from
the ground up.
From what I remember, one of the biggest problems in SSH1 is that
it uses weak authentication for the packets. There are other problems
too, and the VUs issued by CERT only cover a portion of the issues.
-Anne
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ns or recommendations are also welcome.
Thanks,
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Noah L. Meyerhans grabbed a keyboard and typed...
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:35:05AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > Is there a way to define that I only want to use the unstable
> > packages just related to snort or do I have to change my entire
> > distribution to unstable?
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e and I are working on that), but
I digress..
Here is a link on why PPP over SSH is a bad idea:
http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html
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91 1
> debug3: tty_parse_modes: 92 0
> debug3: tty_parse_modes: 93 0
> debug1: server_input_channel_req: channel 0 request shell reply 0
> debug1: session_by_channel: session 0 channel 0
> debug1: session_input_channel_req: session 0 req shell
> debug1: PAM setting tty to "/dev/p
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et remove --purge openssh and reinstall it
after you get PAM working.
> is the ssh package young in the unstable branch ?
I haven't had any problems, but it is unstable after all ;)
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no matter
which group they're running. Why should it matter? Isn't this mailing
list called debian-security? Not debian-security-stable.
> Unstable is not just a name...
Neither is testing nor stable :)
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I can find.
Does anyone have any configurations that work well with
log_analysis or have any tips on getting it to filter
SSH, sudo, etc..?
TIA,
-Anne
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x27;t need to stick it in a separate machine.
Just get enough floppies and do the install over a network :)
The only way this would be insecure is if someone broke into the
machine you're installing from and you copied over bad files.
-Anne
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on.. no matter what I put in the config file :(
-Anne
Mathias Palm grabbed a keyboard and typed...
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:15:12AM -0700, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > Hi Mathias,
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I send this one to the list again, I hope this is ok.
>
> >
> &g
ntd daemon or comment out the entry in inetd.conf
> > if you do it that way.
> >
> > Usually happens when you IRC, or some FTP sites check. Don't recall a
> > vulnerability for it.
> >
> > Andy.
> >
>
>
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ething
obvious.
TIA,
-Anne
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ten to address these issues from
the ground up.
From what I remember, one of the biggest problems in SSH1 is that
it uses weak authentication for the packets. There are other problems
too, and the VUs issued by CERT only cover a portion of the issues.
-Anne
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ns or recommendations are also welcome.
Thanks,
-Anne
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(O/ O) \-' ` -=""
Noah L. Meyerhans grabbed a keyboard and typed...
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:35:05AM -0800, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > Is there a way to define that I only want to use the unstable
> > packages just related to snort or do I have to change my entire
> > distribution to unstable?
> SysAdmin at CAME (Center of Applied Molecular Engineering)
> University of Salzburg, Jakob-Haringerstrasse 5, A-5020 Salzburg
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ak in? None of my other services seem to have been probed, just
> ssh.
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks,
> > > >>Steve
> > > >>
> > > >>
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are this services enabled by default and
> for 'what' exactly do we need them ?
Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP,
and I'm not sure what discard is used for.
I usually turn off inetd completely. It helps makes things
quieter on a
essus scan :)
> Yes, this is good advice, and something that never occurs to most
> people. Most common services these days run quite happily in standalone
> mode, so there's often no reason to use inetd at all.
Given most everything can run through SSH or SSL (at least TCP
el "carstein" Melewski| "One day, he said, in a taped segment
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that suggested chemical interrogation,
> mobile: 502 545 913 | everything had gone gray."
> gpg: carstein.c.pl/carstein.txt
ED]");
*sigh*
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Debian does this when you do an apt-get, I believe.
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 12:13:46PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote:
> Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Compile from source is a good idea too. It's amazing what you
> > can find in the source. I found a couple of stupid Trojans
> > that way.
> >
);
> Yeh, and it's buggy too
> Take a close look at what really happens.
I'm sure it is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't exist. ;)
Seriously, I know it is. The other thing is, I use shadow most of the
time. Still, the username information is never a good thing to share.
-
chaos is
> prevented by something more substantial than a social convention.
>
> I have to admit that the social convention is working very well at the
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corrupted?
> Is passwd in Woody broken? How can I fix my broken root password without harming my
>system?
I hope not :(
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tion, but is content,
> for now, to only allow himself and one other to even have accounts on
> the box with the cleartext passwds)
Ugh.. I'd never be content with cleartext passwords, especially given
how many security solutions are around today.
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y other services seem to have been probed, just
> ssh.
> > > >>
> > > >>Thanks,
> > > >>Steve
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>--
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are this services enabled by default and
> for 'what' exactly do we need them ?
Well, daytime spits out the time of day, time is for NTP,
and I'm not sure what discard is used for.
I usually turn off inetd completely. It helps makes things
quieter on a
essus scan :)
> Yes, this is good advice, and something that never occurs to most
> people. Most common services these days run quite happily in standalone
> mode, so there's often no reason to use inetd at all.
Given most everything can run through SSH or SSL (at least TCP
el "carstein" Melewski| "One day, he said, in a taped segment
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | that suggested chemical interrogation,
> mobile: 502 545 913 | everything had gone gray."
> gpg: carstein.c.pl/carstein.txt
ED]");
*sigh*
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Debian does this when you do an apt-get, I believe.
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 12:13:46PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote:
> Anne Carasik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Compile from source is a good idea too. It's amazing what you
> > can find in the source. I found a couple of stupid Trojans
> > that way.
> >
> Yeh, and it's buggy too
> Take a close look at what really happens.
I'm sure it is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't exist. ;)
Seriously, I know it is. The other thing is, I use shadow most of the
time. Still, the username information is never a good thing to share.
-
chaos is
> prevented by something more substantial than a social convention.
>
> I have to admit that the social convention is working very well at the
> moment, though.
>
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ve invalid entries or gotten
corrupted?
> Is passwd in Woody broken? How can I fix my broken root password without
> harming my system?
I hope not :(
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WinXP have builtin IPSec support.
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tion, but is content,
> for now, to only allow himself and one other to even have accounts on
> the box with the cleartext passwds)
Ugh.. I'd never be content with cleartext passwords, especially given
how many security solutions are around today.
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se ciphers actually available in my SSH package?
Yep, as long as you have OpenSSL support :)
> 2) The SHA1-96 hash should be better than MD5-96, correct?
Correct.
> 3) Any reason you *wouldn't* want to use compression in SSH?
Yes, if you're going over a high speed line, no reaso
This one time, Jeff Bonner wrote:
> On Mon 10 Jun 2002 13:23, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > This one time, Jeff Bonner wrote:
> As in, "This one time, at band camp..."? >;) Also, sorry about
> the wretched linebreaks, folks. Good ol Outlook.
Yes, exactly. :) I got tire
This one time, Loic Le Loarer wrote:
> Le Monday 10 June 2002 ? 10:23:23 -0700, Anne Carasik a ?crit:
> > Check the man page for what ciphers SSH2 accepts. I usually leave it on
> > Blowfish because it's secure and it's the fastest cipher. AES sucks
> > because it
gt;
> X-Force PGP Key available on MIT's PGP key server and PGP.com's key
> server, as well as at http://www.iss.net/security_center/sensitive.php
>
> Please send suggestions, updates, and comments to: X-Force
>
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: 2.6.2
>
my concerns?
*raises hand*
Both the Apache and OpenSSH announcements were done poorly, without
any reasonable thought given to the user community.
They should be taken out and shot ;-) (IMHO).
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> Any idea what might have happend?
>
> thanks a lot,
> Andreas
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nothing useful :(
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This one time, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Jul 2002, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > Let me know if you have any ideas. Running the client and server in both
> > verbose and debugging modes provides me with nothing useful :(
> Did you set
> X11Forwarding yes
> in bo
This one time, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 01:48:31PM -0700, Anne Carasik wrote:
> > So, if I force X11 with the -X (even though my ssh_config on
> > the client is set to X11Forwarding yes), I get this:
> Get what?
Uh, the output that I included.
> Yo
said to check the ssh_config on the client and
the server... not just the server.
Anyway, let me know if you have any ideas.
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(O/ O
Clarifying myself.. sorry :)
So, if I force X11 with the -X (even though my ssh_config on
the client is set to X11Forwarding yes), I get the same as if
I don't run ssh with the -X option.
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Okay, having X11 listening for TCP connections with xhost +
enabled didn't help.
I'm open to other suggestions. :)
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> Hi David,
>
> Nope, that didn't help. It may be because X11 isn't listening on
> port 6000, but I reall
Hi Vineet,
It doesn't matter--it's still does not work no matter what I do
to my X server.
Anyway, I turned off xhost and X11 listening a while ago.
-Anne
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$ uname -a
Linux swamp 2.4.17 #1 Fri Feb 22 11:08:36 PST 2002 i686 unknown unknown
GNU/Linux
I'm running Woody on my boxes.
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at all.
There's no debating that. The article doesn't refer
to that--it refers to basic functionality of Secure
Shell.
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> you use MD5 password on your linuxbox.
> you should downgrade your crypt to normal hash password
Isn't this a security list? :) Why would anyone downgrade a hash?
All my hashes are MD5 based, and I haven't had a problem copying
password hashes out of Solaris.
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> debug3: tty_parse_modes: 92 0
> debug3: tty_parse_modes: 93 0
> debug1: server_input_channel_req: channel 0 request shell reply 0
> debug1: session_by_channel: session 0 channel 0
> debug1: session_input_channel_req: session 0 req shell
> debug1: PAM setting tty to "/
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et remove --purge openssh and reinstall it
after you get PAM working.
> is the ssh package young in the unstable branch ?
I haven't had any problems, but it is unstable after all ;)
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no matter
which group they're running. Why should it matter? Isn't this mailing
list called debian-security? Not debian-security-stable.
> Unstable is not just a name...
Neither is testing nor stable :)
-Anne
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