Re: DebConf 23: Python BoF

2023-09-28 Thread Stefano Rivera
Hi debian-python (2023.09.10_05:23:12_+) > We have scheduled a Python BoF at DebConf23: > https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/27-python-bof/ > It will be on Sep 16 (Sat): at 10:30 local time (05:00 - 05:45 UTC) We had the BoF, notes: https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/

Re: DebConf 23: Python BoF

2023-09-10 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Sunday, September 10, 2023 1:23:12 AM EDT Stefano Rivera wrote: > We have scheduled a Python BoF at DebConf23: > https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/27-python-bof/ > It will be on Sep 16 (Sat): at 10:30 local time (05:00 - 05:45 UTC) > > I started getting together an agenda in: > https://pad.dc

DebConf 23: Python BoF

2023-09-09 Thread Stefano Rivera
We have scheduled a Python BoF at DebConf23: https://debconf23.debconf.org/talks/27-python-bof/ It will be on Sep 16 (Sat): at 10:30 local time (05:00 - 05:45 UTC) I started getting together an agenda in: https://pad.dc23.debconf.org/p/27-python-bof Please help me to build it out. Stefano -- St

Re: No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/14/2010 03:41 PM, Bastian Venthur wrote: > Am 14.08.2010 15:34, schrieb Guy Hulbert: >> On Sat, 2010-14-08 at 15:14 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: >>> The minutes are currently polished by the participants of the BoF and >>> will be published afterwards. >> >> Why do minutes need to be "polish

Re: No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Bastian Venthur
Am 14.08.2010 15:34, schrieb Guy Hulbert: > On Sat, 2010-14-08 at 15:14 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: >> The minutes are currently polished by the participants of the BoF and >> will be published afterwards. > > Why do minutes need to be "polished" ... ? Maybe polished isn't the correct term. Wha

Re: No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Sat, 2010-14-08 at 15:14 +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote: > The minutes are currently polished by the participants of the BoF and > will be published afterwards. Why do minutes need to be "polished" ... ? -- --gh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subje

Re: No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Bastian Venthur
Hi, The minutes are currently polished by the participants of the BoF and will be published afterwards. Cheers, Bastian Am 14.08.2010 09:09, schrieb Sandro Tosi: > Hello, > there was a BoF[1] about the plans for python in squeeze+1 but no > minutes was sent to the list: 8 days are passed, so w

Re: No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Saturday, August 14, 2010 03:09:35 am Sandro Tosi wrote: > Hello, > there was a BoF[1] about the plans for python in squeeze+1 but no > minutes was sent to the list: 8 days are passed, so we have waited > (while others, like perl team, sent it moments after the bof). > > [1] http://penta.debcon

No minutes from Debconf Python BoF?

2010-08-14 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello, there was a BoF[1] about the plans for python in squeeze+1 but no minutes was sent to the list: 8 days are passed, so we have waited (while others, like perl team, sent it moments after the bof). [1] http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/696.en.html I think it's important to have s

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
I know I'm a broken record on this, and I (currently ;) have very little power to do much about it other than *talk*, but... On May 11, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >Why am I mentioning Ubuntu at all? Because all decisions about Python in >Debian are made there. My own personal hope

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 18, 2010, at 11:42 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: >On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >> >> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions? >> * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not >>  more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 10, 2010, at 01:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >Why I think derivatives should not add new versions? >* because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not > more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6 and are not easy to > port to 2.5 in Ubuntu 10.04, >* because when

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-19 Thread Éric Araujo
Hello >> The premise of your implication is false. > Please translate to simple English. premise: something you base your reasoning on implication: something you present as true as a result of a reasoning In other words: Your argument says something that is based on an inexact thought. If I un

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread Cyril Brulebois
anatoly techtonik (18/05/2010): > Please translate to simple English. This was simple English, even French guys understood it… Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/5/11 Piotr Ożarowski : > > Why am I mentioning Ubuntu at all? Because all decisions about Python in > Debian are made there. > > Do you still want me to answer your questions or is it clear already why > I am acting as an asshole? I can't see an asshole action so fat. The thing that troubles

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 23:01, anatoly techtonik wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> >> Indeed, that's what we expect from the python maintainer: >> >> - understand what changes between to major release >> - prepare a draft for the transition, checking packages that br

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > Indeed, that's what we expect from the python maintainer: > > - understand what changes between to major release > - prepare a draft for the transition, checking packages that brake > (reporting bugs and hopefully patches) > - get consensus f

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hello anatoly, I'm quite tired of your emails where you're only capable of attacking without being able to provide valuable contributions to Debian. from my POV, if you don't like know we do things, then help us fix them and STOP complaining; otherwise, simply choose another distribution and leave

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski : > > I had to explain many times (mostly to Pylons users) why packages not > touched by Ubuntu developers are not working on Ubuntu, I know the pain. Why...? -- anatoly t. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-python-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscri

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > > Why I think derivatives should not add new versions? > * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not >  more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6 and are not easy to >  port to 2.5 in Ubuntu 10.04, Backport

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: \>> 80kb of duplicated >> code (even 8Mb) doesn't worth wasted time for troubleshooting in 2010. >> It may be a reason for security, but why not just let packages >> register their used version in Debian registry and track it there? >

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-18 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * anatoly techtonik , 2010-05-08, 07:16: >> >> Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and >> technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead >> unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not really >>

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-11 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
Lino, I started using Debian because I love to see a long list of packages with new upstream releases available on my hard drive every single morning. Not just 100 best known applications but every niche app./library I use. I know they are prepared by either upstream authors or people who simply u

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-11 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 19:51, Lino Mastrodomenico wrote: > Disclaimer: I'm a Python developer, not a package maintainer, so take > what I write with a grain of salt. > > 2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski : >> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions? >> * because it's mostly chasing numbers -

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-11 Thread Lino Mastrodomenico
Disclaimer: I'm a Python developer, not a package maintainer, so take what I write with a grain of salt. 2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski : > Why I think derivatives should not add new versions? > * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not >  more than 10 packages that require

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-11 Thread Toni Mueller
On Tue, 11.05.2010 at 00:23:55 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote: > [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10] > > PS: The address "www.griffith.cc" that you mention in your .sig, does > > not resolve, and afair, Berlios is not a good project host. > > To which IP your DNS points you to? Yesterday, it didn't r

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10] > It's still only a problem in Ubuntu until Debian makes a possibly > similar transition, right? The problem is it's out of our hands. > > I want to give Ubuntu CDs to my friends telling them that there are > > few bits of my work there. I don't want to explain to them

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Toni Mueller
On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 21:17:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote: > [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10] > > problem. It's their choice to deviate from Debian packaging, so why > > shouldn't it be also their problem (not ours) if they break stuff, too? > changes in Python interpreter or python-central are late

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10] > On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 13:23:01 +0200, Piotr O??arowski > wrote: > > derivatives what to do, though. I'd never complain in public and would > > let you do whatever you want (that's derivative's right after all)... if > > Ubuntu's decisions would not have so strong impa

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Piotr, On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 13:23:01 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote: > derivatives what to do, though. I'd never complain in public and would > let you do whatever you want (that's derivative's right after all)... if > Ubuntu's decisions would not have so strong impact on us - when I'm than

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Barry Warsaw, 2010-05-10] > Note that today is the first day of the Ubuntu Developer Summit for Ubuntu > 10.10. On Thursday we are going to have a session to discuss the roadmap for > Python on Ubuntu and what version(s) we will ship by default in 10.10. I > invite your constructive input in thi

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 08, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: >The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian >and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them) >is... "because you are slow". All technical reasons (like relative >imports in 2.6) were easy to prov

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Arto Jantunen
Jakub Wilk writes: > * Piotr Ożarowski , 2010-05-08, 10:55: >>The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian >>and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them) >>is... "because you are slow". > > That's quite ironic given the fact that the major inhibi

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 05/08/2010 10:55 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian > and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them) > is... "because you are slow". Of course Ubuntu is faster, they fixed all the python2.6 bug by disabling

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi anatoly, On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 07:41:05 +0300, anatoly techtonik wrote: > three are used even though only one is default. But there is no > Python2.6 even in backports on Lenny and I need it for python-expect, > to automate my stuff. This also requires explanation to refer people > when they

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Piotr Ożarowski , 2010-05-08, 10:55: The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them) is... "because you are slow". That's quite ironic given the fact that the major inhibitor of the Python 2.6 transi

Re: virtualenv (was: Python talks at DebConf)

2010-05-08 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Piotr, On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 14:33:39 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote: > [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-08] > > On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski > > wrote: > > > [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08] > > > > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications? > > > > > > Every single

virtualenv (was: Python talks at DebConf)

2010-05-08 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-08] > On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski > wrote: > > [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08] > > > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications? > > > > Every single DD understands that shipping two copies of the same file is > > one too many. > > actual

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote: > [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08] > > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications? > > Every single DD understands that shipping two copies of the same file is > one too many. actually, I don't. Virtualenv has been a lif

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Jakub Wilk
* anatoly techtonik , 2010-05-08, 07:16: Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not really helper if no one understands how it works, and it is confusing fo

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 08/05/10 06:41, anatoly techtonik wrote: > 80kb of duplicated > code (even 8Mb) doesn't worth wasted time for troubleshooting in 2010. > It may be a reason for security, but why not just let packages > register their used version in Debian registry and track it there? Because if there's a secur

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-08 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08] > Only ideas. > "Using Python toolchain for Python modules/apps in Debian?" > Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and > technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead > unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not r

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
One more thing for "Python Policy 2010." Status quo with examples. Trac comes with jQuery suitable for this version of application. But Debian policy dictates to remove duplicated code, so jQuery is replaced with some other version rather than required. This creates problems with plugins and Debia

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-07 Thread anatoly techtonik
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Richard Darst wrote: > > I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed > there weren't very many Python related talks.  Given the amount there > is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see > s

Re: Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
On May 04, 2010, at 04:20 PM, Richard Darst wrote: >I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed >there weren't very many Python related talks. Given the amount there >is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see >some more submissions

Python talks at DebConf

2010-05-04 Thread Richard Darst
Hello, I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed there weren't very many Python related talks. Given the amount there is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see some more submissions. Perhaps the list can suggest some talks and we can nom

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > Actually my proposed sentence is not accurate, but something more might be > added to that paragraph. > zope-* .postinst and only those files expect a shared question to be available > at configuration time. zope package is the only one

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 11:36:33AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > That's not at all accurate. Every package that has a config script that > expects to use a template must include a copy of the template in the > package. Dependencies will not be honored at preconfigure time. Thanks for replying. Actuall

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Joey Hess
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:28:21PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > [...] > > Hmmm, are you sure that this paragraph in the manual makes sense > > I guess if a zope package depends from zope all relevant debconf information > >

Re: [Pkg-zope-developers] Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Joey Hess
drop templates, > > and everyone was happy... but this never happened ;) I'm not familiar with zope's packaging, but I hope you all realize that dependencies are not guaranteed to be satisfied at debconf preconfigure time. That is the reason you sometimes need shared templates. --

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Fri, Nov 14, 2003 at 01:28:21PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: [...] > Hmmm, are you sure that this paragraph in the manual makes sense > I guess if a zope package depends from zope all relevant debconf information > is available and copying the same stuff over and over makes no sen

Re: [Pkg-zope-developers] Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Andreas Tille
onfig and templates files have to be dropped, and > packages do no more have to call dh_installdebconf (but of course they > still depends on debconf). And postinst might indeed be automatically > created by dh_zope. This is very easy, customize the attached postinst-zope > script and put

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-14 Thread Andreas Tille
ope-cmfcore.postinst. > > And that's all! > I indeed proposed that solution, but as far as i can read from > debconf-devel(7): > > SHARED TEMPLATES >It's actually possible to have a template and a question that are >shared among a set of packag

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-13 Thread Denis Barbier
stinst file, e.g. zope-cmfcore.postinst. > > And that's all! > > I indeed proposed that solution, but as far as i can read from > debconf-devel(7): > > SHARED TEMPLATES >It's actually possible to have a template and a question that are >sha

Re: [Pkg-zope-developers] Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-13 Thread Nicolas Ledez
Le Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:45:34AM -0600, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis a écrit : > I good improvement would have been to create dh_zope command (as part of a > zope-dev) package, which would have been responsible of installing/updating > those files (like code snippets). I meant zopectl for othe

Re: Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-13 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
d dependency on zope if needed (the shared/zope/restart question > was finalized in 2.5.1-2.7 according to its changelog) and get a recent > postinst file, e.g. zope-cmfcore.postinst. > And that's all! I indeed proposed that solution, but as far as i can read from debconf-devel(7): SHARE

Duplicate debconf templates in zope-* packages

2003-11-12 Thread Denis Barbier
[Cc me on reply, I am not subscribed to this list] Hi there, it looks like the solution proposed by Luca in http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2002/debian-python-200211/msg00025.html has never been implemented, most (if not all?) Zope packages still ship their own templates files. The right

Re: debconf

2003-09-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le sam 13/09/2003 à 07:24, Terry Hancock a écrit : > Is there a python binding for debconf? The debconf-doc > package mentions bash and perl bindings and communicating > by pipes, but not python. Yes, it is in the debconf package. Just try "import debconf". > It would s

debconf

2003-09-13 Thread Terry Hancock
Hi All, I've been lurking for a long time, but just thought of a question: Is there a python binding for debconf? The debconf-doc package mentions bash and perl bindings and communicating by pipes, but not python. It would seem the natural choice for config scripts for python packages at

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-20 Thread Donovan Baarda
t's .py's for every installed and supported version of python > > in it's postinst, then doing a 'dpkg-reconfigure -p critical ' > > should re-compile the package. There must be ways to use this in scripts > > to ensure correct installation-removal of package

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-19 Thread =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_v=2E_L=F6wis=22?=
Donovan Baarda wrote: 1) moving /usr/lib/python* into /usr/share/python*. I consider this low priority, but something that should be done one day. There are possibly some issues with separating binary extension modules from .py python modules that would to be resolved. This doesn't work. /usr/lib/p

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-19 Thread Matthias Klose
e correct installation-removal of packages. [...] hmm, how does this work for packages like mailman and zope, where more than recompilation is done in the scripts (debconf configs ...)? I don't want be asked these questions when I upgrade python. > The problem of dpkg-reconfigure is

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-19 Thread Matthias Klose
Donovan Baarda writes: > On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 19:54, Matthias Klose wrote: > [...] > > And/or take a look at dh_python, which does all this for "free"... > > BTW, where can we find this? I'd like to take a look. Included in debhelper.

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Sat, 2003-04-19 at 08:09, Matthias Klose wrote: > Bastian Kleineidam writes: > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:25:08PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:22:11 +0200 > > > Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > file:///usr/share/doc/python/python-poli

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Fri, 2003-04-18 at 19:54, Matthias Klose wrote: [...] > And/or take a look at dh_python, which does all this for "free"... BTW, where can we find this? I'd like to take a look. -- Donovan Baardahttp://minkirri.ap

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Matthias Klose
Bastian Kleineidam writes: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:25:08PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:22:11 +0200 > > Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > file:///usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.txt.gz (that is shipped > > > with the "python" package).

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Bastian Kleineidam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 12:25:08PM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:22:11 +0200 > Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > file:///usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.txt.gz (that is shipped > > with the "python"

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:22:11 +0200 Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) I would like to use the debconf-module, but it seems there is no > > python priority:required, so is this module worthless? > > Please, be careful using debconf

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Matthias Klose
Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis writes: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2003 at 10:02:39AM +0200, Tim Dijkstra wrote: > > 1) Should I ship .py or .pyc or both in the package. Byte-compile at > > install time? Ask user what to do? > > Ok, just saw a few other messages on this, my conclusion: > > Byte-compile at

Re: python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
me. Take a look to other python package: most of them use this behaviour. > 2) I would like to use the debconf-module, but it seems there is no > python priority:required, so is this module worthless? Please, be careful using debconf: you'd better read the "best packaging prac

python-debconf, Byte compilation and other questions

2003-04-18 Thread Tim Dijkstra
ed when a newer python becomes the default? With a depends python < X.Y? Seems a waste of band with, to download a new package only for its postinst run... 2) I would like to use the debconf-module, but it seems there is no python priority:required, so is this module worthless? 3) The program is pu

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 31/01/2003 à 16:19, Bernhard Kuemel a écrit : > Secondly I am still confused why the installation of python2.2 made > the 'compileall.py -q' bug disappear when in any case > /usr/local/bin/python would have been called. Because debhelper uses an explicit path to /usr/lib/python2.2/compileal

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-31 Thread Bernhard Kuemel
Joey Hess wrote: > > Bernhard Kuemel wrote: > > Thank you very much. I had python 2.1 installed and with 2.2 the > > problem disappeared. Seems python2.2 should be a dependency for > > debconf and mailman. > > Why? They only run python2.2 if it can be foun

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-31 Thread Graham Wilson
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 02:46:00PM +1100, Donovan Baarda wrote: > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 09:59, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le jeu 30/01/2003 ? 22:42, Bernhard Kuemel a ?crit : > [...] > > > ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/math.so: undefined > >^

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard Kuemel wrote: > Thank you very much. I had python 2.1 installed and with 2.2 the > problem disappeared. Seems python2.2 should be a dependency for > debconf and mailman. Why? They only run python2.2 if it can be found in the path. I dont really understand how you could possibly

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-31 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > Your python installation is screwed. The compileall.py module in Debian > does support -q in all versions. It's not possible to be mistaken about > that, as the error message included in Debian's compileall.py is not > exactly this one. Ok so it is a local install of an o

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Donovan Baarda
nstead of "#!/usr/bin/env python" to avoid exactly this problem. If Mailman or debconf or whatever is running python scripts with "#!/usr/bin/env python" then this is arguably a minor bug that should be reported against it. --

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Thomas Wouters
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:42:11PM +0100, Bernhard Kuemel wrote: > Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 19:44, Joey Hess a écrit : > > > > Setting up debconf (1.2.21) ... > > > > option -q not recognized > > > > usage: python co

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Bernhard Kuemel
Josselin Mouette wrote: > [unable to configure mailman] > > ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/math.so: undefined > > > symbol: PyFPE_jbuf > > The issue isn't in mailman. You have some python2.2 binaries in your > /usr/local tree, that's why

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 22:42, Bernhard Kuemel a écrit : > Thank you very much. I had python 2.1 installed and with 2.2 the > problem disappeared. Seems python2.2 should be a dependency for > debconf and mailman. > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Bernhard Kuemel
Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 19:44, Joey Hess a écrit : > > > Setting up debconf (1.2.21) ... > > > option -q not recognized > > > usage: python compileall.py [-l] [-f] [-d destdir] [-s regexp] > > > > What version of python2.2 do

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le jeu 30/01/2003 à 19:44, Joey Hess a écrit : > > Setting up debconf (1.2.21) ... > > option -q not recognized > > usage: python compileall.py [-l] [-f] [-d destdir] [-s regexp] > > What version of python2.2 do you have installed? > What does it say when you run -- >

Re: Bug#178373: debconf: severity critical

2003-01-30 Thread Joey Hess
Bernhard Kuemel wrote: > apt-get dist-upgrade now won't install even a single package. At first I > chose severity normal because mailman depends on debconf, but now > totally unrelated packages don't get installed. Unfortunately it seems > reportbug won't set the sever

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-26 Thread J�r�me Marant
Gregor Hoffleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > currently, our Python packages mostly ship .py files and compile them into > .pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. The way you do it currently is fine. If people don't want pyc, they can freely delete them. I don't

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-26 Thread J�r�me Marant
Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Maybe we could reuse the Emacs way? Ask Joey to add a dh_python, > write up a /usr/lib/pythonen-common/python-install, and byte-compile > at install-time for all the present flavours? > > Just an idea, of course. We have already talked about using

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-26 Thread Roland Mas
Gregor Hoffleit (2001-03-23 21:39:07 +0100) : > currently, our Python packages mostly ship .py files and compile > them into .pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. The Python situation sounds remarkably like the Emacs one, don't you think? We have several (okay, two) flavours

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-25 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 08:25:57AM +0200, Moshe Zadka wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Gregor Hoffleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > currently, our Python packages mostly ship .py files and compile them into > > ..pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. > > > > There's no reaso

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-24 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Bruce Sass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do think we need somewhere where all the .pyc's are "registered", > > "locate .pyc"; or maybe locate .py, .pyc, and .pyo files, then > reconcile the three lists. I didn't say the file system isn't a good such place. I just said we

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-24 Thread Bruce Sass
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Moshe Zadka wrote: <...> > I do think we need somewhere where all the .pyc's are "registered", "locate .pyc"; or maybe locate .py, .pyc, and .pyo files, then reconcile the three lists. > so when > a new version of Python comes along, it can recompile them, since pycs > are no

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-24 Thread Neil Schemenauer
On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 09:39:07PM +0100, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: > I wonder if I should debconf-ify python-base and add an debconf option that > sets a system-wide policy about how to deal with .py/.pyc files. That could > be one of: > > * install both .py and .pyc files > *

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-24 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Gregor Hoffleit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > currently, our Python packages mostly ship .py files and compile them into > ..pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. > > There's no reason, though, to keep the .py files on machines that only > deploy software[

Re: RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-23 Thread D-Man
nd compile them into | .pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. | | There's no reason, though, to keep the .py files on machines that only | deploy software[1] | | I wonder if I should debconf-ify python-base and add an debconf option that | sets a system-wide policy about h

RFC: python-base, debconf and py/pyc files

2001-03-23 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
Hi, currently, our Python packages mostly ship .py files and compile them into .pyc files at run time in order to save space in the debs. There's no reason, though, to keep the .py files on machines that only deploy software[1] I wonder if I should debconf-ify python-base and add an de