Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-12-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 12:32:02AM +, Joey Hess wrote: > dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Full name: Aur??lien G?\x89R?\x94ME So did that display any better for people with properly setup fonts? Cheers, aj signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring

2007-12-02 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 08:59:56PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > It was closer, but there were stray x89 and x94 strings (as literal > strings, not as escapes or hex encodings of characters). Ah, well, that makes some sense. That's what gpg's dumping to me: $ gpg --with-colons --list-key 65B4B162

Re: Update #1 [RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)]

2008-01-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 09:55:19AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > Why can't we manage the DEP list just like the rest in a VCS ? A VCS > > > commit is atomic. :) > > To avoid religious was on which VCS to choose :-) > Just use svn for that part.

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:18:30PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: > Currently, when having discussions about improvements to Debian, it is > not always clear when consensus has been reached, and people willing to > implement it may start too early, [...] Isn't it useful to have sample implementation

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:12:53AM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > If people want to do this, it's useful. The problem that is described > is that people don't actually want to do this, because they don't know > if their solution will be used. That seems a pretty bad rationale -- implementing your s

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:15:33PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > For example, the machine-parsable copyright thing > > > seems (to me) to be pretty much accepted as a Good Thing, but it's > > > unclear when it would be a good idea to start suggesting or even > > > mandating it in policy. > > Well,

Re: Using the BTS instead of a different system? (Was: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs))

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:16:29PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > If we called this field a summary, one interface to use it could be to > mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to set a new summary. This would add > the message to the detailed bug log, [...] That more or less means having a particular message in the

Updated Debian Developers Keyring

2008-04-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Not really an automated mail, but we can pretend. The following changes to the Debian keyring have been made: ag Full name: Aurelien Gerome Linked key: 2FC3907C20D963EBB234D023236C60C665B4B162 (formerly belonging to dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) akumar Full name: Kumar Appaiah Adde

Re: Updated Debian Developers Keyring

2008-04-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 07:53:15AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Anthony Towns wrote: >> The following changes to the Debian keyring have been made: > May I guess that this good news is somehow connected to [1]? > If yes, thanks once more to our former DPL!

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 09:10:25PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote: > > ,[ The social contract is a goal, not a binding contract ] > > | This amends the proposal above, and replaces the text of the proposal > > | with: The developers, via a general resolution, determine that the > > | social cont

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-19 Thread Anthony Towns
> On Fri Dec 19 21:10, Robert Millan wrote: > > > ,[ The social contract is binding but may be overridden by a simple > > > GR ] > > > | This amends the proposal above, and replaces the text of the proposal > > > | with: The developers, via a general resolution, determine that the > > > | s

Re: RFC: General resolution: Clarify the status of the social contract

2008-12-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:18:01PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think these have the same flaw as our current situation: none of them > state who interprets the Social Contract and the DSFG if there is a > dispute over what they mean. If there is a dispute in Debian, there are three levels at

Re: Voting on messages: a way to resolve the mailing list problems

2008-12-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:35:14AM +, Jurij Smakov wrote: > * "Vocal minority" dominates "silent majority" by contributing a > disproportionate amount of list traffic, [...] Note that voting can have a similar drawback -- in that if you've got enough like-minded people voting for a particular

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 04:12:58AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 29 July 2009, Meike Reichle wrote: > > The Debian project has decided to adopt a new policy of time-based > > development freezes for future releases, on a two-year cycle. > Disappointing to see such an announcement without a

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-29 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 11:25:01AM +0200, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > Steffen Moeller schrieb: > > Same here. The release team, or the individual that pressed the button for > > the > > announcement, I suggest to apologize for disturbing our community. > The text was coordinated within the

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:09:35PM +, Anthony Towns wrote: > For three, what happened to getting the firmware issue resolved early in > squeeze's cycle [1]? It's evidently no longer early in squeeze's cycle, > so maybe I just somehow missed the decisio

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-07-30 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:49:48AM +0200, Steve Langasek wrote: > Doesn't this imply that everyone who continues using Debian today does so > merely as an accident of the release schedule and the particular set of > packages that land in a given Debian release? That and the fact that upgrades betw

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-03 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 05:17:57PM +0200, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 01:07:39PM +0000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > [...] The tradeoffs to me seem to be: > > > > Debian stable Ubuntu LTS > > > > 2 year rel cycle

Re: Debian decides to adopt time-based release freezes

2009-08-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 05:44:58PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:51:35AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > Also in many cases, Ubuntu and Debian teams can't fully collaborate > > because they do not target the same upstream version, freezing at the same > > time should make

Re: On syncing freeze dates with other distributions

2009-08-04 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:55:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03 2009, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Amen. I think two years is a little too long and 18 months would be much > > better. > We never actually have managed the 18 month release, have we? We > freeze approximatly 18

Re: On cadence and collaboration

2009-08-05 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 08:44:29PM +0100, Mark Shuttleworth wrote: > Margarita Manterola wrote: > > If Debian commits to a December freeze, would that mean that Ubuntu > > commits to releasing 10.04 with KDE 4.3 (already released) and [...] > The proposal as I understood it was that in December, th

Synchronising with Ubuntu

2009-08-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 03:55:16PM +, Anthony Towns wrote: > etch: 2006/12 - 2007/04 (decent hit for feisty's import freeze) > lenny: 2008/07 - 2009/02 (decent hit for jaunty's import freeze) > > dapper and hardy are the two Ubuntu LTS releases so far

Re: Synchronising with Ubuntu

2009-08-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:42:24PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Comparison between etch/main and feisty/main+universe by source: > As at today (2009/08/11) etch/feisty security support compare as follows: > 63 packages with security updates in both Debian and Ubuntu (11 Hmm, let&#

Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free

2000-06-08 Thread Anthony Towns
ing problems. The difference between this situation and undistributable ROMs and binaries is that there we *can't* do anything about it, whereas here we're simply saying we *won't*. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak

Re: Tentative Proposal: Regarding experimental use

2000-06-09 Thread Anthony Towns
ion > > control. > There are (at least) two implementations of package pools: "package pools" is used as a bit of a coverall for "any interesting change to the archive", so it's not very precise often. > 1. Anthony Towns' at http://auric.debian.org/~ajt/>

A rebuttal (was: Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
ree replacement. Respectfully submitted, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG encrypted mail preferred. ``We reject: kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and

An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
er to make Gnome packages consistent, or to make IPv6 packages usable, or even to distribute Debianised KDE source. I imagine this ammendment would be best as a separate option on the ballot to the original proposal, and as such it will require five seconds. Respectfully submitted, aj -- Antho

Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 06:34:00PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Having Lyx not have an explicit dependency on xforms (apt-get install lyx > > succeeds, but it doesn't work, why not?), or having that dependency not be > >

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 10:44:24PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:03:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > DEBIAN GENERAL RESOLUTION > > > Proposed by: John Goerzen <[E

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 1) the Debian project continues to acknowledge the utility of providing > > non-free software for it users. > What do we need a GR for this? What makes

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:45:32PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Jun 11, Anthony Towns wrote: > > As I understand it, at this point two votes need to take place: one to > > determine what form the resolution should take so that developers may > > choose between John'

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 11:07:57PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > to dists/woody/ > > add-on/ > > gnome-helix > > kde > > wouldn't alter that, whil

Re: Debian is about providing the best free operating system

2000-06-11 Thread Anthony Towns
of forking the project. This is ridiculous. Why, exactly, _can't_ we all just get along? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG encrypted mail preferred. ``We reject: kings, presidents, and

Re: Debian is about providing the best free operating system

2000-06-11 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 12:21:22AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 03:31:48PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > Debian is about building the best *free* operatign system > This is ridiculous. It's also hyperbole, not all that well argued and not particul

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:10:47PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > The intention of this ammendment is to provide a means for developers to > > offer their support of the existing social contract while acknowledgi

Re: in or out of the distribution (Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free))

2000-06-12 Thread Anthony Towns
ary-hurd-i386/* (there's exactly one .deb in dists/unstable/non-free/binary-hurd-i386/, btw :) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``We reject: kings, presidents,

Re: General Resolution: Removing non-free

2000-06-13 Thread Anthony Towns
easy. In all probability? Personally, I suspect obtaining non-free software will become noticably more inconvenient, and that maintaining non-free software will become a downright pain in the neck. > In either case, there is no net harm to the users or to the Free > Software community. I r

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-15 Thread Anthony Towns
'm just putting words in your mouth, and that's not anything at all like what you're trying to say, and I'm just an irrational and unethical goon trying to wrest the project from the ideals it was founded upon. *sigh* Whatever. Just for the record: Debian's support of non-

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-16 Thread Anthony Towns
olution succeed, and no non-free archive appear? Cheers, aj, who notes normally you're not meant to have to argue a negative -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``We r

Re: Constitutional, Parliamentary Issues (was Re: CFV: Non-freearchive removal)

2000-07-08 Thread Anthony Towns
been proved. Since this is a matter of interpretation, I hope we'll all accept the secretary's interpretation when he makes it known? Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mai

Re: On the lets-remove-nonfree-proposal

2000-07-19 Thread Anthony Towns
be having more "accidents" real soon! Muahahahahahaha! Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``We reject: kings, presidents, and voting.

Re: [nm-admin] Identification step in the current scheme (Re: Fear the new maintainer process)

2000-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
han actually physically showing someone your passport, and letting them look at the photo and your face and saying "Gosh, you look different". -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak fo

Re: [nm-admin] Identification step in the current scheme (Re: Fear the new maintainer process)

2000-08-02 Thread Anthony Towns
; "555-" "Okay." [dial] [ring, ring] "Hello" "Hi, I'm calling about your n-m application..." Can you give an example scenario where, given a phone call and given a key signed by one or two other developers (who've checked passports and such

Re: [nm-admin] Identification step in the current scheme (Re: Fear the new maintainer process)

2000-08-03 Thread Anthony Towns
on file? What's the *point*? > > 1. (somewhat) Speedier processing for those applicants are able to > > convince existing Debian Developers to sign their key. > We already have that, as they don't need to provide a phone contact for ID > verification. But they do for "

Re: Why isn't queue/new world-readable?

2005-01-14 Thread Anthony Towns
Florian Weimer wrote: * Wouter Verhelst: Uhm. Debian has had two lawyers look at the respective laws and suggest us a procedure, which we follow; and it included setting the permission bits as they currently are. We've done that for a few years now, and nothing bad has happened. Why should we sudde

Re: New Front Desk members

2005-01-31 Thread Anthony Towns
Matthew Garrett wrote: Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: they is gender-neutral? Leads to very bad-sounding, at least for my ear, things like How have they contributed to Debian already? What do they intend to do for Debian in the future? How do they interact with others, such as users and o

Re: New Front Desk members

2005-01-31 Thread Anthony Towns
Steve Langasek wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: A nit: y'all is singular. "all y'all" is plural. Notherners often get this wrong. Amusing to have this juxtaposed with the statement that English is a terrible language for purity. ;) Yes, I'm a northern

Re: New Front Desk members

2005-02-01 Thread Anthony Towns
Thaddeus H. Black wrote: Anthony Towns asks, Is there any reason why grammar, porn and spam debates are attracting so much traffic? With reference to the three specific topics listed---grammar, porn and spam---and at the risk of inadvertently choosing inapt words, one might illustrate the two

Re: Debian Logo on an italian amateur bicycle racing team

2005-02-07 Thread Anthony Towns
Marco Presi wrote: They asked me if they could define their bicycle team as "Debian Powered" and print Debian logo on their T-Shirts. They are a non-profit team and I guess they will use those T-Shirt only for bicycling, NOT for sell, so.. I don't see reasons against this. As long as t

Re: New policy for http://www.debian.org/consultants/

2005-02-09 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.09.1239 +0100]: This has been prohibited in the past. I'm not sure why; I suspect to prevent consultants from having an entry for every country. I suppose this is a fair argument. Maybe it could be required to produce proof

Re: Take APT 0.6 discussion public!

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: Obviously, for reasons unknown to the mere mortals, the above only applies to topics of the mere mortals of Debian, not to certain members of the cabal. Some vital components of the Debian project are better kept away from the public, or they could be flooded with opinions or

Re: Take APT 0.6 discussion public!

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
hat my salary has been misplaced, I wonder if you would be so kind as to inform the HR department and request they look into the matter? Or, wait, perhaps you aren't my boss, and you've got absolutely no business demanding that I account for my time? also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.

Re: Take APT 0.6 discussion public!

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the tasks of the ftpmaster role seems to be moving slow. Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more publically; but I'm not willing to do that in an environment that's actively hostile. Che

Re: Take APT 0.6 discussion public!

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.02.16.2334 +0100]: When have you ever seen Martin F. Krafft gratuitously insult anyone? Well, almost everytime i read one of his posts to the lists. I'll refrain from gratuitously insulting you. This thread is not a

Re: Take APT 0.6 discussion public!

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.16.1703 +0100]: Or, wait, perhaps you aren't my boss, and you've got absolutely no business demanding that I account for my time? Doesn't the position of a delegate bear a certain amount of responsibility and duties, whic

Re: Ftpmasters' status

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 17-02-2005 00:25, Anthony Towns wrote: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: I am not your boss, but I am (too) interested in understanding why the tasks of the ftpmaster role seems to be moving slow. Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more publically; but I&

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.0025 +0100]: Honestly, I'd love to talk about these sorts of things more publically; Why have you not done so in the past? Why haven't you stopped beating your wife? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2002/06/msg

Re: Debian role bashing

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: Maybe we should tabulate most commonly bashed roles and see if there is a correlation with inavailability of information? What would be the point? That would tell us nothing about causation, which is the question at issue. Regards, aj -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROT

Re: Ftpmasters' status

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Towns
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 17-02-2005 02:43, Anthony Towns wrote: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Here is a fresh non-APT non-hostile thread. Please respond... Dude, if a new thread was enough to avoid folks deciding that it'd be fun to randomly throw in insults and other distractions, I'd

Re: Debian role bashing

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Joel Aelwyn wrote: On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 11:53:47AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: martin f krafft wrote: Maybe we should tabulate most commonly bashed roles and see if there is a correlation with inavailability of information? What would be the point? That would tell us nothing about causation

Re: Ftpmasters' status

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: On 17-02-2005 06:17, Anthony Towns wrote: Then how about spending a little time thinking, first? Seriously, this isn't a debating exercise here; I'm not putting words together just to see how they sound. Why would you /possibly/ imagine retitling the thread woul

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: Then I wrote an email, which, I give you that, was below the waisteline, but look at the effect: every constructive post following my initial message came from people wondering what ftpmasters are and what they are doing. So, what, exactly did those posts "construct"? Certain

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-17 Thread Anthony Towns
st section could at least be made explicit. martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Anthony Towns [2005.02.17.1307 +0100]: Can you possibly conceive there might perhaps be some other explanation for why I'm not writing tediously long emails or involved in heated debates about what changes to the ar

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-18 Thread Anthony Towns
Thomas Hood wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:00:13 +0100, Anthony Towns wrote: martin f krafft wrote: There are people who want information from you, and those people have a right to this information because it is *our* project, not yours. You have absolutely no right to demand /anything/ of me, /at

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Thomas Hood wrote: So you are denying that ftpmasters have responsibilities beyond refraining from working against the rest of the project? It seems you are. Yes. Just like every other member of the project. It says so right there in the constitution, very first point. It's sad that you seem to w

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Anthony Towns wrote: an attack on a subgroup you have a grudge against. Bah, that was uncalled for. I've no reason to think Thomas is holding any grudges. What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in wanting to apologise and get on with things (in private mail an

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
MJ Ray wrote: DDs want know about ftpmasters, but ftpmasters don't send much to debian-devel-announce: it seems like mostly after stuff breaks. DDs don't know how to make them want to do anything, so that leaves three obvious options: 1. use democractic processes to fix this; 2. make their lives

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: All we want is information, AJ. If it is okay with you, I propose an experiment. Over the next days (or weeks... after all you surely have your priorities), I ask you to prepare a little announcement or document which states the following: And you know, all you're achieving b

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-19 Thread Anthony Towns
Joel Aelwyn wrote: On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 08:08:55PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: What's sad is that even as Martin Krafft seems to be sincere in wanting to apologise and get on with things (in private mail anyway), the torch is just taken up by Thomas and Joel and MJ Ray anyway an

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-21 Thread Anthony Towns
Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You need access to the NEW queue. But if I'm not misinformed any DD can get to the mirror on merkel? Packages may not be downloaded from the NEW queue due to US crypto regulations (and Debian's approach to fulfilling the resulting requirements); however if your package

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-21 Thread Anthony Towns
Matthew Palmer wrote: AFAIK, we don't notify for every new piece of software in the archive, just those which would fall foul of the export restrictions. That's mistaken -- we automatically notify for all NEW packages, so that we don't have to examine every upload of every package in order to send

Re: Bits from the ftpmasters

2005-02-22 Thread Anthony Towns
Matthew Palmer wrote: Do you believe that the ftpmaster team might be amenable to either of the proposals mooted recently, such as multiple people certifying that the package is OK (like "advocates for packages"), or a collection of clueful DDs doing these sanity checks on NEW packages? First, I sh

Re: Debbugs reimplementation

2005-03-15 Thread Anthony Towns
David Schmitt wrote: On Monday 14 March 2005 23:57, Daniel Ruoso wrote: P.S.: I'm not saying I am starting to rewrite it, but I'm considering... I think I can remember rumours about a major debbugs updated for post-sarge. Consider contacting debugs' maintainers first. There's the version tracking

Re: IRC debate feedback

2005-03-17 Thread Anthony Towns
martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Adrian von Bidder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.03.16.1344 +0100]: I found the first hour basically wasted time - the strength of IRC is that it's real-time, while the form of the first hour of debate did not really use that, The goal of the first hour was to make sur

Re: non-free but distributable packages and kernel firmware

2005-04-07 Thread Anthony Towns
Mark Brown wrote: On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 01:55:34PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 12:44:36PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: the host system. That would suggest that it would also be worth having a separate section specifically for data to be downloaded to hardware, Well, there you e

Re: non-free but distributable packages and kernel firmware

2005-04-08 Thread Anthony Towns
Henning Makholm wrote: modified-noncommercial-redistribution nonprofit-mod-dist unmodified-noncommercial-redistribution nonprofit-dist unmodified-commercial-redistribution free-dist all-freedoms-in-the-gfdl fsf-free dfsg-freedom-of-all-runnable-programs free-software-and-firmware

Re: non-free but distributable packages and kernel firmware

2005-04-08 Thread Anthony Towns
Floris Bruynooghe wrote: On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 01:17:02AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: I wonder if it would be worth considering a "fsf-free" component that offers a Packages file listing packages from non-free with the fsf-free tag. Personally I would like that. But making a separat

Re: non-free but distributable packages and kernel firmware

2005-04-09 Thread Anthony Towns
Henning Makholm wrote: Scripsit Anthony Towns Henning Makholm wrote: dfsg-freedom-of-all-runnable-programs free-software-and-firmware dfsg-freedom-of-all-main-cpu-runnable-programs free-software Given the historically demonstrated ambiguity of the term "software" I think it would be

Re: Planet.debian.org content policy

2005-05-02 Thread Anthony Towns
Matthew Garrett wrote: Is there one? Should there be? (Frankly, I'd be amazed if there's any set of conditions that would render Ian Murdock's posts unreasonable while allowing the stuff that's on my Livejournal.) In the past, I've censored my political ramblings from Planet Debian on request; and

Re: Advertising on Planet Debian

2005-05-05 Thread Anthony Towns
Ean Schuessler wrote: In the end, isn't this a blog aggregator? It isn't a mailing list and I don't think the same rules apply. Effectively, Planet is trying to impose editorial conditions on peoples *diaries*. No, that would be editorial conditions on the parts of developer's public journals th

Re: New maintainer proposal

1999-10-17 Thread Anthony Towns
one would assume), -devel-announce and/or -news would be a much better place. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred. ``The thing is: trying to be too generic is EVIL.

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-19 Thread Anthony Towns
"Debian + Data" CD set, and still have them lying around. > Pros of this policy: > 2) Avoids controversial materials (politics and religious texts) Like bitchx, or SATAN, or nmap, or devfs? :) > Of course, with some common sense we would have avoided this > discussion. Common

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-20 Thread Anthony Towns
locally. $ apt-get source -b foo # to get source and build There isn't a `get source, build and install' option afaik; and build-depends aren't implemented yet; but still. There's no reason why you can't store just the rebuilt .deb or just the source locally, either, a

Re: Data does NOT belong in Debian (was: Stop Archive bloat)

1999-10-21 Thread Anthony Towns
le to upload source without a binary (for the auto-builders to build, eg). Or at least, if there is, I couldn't figure it out. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred.

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
chive anymore. Third, voting on `this is what these people will spend their time on in future' is completely inappropriate. If it's really a better way, they'll spend their time on it because they want to. If it's a bit ambiguous, you can spend your time on it if you want to. Ch

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
once to mirror `unstable/foo' then a fortnight later, to mirror `testing/foo'. A package pool is one way of solving this, but it makes it difficult to mirror a single architecture. H. http://www.debian.org/~ajt/testing-19991025.tar.gz for what code I've done, fwiw. Cheers,

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-25 Thread Anthony Towns
dding it to policy. Here, we ought to be discussing what we need (which we've done for over a year now), implementing it, and /then/ working out whether we want to actually use it or not. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don&

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-26 Thread Anthony Towns
g the code written? I'm going to keep plodding away at my code, if you (sing/plural, take your pick) want to work on that too, feel free to bug me either on this list, -devel, or by private email. Cheers, aj, who might add that he sees voting as a quick and easy way of ignoring

Re: new release process (package pool) being proposed

1999-10-26 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Oct 25, 1999 at 07:37:55AM -0700, Robert Jones wrote: > Quoth Anthony Towns on 25 Oct, 1999: (Saith?) > [ Disclaimer: I am not a Debian developer yet, due to the new-maintainer *sigh* > > First, proposals without code are pointless. They're fun and all to > >

Re: Proposal: incremental release process (the package pool)

1999-10-28 Thread Anthony Towns
eans finding some way of choosing which packages should be in which Packages file. Currently we use dpkg-scanpackages and physically move files around (ie, this is yet more scripts to be written). Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don&

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-02 Thread Anthony Towns
the same message that details what those activities probably ought to be. If there's been some misunderstandings in the past, how about we clear them up, rather than try to work out whose fault it was? Yeesh. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-03 Thread Anthony Towns
I do? Restate your objections in public? (Forward the appropriate mails from -private to -project?) Become a member of n-m and subvert it from within? (Under the `those what do the work make the rules' theory) Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.o

Re: Stop Debian/FreeBSD

1999-11-19 Thread Anthony Towns
So the BSD folks aren't part of the free software community? You're insane. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. PGP encrypted mail preferred. ``The thing is: trying to

Re: Stop Debian/FreeBSD

1999-11-20 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 19, 1999 at 01:55:10PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 1999 at 10:06:18PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > Please, people, if you have not thought through the ramifications of > > > what you are trying to do, take a st

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-11-01 Thread Anthony Towns
stitution will rap us on the knuckles? Bad developers. Naughty. Feh. This doesn't do anything to address the real issue (getting new-maintainers back on its feet), and only seems to give people something to point to when whining about how everyone else isn't doing everything for them. We&#

Testing Distribution

1999-12-11 Thread Anthony Towns
. Cheers, aj [0] http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00060.html [1] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/testing-19991211.tgz -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG encrypted mail prefer

Re: Testing Distribution

1999-12-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 12:37:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > You may or may not have seen or remember me talking a while ago about a > `testing' distribution. I wanted it to fit somewhere between `stable' > and `unstable', and be automatically populated from package

Re: Proposed change to Debian constitution

1999-12-30 Thread Anthony Towns
he problem (which has not been forthcoming) or the There aren't enough people doing work. The people who understand how to get this right are busy. Saying `hey, you suck at new-maintainering' and other junk isn't exactly the best way to encourage them to work on it, either. Cheer

Re: Testing Distribution

2000-01-02 Thread Anthony Towns
for `debian popularity-contest' on google turns it up first go. *sigh* Lovely search engine. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/> I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG encrypted mail preferred. ``The thing is: trying to be to

Re: Testing Distribution

2000-02-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 12:14:42AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Dec 12, 1999 at 12:37:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Continuing my quest to see how many times I can reply to myself... > > You may or may not have seen or remember me talking a while ago about a >

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