Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland
I agree with Russ that your framing of this is absolutely abhorrent. Your continued justification of it is digging a bigger hole. I beg you, please take a step back and reconsider your approach here before continuing along these lines. I actually have concerns about Norbert's blog being removed f

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 21/12/18 00:48, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:18:51PM +, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> If people want to pursue an anti-harassment objective in good faith, >> then please start by realizing the existing team and their approach >> needs careful examination, they need to make it

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 21 Dec 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > Thank you for illustrating so well why Daniel's words were spot on. Your > response is exactly why censorship must not be tolerated in Debian. Such a message is not constructive and actually hurts any further discussion. First of all, while it may

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Russ, dear Daniel. Russ Allbery - 21.12.18, 00:46: > > Having been rear ended by a utility van, thrown off a motorbike half > > way across a roundabout and having also received abusive and > > threatening messages from people within the Debian community, I > > feel that the physical pain caus

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Chris Lamb
Daniel Pocock wrote: > the DPL became frustrated, started making disparaging comments to > other people about my competence and I feel he has become increasingly > vindictive towards me in private. A-H have seen some of that and done > nothing to intervene. […] > If this project, through its leade

Re: Censorship in Debian

2018-12-21 Thread Geert Stappers
[ ... ] > started making disparaging comments to other people about my > competence and I feel he has become increasingly vindictive towards me > in private. A-H have seen some of that and done nothing to intervene. Consider to send proof of it to -private@ldo. Your fellow DD who would l