On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 01:08:06PM +, Ben Pinson wrote:
Hi, Ben
first of all, this mailing list is more for the project's coordination.
Your questions will get more and better answers in debian-user (I set
the followup to there).
Now to your questions:
> 1.
> Do you offer any live USBs fo
Am Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 11:06:54AM + schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> On February 23, 2022 8:50:58 AM UTC, Andreas Tille wrote:
> >Am Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 12:06:17AM -0500 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
> >>
> >> Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution.
> >> I
> >> th
On February 23, 2022 8:50:58 AM UTC, Andreas Tille wrote:
>Am Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 12:06:17AM -0500 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
>>
>> Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution.
>> I
>> think every non-government job I've had had a discipline process that went:
>
Am Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 12:06:17AM -0500 schrieb Scott Kitterman:
>
> Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution. I
> think every non-government job I've had had a discipline process that went:
>
> 1. Verbal warning.
> 2. Written warning.
> 3. You're fired.
In
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 11:59:21PM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
[...]
> And, as I already told too in other mail threads that you are quite
> efficient at interpreting what people wrote to you the worst possible
> way [...]
> Whether it's intentional or not, I'm still wondering, although t
Felix Lechner wrote on 21/02/2022 at 19:10:08+0100:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM Russ Allbery wrote:
>>
>> Right now, you are doing exactly what Enrico described: creating
>> conflict where there was none.
>
> I think you are blowing it out of proportion. There is no conflict but
On Monday, February 21, 2022 4:09:37 PM EST Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
> Scott> OTOH, I think a DAM warning for a single instance of someone
> Scott> losing their temper and calling someone an unfortunate name
> Scott> is like ringing a doorbell with
> "Scott" == Scott Kitterman writes:
Scott> OTOH, I think a DAM warning for a single instance of someone
Scott> losing their temper and calling someone an unfortunate name
Scott> is like ringing a doorbell with a sledge hammer.
I strongly agree. And I understand why it is that y
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:03 PM Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 5:24:47 PM EST Sam Hartman wrote:
> > > "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
> > In the interest of full disclosure, I no longer have any affiliation
> > with DAM.
> >
> > Felix> With regard to disciplina
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 01:08:42PM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> OTOH, I think a DAM warning for a single instance of someone losing their
> temper and calling someone an unfortunate name is like ringing a doorbell
> with
> a sledge hammer. If that's now the standard for threatening removal,
On Monday, February 21, 2022 1:05:04 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
> Felix Lechner writes:
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:38 AM Enrico Zini wrote:
> >> Then you need to start taking responsibility for creating conflict when
> >> there was none, which is sadly something I see as a recurring pattern
>
Felix Lechner writes:
> Your statement is the opposite of what I felt. In fact, I asked for the
> circumstances to be published on debian-private. It was calming to me,
> so your interpretation is not correct.
Thank you for the correction! I'm sorry for having misunderstood you.
You'd made othe
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 10:06 AM Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> Right now, you are doing exactly what Enrico described: creating
> conflict where there was none.
I think you are blowing it out of proportion. There is no conflict but
a diversity of opinion.
Kind regards
Felix Lechner
On Monday, February 21, 2022 12:33:55 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
> Scott Kitterman writes:
> > The reason it feels like a threat of expulsion is precisely because it
> > is a threat of expulsion. The minimal possible solution to people
> > feeling threatened would be to not threaten them. That m
Felix Lechner writes:
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:38 AM Enrico Zini wrote:
>> Then you need to start taking responsibility for creating conflict when
>> there was none, which is sadly something I see as a recurring pattern
>> in the way you participate in Debian interactions.
>> Is this somethi
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:06 AM Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> That is precisely the opposite of what I meant.
Thank you for clarifying.
> What I'm trying to express is that the warning *entirely reasonably* made
> you feel shamed and attacked for a number of reasons, including the fact
> that it
Marc Haber writes:
> But please don't forget that a person vanishing from a heated discussion
> just in a whim creates the feeling of victory in the orht discussion
> parties.
> And I KNOW what I would do as participant of a heated discussion after
> receiving a DAM warning.
I think the way you
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 08:51:51AM -0800, Felix Lechner wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:29 AM Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >
> > This is getting worrying. Russ expressed sympathy about the bad
> > effects that warnings could have on people, and you've somehow
> > misinterpreted that as a direct atta
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:38 AM Enrico Zini wrote:
>
> Then you need to start taking responsibility for creating conflict when
> there was none, which is sadly something I see as a recurring pattern in
> the way you participate in Debian interactions.
>
> Is this something you'd acknowledge a
Scott Kitterman writes:
> The reason it feels like a threat of expulsion is precisely because it
> is a threat of expulsion. The minimal possible solution to people
> feeling threatened would be to not threaten them. That may not be
> enough, but that would be a first step. Focusing on the fee
On February 21, 2022 5:02:37 PM UTC, Russ Allbery wrote:
>Felix Lechner writes:
>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> Or, let me put this another way: one of the fears that I've seen
>>> expressed around warnings is that it's a permanent record sort of
>>> thing, or it
Felix Lechner writes:
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Or, let me put this another way: one of the fears that I've seen
>> expressed around warnings is that it's a permanent record sort of
>> thing, or it starts a file on someone, or otherwise creates a
>> presumption of
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:29 AM Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
> This is getting worrying. Russ expressed sympathy about the bad
> effects that warnings could have on people, and you've somehow
> misinterpreted that as a direct attack on you.
Thank you, but despite your condescending tone I retain
Felix...
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 07:25:46AM -0800, Felix Lechner wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Russ Allbery wrote:
>>
>> Or, let me put this another way: one of the fears that I've seen expressed
>> around warnings is that it's a permanent record sort of thing, or it
>> starts a file o
On 2022/02/21 16:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
On February 21, 2022 12:56:43 PM UTC, Jonathan Carter wrote:
On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree. A
DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path to suspe
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Russ Allbery wrote:
>
> Or, let me put this another way: one of the fears that I've seen expressed
> around warnings is that it's a permanent record sort of thing, or it
> starts a file on someone, or otherwise creates a presumption of future bad
> behavior.
On February 21, 2022 12:56:43 PM UTC, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree.
>> A DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path to suspension or
>> expulsion. I don't have
On 2022/02/21 14:40, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I didn't intend to communicate that it was a final step. I think we agree. A
DAM warning, as you said, indicates someone is on a path to suspension or
expulsion. I don't have a problem with this. What bothers me is trying to
pretend it's somethin
On February 21, 2022 11:33:07 AM UTC, Jonathan Carter wrote:
>On 2022/02/21 07:06, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution.
>
>I don't believe that's quite accurate, a DAM warning isn't necessarily
>meant as a final warning, it's a la
On 2022/02/21 07:06, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Currently a DAM warning is a suspension/expulsion with deferred execution.
I don't believe that's quite accurate, a DAM warning isn't necessarily
meant as a final warning, it's a larger prod for an individual to course
correct their behaviour.
If
On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 09:18:15AM +0100, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Russ Allbery wrote on 21/02/2022 at 07:30:48+0100:
> > BTW, also on that front, I think that announcing DAM warnings to the
> > project is a serious mistake. I understand the thought process that went
> > into that decision,
Sam Hartman wrote:
> I think phrasing this in terms of justice and rights for keeping
governments accountable is likely to get a knee-jerk reaction from a
number of people who do not want to think of things that.
> It's fairly clear to a number of us that maintaining standards of a
private comm
Russ Allbery wrote:
> We need a careful and slow process for kicking someone out of the project
because that's a big deal. Having a careful and slow process for issuing
a warning is faintly absurd,
I see your point and to some extent I agree -- but if repeated
warnings then become grounds for bei
Russ Allbery wrote on 21/02/2022 at 07:30:48+0100:
> BTW, also on that front, I think that announcing DAM warnings to the
> project is a serious mistake. I understand the thought process that went
> into that decision, but I really don't agree with it. The effect is to
> make someone feel attac
Scott Kitterman writes:
> I think that makes sense, but I think it's really pretty much the same
> thing. The "perceived authority" that means people treat feedback from
> DAM differently is the authority to suspend or expell. Ultimately and
> unavoidably, a DAM warning comes with an undercurre
On February 21, 2022 5:32:35 AM UTC, Russ Allbery wrote:
>Scott Kitterman writes:
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> I guess the other possibility is that people really want warnings to be
>>> way more serious than any meaning I personally would ascribe t
Scott Kitterman writes:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I guess the other possibility is that people really want warnings to be
>> way more serious than any meaning I personally would ascribe to the
>> word "warning" and are thinking of them as formal project
On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sam Hartman writes:
> > Figuring out how to accomplish requesting a statement is a little
> > tricky, but I think it is worth the effort. DAM takes membership
> > actions (including warnings) by consensus. It's fairly difficult t
On Sunday, February 20, 2022 5:24:47 PM EST Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
> In the interest of full disclosure, I no longer have any affiliation
> with DAM.
>
> Felix> With regard to disciplinary proceedings, however, Debian has
> Felix> a long way to go in i
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
Russ> Sam Hartman writes:
Russ> I dunno, I realize I may be being too cavalier here, but see
Russ> the point above about making more decisions, faster, and
Russ> accepting a few mistakes. If we end up with a rash of bogus
Russ> warnings,
Sam Hartman writes:
> Figuring out how to accomplish requesting a statement is a little
> tricky, but I think it is worth the effort. DAM takes membership
> actions (including warnings) by consensus. It's fairly difficult to get
> all the members of DAM together.
> I don't think it would work
> "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
Felix> Alas, I'll venture that the folks whose opinions you consider
Felix> superior have never been punished.
The word punished implies a framing of the problem I personally reject.
But if for example you'd consider being banned from the BTS a
puni
Felix Lechner wrote on 20/02/2022 at 23:42:31+0100:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sam Hartman wrote:
>>
>> A number of people over the years have talked about embodying some of
>> the processes and protections of a trial in community management actions
>> in Debian. That has includ
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> A number of people over the years have talked about embodying some of
> the processes and protections of a trial in community management actions
> in Debian. That has included ideas like having the project as a whole
> decide/affirm the
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:43 PM David wrote:
> Hi, my name is David and I'm a 17 years old student from Austria.
Welcome!
Please keep Debian in mind if you decide to join the Google Summer of
Code program when you reach university. GSoC is the main paid
internship program for Free Software and Op
Hi David,
Davide's reply is great and I second that.
Like him, I'm not a developer, so I won't directly reply to your questions.
But I'd like to add a few suggestions.
If you're familiar with IRC, you might have some luck getting an answer in
there. Additionally, you can get involved with the co
Hi David,
On 09/03/21 14:35, David wrote:
Hi, my name is David and I'm a 17 years old student from Austria
I'm a normal Debian user.
I have to write a VWA (Vorwissenschaftliche Arbeit)
it's a work you have to write to finish school. I'm
writing about homenetworks with Open Source and free
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 03:46:42PM +0200, Mahmoud Elmowafey wrote:
> Hi
> I have some Questions that are hard to find on internet
> what is Debians function, program language
> Debian and Raspberry Pi,
> How does it work and why did raspberry chose debian as their official
> language for Raspberry
On 03/03/16 20:47, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> At Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:29:32 +0100,
> Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>
>> On 03/03/16 19:16, martin f krafft wrote:
>>> also sprach Daniel Pocock [2016-03-03 15:18
>>> +0100]:
Why wouldn't people also potentially volunteer some time for
portfolio manag
At Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:29:32 +0100,
Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
> On 03/03/16 19:16, martin f krafft wrote:
> > also sprach Daniel Pocock [2016-03-03 15:18
> > +0100]:
> >> Why wouldn't people also potentially volunteer some time for
> >> portfolio management?
> >
> > I'd consider this a really bad i
On 03/03/16 19:16, martin f krafft wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> as I said before, you raise points that are (a) mostly valid and
> (b) not new. I don't want to discuss this without concrete steps
> coming of it, and all you ever do is ask questions.
>
> Allow me to refute your point about portfolio man
Daniel,
as I said before, you raise points that are (a) mostly valid and (b)
not new. I don't want to discuss this without concrete steps coming
of it, and all you ever do is ask questions.
Allow me to refute your point about portfolio management though, and
offer two ideas about alternative uses
also sprach Martin Wuertele [2016-03-03 14:06 +0100]:
> Greenpeace internationl: IFRS for SME
> Medecins Sans Frontieres: IFRS
> Human Rights Watch: US GAAP
> WWF: UK GAAP
> Human Rights Watch: US GAAP
Apart from their non-profit nature, all of these are run like
businesses, employ hundreds of pe
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On 02/03/16 11:38, martin f krafft wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> the points you bring up are hardly new. You are also mostly
> talking about keeping books, not auditing.
>
> The biggest problem with keeping books seems to be that it's a
> merciless and bo
* martin f krafft [2016-03-03 13:22]:
(...)
> In my opinion, neither a balance sheet nor a P&L statement make any
> sense and would be far too difficult to create and maintain. We
> wouldn't even know what standard to us. IFRS? US-GAAP? Neither of
> those are particularly applicable to an organi
Daniel,
the points you bring up are hardly new. You are also mostly talking
about keeping books, not auditing.
The biggest problem with keeping books seems to be that it's
a merciless and boring job, but one that needs to be done without fail
(or else it's about as useful as not doing it at all).
On 02/03/16 10:09, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I've created links from the audit team's wiki to those pages.
>
> The auditor team doesn't have anything to do with approving use of
> Debian money, that is the DPL's job.
>
Should that jus
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Thanks, I've created links from the audit team's wiki to those pages.
The auditor team doesn't have anything to do with approving use of
Debian money, that is the DPL's job.
--
bye,
pabs
https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
On 02/03/16 09:43, Paul Wise wrote:
> I'm not on the auditor team but...
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>> a) the wiki links to different trust organizations, each of them publish
>> their own accounting records from time to time. My understanding of the
>> delegati
I'm not on the auditor team but...
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> a) the wiki links to different trust organizations, each of them publish
> their own accounting records from time to time. My understanding of the
> delegation[2] is that the audit team should pull in the d
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> - imho it might be useful for the event box to have some table
> cover or a runner with a Debian logo.
I currently have a largish banner with Debian and the logo which goes
behind a booth, and two smaller banners which can be attached to the
t
> > installer, but we also have already working solutions (e.g. blends)
> > for a field-specific representation of Debian.
> In the ideal world that would be the case, but we don't live in an ideal
> world.
"we" might not -- but I do:
http://neuro.debian.net
http://www.debian.org/de
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> It is nice indeed but not quite the message I wanted to deliver...
>
> I had more of
>
> http://www.onerussian.com/tmp/distro-ecosystem-new2012.svg
>
> in mind ;) Having hundreds of nice derivatives with a well setup
> workflow Zack ill
Hi Luca,
It seems I have forgotten to thank you -- Thank you! ;)
> If you drop debian-publicity@ (but you should not, Events stuff are
> discussed there), please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to debian-project@.
So I kept publicity and project in addresses for now
> I added it to the Events page,
Hi there!
If you drop debian-publicity@ (but you should not, Events stuff are
discussed there), please Cc: me, I am not subscribed to debian-project@.
On Sat, 25 Feb 2012 18:06:14 +0100, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> I am going to attend http://northeastlinuxfest.org (Saturday March 17,
> 2012) whi
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 01:40:13PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Tue,07.Jul.09, 15:59:10, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
>
> > P. S. I'd request someone who knows more than me to please write an
> > FAQ answer for "Why does Ubuntu have/do/... but not Debian? When will
> > Debian have it?..." type quest
On Tue,07.Jul.09, 15:59:10, Kumar Appaiah wrote:
> P. S. I'd request someone who knows more than me to please write an
> FAQ answer for "Why does Ubuntu have/do/... but not Debian? When will
> Debian have it?..." type question.
Something like this?
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#pac
<2f7aa8780907071318v36bf6c66m721843817883a...@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:18:43PM +0200, Kees de Jong wrote:
> I'm a satisfied Debian user for almost a year now. But a week ago I tried
> Ubuntu 9.04 and I discovered the features of the 2.6.28 kernel and the
> features of Gnome 2.26
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:18:43PM +0200, Kees de Jong wrote:
> I'm a satisfied Debian user for almost a year now. But a week ago I tried
> Ubuntu 9.04 and I discovered the features of the 2.6.28 kernel and the
> features of Gnome 2.26 and I was impressed.
>
> So my question is pretty straightforw
On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 10:38:47PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 07 juillet 2009 à 22:18 +0200, Kees de Jong a écrit :
> > So my question is pretty straightforward; are there plans to introduce
> > these two great enhancements into the Debian project?
>
> No. We’ve decided that lenny
Le mardi 07 juillet 2009 à 22:18 +0200, Kees de Jong a écrit :
> So my question is pretty straightforward; are there plans to introduce
> these two great enhancements into the Debian project?
No. We’ve decided that lenny would be our last release.
> And if they are when can I expect them? I've t
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 08:18:02AM -0500, Dori wrote:
> I was hoping it would be embedded within the .deb files but apparently
> it is not.
Every official Debian package ships with a file
/usr/share/doc//copyright which details the license and
copyright information.
--
Jonathan Wiltshire
PGP/G
On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 08:32:21PM -0800, Vyacheslav Afanasyev wrote:
> Hi!
> I want try Debian Linux and if it be like me - I will change my OS into it
> from
> Windows.
>
> So, I creating some web sites and may put ad for this OS then as free.
>
> Please let me know more info about useful of D
Hi,
this is maybe a bit off-topic here, but as the notion of "hats" have become
quite popular in Debian in the last two years or so, I want to comment on
this.
On Sunday 04 March 2007 19:57, Kalle Kivimaa wrote:
> My belief is that the DPL hat is something you can take off.
Yes. But if the ot
Joey Hess wrote:
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
I think what we need to do is create some kind of meta-package that
would pull in a full environment like what is installed by Ubuntu (which
I know has been discussed in the past) and then offer an official
"Debian Desktop" CD that would have D-I
Benjamin Seidenberg wrote:
> I think what we need to do is create some kind of meta-package that
> would pull in a full environment like what is installed by Ubuntu (which
> I know has been discussed in the past) and then offer an official
> "Debian Desktop" CD that would have D-I preconfigured
David N. Welton wrote:
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
Debian needs to learn to re-integrate the
improvements from derived distributions and would get a long way just
doing that. On top of that there should not be a problem becoming
more innovative ourselfs - there are enough cool problems to
solve.
]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:44 AM
To: Andrew Swerdlow
Cc: debian-project@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: questions
Andrew Swerdlow wrote:
> Hi I just have a few questions, which I could not quite find on the web
> site.
>
> 1) how many active developer work on debian?
http://d
On Friday 03 June 2005 09.19, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > 2) How can I contribute code to the project? (what is the process)
>
> Read mailing lists for a month or so, perhaps contribute bug fixes.
> Apply through the Debian New Maintainer process: look at www.debian.org
> and check out the Develop
Andrew Swerdlow wrote:
> Hi I just have a few questions, which I could not quite find on the web
> site.
>
> 1) how many active developer work on debian?
http://db.debian.org/
> 2) How can I contribute code to the project? (what is the process)
http://www.debian.org/devel/join/
> 3) what is t
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:18:52PM -0700, Andrew Swerdlow wrote:
> Hi I just have a few questions, which I could not quite find on the web
> site.
>
> 1) how many active developer work on debian?
>
Round about 1000, spread worldwide. [A few are relatively inactive,
there is always an amount of m
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 05:23:17PM +0200, Michel Deriaz wrote:
> - How many mirror servers do you rely on for the distribution of your
> Linux distributions, and how many belong to you?
See http://www.debian.org/mirror/list for a full list of public mirrors.
As far as I know, no mirrors are under
Michel Deriaz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am working on a research project on dependency and consistency
> management related to the distribution of large-scale open-source software.
>
> I have a couple of short questions, that you might be able to help me with.
>
> - How many mirror servers do you r
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