Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-28 Thread Felix Lechner
Hi, On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 08:26:45AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > I find that as the world has evolved, and as CoCs > have become more important for treating people (and not just > communications) with respect, the requirements for what we as a > community need to do have changed. Yes, the wor

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-23 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: >> First, in matters of behavior, the meta issues can explicitly create >> situations where people do not feel welcome. >> We had a thread in December where people argued that using people's >> pronouns was optional. As a community we need

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-23 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 08:26:45AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > TL;DR: I think we need a team to focus training and skill sharing even > if we try and drive community wide change. > I try to explore when splitting off meta issues is a good idea. > > > "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: >

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-23 Thread Sam Hartman
TL;DR: I think we need a team to focus training and skill sharing even if we try and drive community wide change. I try to explore when splitting off meta issues is a good idea. > "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> I don't think any of the above is something that can be done b

Re: Bits from the DPL For December 2019

2020-01-22 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Sam, On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 02:29:31PM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > Seeking Volunteers for Deescalation > === > > While discussing the role of the Community Team, I talked about my > desire for the community team to help deescalate conflict. I used the > dread

Re: Bits from the DPL for November 2019

2019-12-03 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Sean" == Sean Whitton writes: >> >> But right now, I don't think we're focused on Git packaging; at >> least I know that's not my current focus. Sean> Can I suggest that we delay this further, to February, say, or Sean> even to March? I think that it might be a conte

Re: Bits from the DPL for November 2019

2019-12-03 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Sam, On Mon 02 Dec 2019 at 09:23PM -05, Sam Hartman wrote: > Git Packaging > = > > We received enough comments and I believe we have a rough consensus > supporting the discussion so far. [1] [2] > > [1]: > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/tslv9t0uj2x@suchdamage.org

Re: Bits from the DPL (April 2019)

2019-06-17 Thread Chris Lamb
[email originally to debian-devel-announce@ → replying to -project] Sam Hartman wrote: > Community Meetings and Papercuts […] > The second idea is Jonathan's project to collect the top hundred > paper cuts that slow down Debian development. He's going to work on > collecting small issues that ge

Re: Bits from the DPL (April 2018)

2018-05-15 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Sean Whitton [2018-04-30 17:30]: > > * Ensuring the continuity of Debian's LWN [9] subscription. > > I noticed that name of the group subscription no longer contains > "HPE-sponsored" (or whatever it was before). > > Are we now funding that group subscription from our own funds? I believe la

Re: Bits from the DPL (April 2018)

2018-05-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Sean Whitton wrote: > I noticed that name of the group subscription no longer contains > "HPE-sponsored" (or whatever it was before). > > Are we now funding that group subscription from our own funds? The membership benefits wiki page needs updating with the new in

Re: Bits from the DPL (April 2018)

2018-04-30 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, [to -project in case others were wondering] On Mon, Apr 30 2018, Chris Lamb wrote: > * Ensuring the continuity of Debian's LWN [9] subscription. I noticed that name of the group subscription no longer contains "HPE-sponsored" (or whatever it was before). Are we now funding that group s

Re: Bits from the DPL -- 2016Q4

2017-01-10 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Hi Charles, Sorry for not replying earlier. I didn't see your question. On 08/01/2017 07:28, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 01:19:45AM +0100, Mehdi Dogguy a écrit : >> >> During the conference, I scheduled a few talks/BoF sessions: >> - The customary &

Re: Bits from the DPL -- 2016Q4

2017-01-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 01:19:45AM +0100, Mehdi Dogguy a écrit : > > During the conference, I scheduled a few talks/BoF sessions: > - The customary "bits from the DPL" talk [1] > - "Debian from 10,000 feet" BoF [2], co-organized with Lucas Nussbaum > - Roadmap

Re: Bits from the DPL -- April-May 2016

2016-05-20 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 20/05/16 20:55, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > Hi Emilio, > > On 20/05/2016 20:11, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: >> Hi Mehdi, >> >> First of all, congrats for the election! >> > > Thanks! > >> On 17/05/16 18:57, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: >>> Assets >>> == >>> - Approved expenses for MiniDebConf at Vienn

Re: Bits from the DPL -- April-May 2016

2016-05-20 Thread Mehdi Dogguy
Hi Emilio, On 20/05/2016 20:11, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Hi Mehdi, > > First of all, congrats for the election! > Thanks! > On 17/05/16 18:57, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: >> Assets >> == >> - Approved expenses for MiniDebConf at Vienna, Austria. (Up to 3000€) > > Out of curiosity, what was

Re: Bits from the DPL -- April-May 2016

2016-05-20 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Hi Mehdi, First of all, congrats for the election! On 17/05/16 18:57, Mehdi Dogguy wrote: > Assets > == > - Approved expenses for MiniDebConf at Vienna, Austria. (Up to 3000€) Out of curiosity, what was this used/intended for? I couldn't find a mail on debian-sprints explaining the request,

Re: bits from the DPL -- December 2013

2014-01-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/01/14 at 10:22 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > - [bgupta] work with SPI to enable donations via paypal > > Note that Debian France has planned to setup that for the Debian project. > > It would be a small change on this page: > https://france.d

Re: bits from the DPL -- December 2013

2014-01-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > - [bgupta] work with SPI to enable donations via paypal Note that Debian France has planned to setup that for the Debian project. It would be a small change on this page: https://france.debian.net/galette/plugins/galette-plugin-paypal/paypal_form.php

Re: Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-20 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > a debate. There is no debate here, just a bad suggestion from someone who has been annoying Debian for years and is banned from the BTS control bot due to this. -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-16 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 08:51:15PM -0400, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > >Thanks for bringing this up, our ITS definitely needs love. I >investigated the ITS team in 2010 and found it was already broken >(although one member disagreed with that assessment, qualifying the >team's status as "fine"). The m

Re: Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 09:38:31AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Please don't switch bugs.debian.org away from debbugs. I don't want to > have to leave the Debian project but some misguided folks doing that > would be one of the triggers for that. Please don't threaten/ransom your labour to push one o

Re: Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise writes: > Please don't switch bugs.debian.org away from debbugs. I don't want to > have to leave the Debian project but some misguided folks doing that > would be one of the triggers for that. None of the other bug tracking > systems have anywhere near the amount of features or usabilit

Re: Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > However, I am not convinced that development of bugs.debian.org should go > through Debbugs development. Unfortunately, I am not an ITS-s expert, and I > can't recommend a particular engine. There are many free ITS engines, some > of which

Help bringing bugs.debian.org / debbugs back on track (Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013)

2013-10-15 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Lucas, On 2013-10-09 01:58, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Hi, Here is my monthly report for September 2013 (+ the beginning of October). Let's also use this opportunity to call for help on two key parts of our infrastructure. [...] Call for help: debbugs developers ===

Re: bits from the DPL -- September 2013

2013-10-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On 09-10-13 07:58, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > other > - Debian Code of Conduct (C: http://deb.li/3wRWh N: iterate with a new > version?) Yes, indeed. Unfortunately, since debconf, I've been extremely swamped with work, which is why no further updates on this point have been forthcoming from m

Re: Why LGPLv3/CC-by-sa-v3.0 for the logo? [was: Re: bits from the DPL: August 2012]

2012-09-12 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Sep 09, 2012 at 09:31:41PM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: > I am following up to your August bits from the DPL, since I still have > to understand why it was suggested to dual license the Open Use Logo > "with Debian" under LGPLv3+ / CC-by-sa-v3.0. > > I have

Why LGPLv3/CC-by-sa-v3.0 for the logo? [was: Re: bits from the DPL: August 2012]

2012-09-09 Thread Francesco Poli
o decouple > logo relicensing under LGPLv3/CC-BY-SA 3.0 from the finalization of a > new trademark policy (see above). I've also verified that the license > choice is fine with teams that regularly deal with the logos. [...] Stefano, I am following up to your August bits fr

Re: (overlapping) bits from the DPL: April 2012

2012-06-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("(overlapping) bits from the DPL: April 2012"): I'm also discussing > with tech-ctte members [15] the possibility of having periodic ctte > meetings; the idea is to ensure that outstanding issues are periodically > reassessed, improving the

Re: Long-term hardware replacement planning (Re: (deferred) bits from the DPL: March 2012)

2012-04-18 Thread Luca Filipozzi
Where "OLD" means that the hardware in question is older (often much older) than five years and for which a post-warranty hardware support agreement may not be available or is unreasonably expensive. Goal #1 is consolidation. The goal is to make greater use of virtual machines hosted on a smaller

Re: Long-term hardware replacement planning (Re: (deferred) bits from the DPL: March 2012)

2012-04-18 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Tollef Fog Heen > ]] Filipus Klutiero > > > Great. Is this plan written? If so, it would be a good idea to make it > > available. > > I'll see what we can get done. There's a bit of cleanup to be done, > since we don't want to publish all the information from our spreadsheet > of doom. It

Re: Long-term hardware replacement planning (Re: (deferred) bits from the DPL: March 2012)

2012-04-17 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Filipus Klutiero > Great. Is this plan written? If so, it would be a good idea to make it > available. I'll see what we can get done. There's a bit of cleanup to be done, since we don't want to publish all the information from our spreadsheet of doom. It contains quotes and numbers from ven

Long-term hardware replacement planning (Re: (deferred) bits from the DPL: March 2012)

2012-04-17 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hi Stefano, On 2012-04-15 14:19, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: [...] Highlight: long-term hardware replacement planning == The highlight for this month is long term planning of hardware replacement. It's something I've been discussing with DSA for q

Re: private email aliases considered harmful (Re: bits from the DPL for September 2011)

2011-11-19 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 01:13:46PM -0500, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > I believe the first thing to do is to make project leadership > transparent. For as long as the constitution will give it such a > crucial role, and as long as it will be so low on resources compared > to the project's size, the te

Re: private email aliases considered harmful (Re: bits from the DPL for September 2011)

2011-11-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 08 Nov 2011, Filipus Klutiero wrote: > I had several problems with the BTS a few years ago. The main > contact point for the BTS being a private email alias, Just as a side note, anyone who can log into a Debian machine and who actually wants to read the mail to ow...@bugs.debian.org can d

private email aliases considered harmful (Re: bits from the DPL for September 2011)

2011-11-08 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Le 2011-10-09 09:48, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : [...] - I've made the "private email aliases considered harmful" point [10], in a somehow unrelated thread. I ask you to watch out for interactions in Debian that could happen only through private email addresses. There are some cases wh

Re: Bits from the DPL

2009-01-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Steve McIntyre [Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:08:39 +]: > Declassification of debian-private archives > --- > Back in December 2005, we agreed in a GR [16] that we should start > declassifying (at least some of) the contents of the debian-private > mailing list

Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 00:06:19 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Lenny is not yet the stable release of Debian. Everything you are > looking for will be available when Lenny will replace Etch. > It'll be too late for upgrade testing then… People doing that need preliminary release notes now. Che

Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:38:35PM +0100, Keith Edmunds a écrit : > > I'm really sorry to trouble you directly as I'm sure you have better > things to do than reply to mails such as this; however, I'd like to help > test the Etch -> Lenny upgrade, but I can't find the Lenny release notes > (partic

Re: Bits from the DPL

2008-10-04 Thread Keith Edmunds
Hi Steve > the more installation and upgrade testing we can do now, the > better. I'm really sorry to trouble you directly as I'm sure you have better things to do than reply to mails such as this; however, I'd like to help test the Etch -> Lenny upgrade, but I can't find the Lenny release notes

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread MJ Ray
Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On lun, 2008-02-25 at 23:53 +, MJ Ray wrote: > > Many countries still sometimes have > > heads of state and government from opposing political views (French > > "cohabitation") and it puts the brakes on the more radical reforms, > > but the fifth r

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-26 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-02-25 at 17:54 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sorry for not having the time to read that thread, but just a quick idea: > > how about keeping yearly elections and introduce a 2 year period of the DPL > > in that way, that the new electe

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On lun, 2008-02-25 at 23:53 +, MJ Ray wrote: > Many countries still sometimes have > heads of state and government from opposing political views (French > "cohabitation") and it puts the brakes on the more radical reforms, > but the fifth republic (for example) hasn't fallen yet. President and

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > DDs, if you were DPL_n, would you be willing to moderate your changes > if an opposing DPL_n+1 was elected? It would depends of what reasons DPL_n+1 give for it. Personally I do think that this would be a nice thing since would allow two persons to boost the

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread MJ Ray
John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon February 25 2008 2:29:27 pm Ingo Juergensmann wrote: [...] > > how about keeping yearly elections and introduce a 2 year period of the > > DPL in that way, that the new elected DPL is second in charge (2IC) [...] > > From a pure human nature standpoi

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Florian Weimer
* Tollef Fog Heen: > Maybe not, but plushy toys is something I feel this project is > seriously lacking in. I don't know how well a plushy swirl would > work. It would probably look a bit like a turd, especially if the color is somewhat off. So not such a good idea, I guess. Pillows might work

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon February 25 2008 2:29:27 pm Ingo Juergensmann wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:01:31PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On ma, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, David Moreno wrote: > > > IMHO, the DPL position should have less showcase and more time to get > > > some real work done during time (

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Otavio Salvador
Ingo Juergensmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:01:31PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On ma, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, David Moreno wrote: >> > IMHO, the DPL position should have less showcase and more time to get >> > some real work done during time (say, two years,

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Ingo Juergensmann
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:01:31PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On ma, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, David Moreno wrote: > > IMHO, the DPL position should have less showcase and more time to get > > some real work done during time (say, two years, since the free > > software and the technology world

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ma, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, David Moreno wrote: > IMHO, the DPL position should have less showcase and more time to get > some real work done during time (say, two years, since the free > software and the technology world changes drastically in short periods > of time). We already discussed

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Leo "costela" Antunes
Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > [1]OpenPuppets made a [2]"genie" for us. :-) > > 1. http://www.openpuppets.com/ > 2. http://www.openpuppets.com/fondos/8c.png I for one enjoy the openpuppets logo's line of thought, though not this particular rendition of it. Cheers -- Leo "coste

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Cyril Brulebois
On 25/02/2008, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > This time we did. And he's not running again! :-( But HE is running. :) -- Cyril Brulebois pgp4HfEX8qM3P.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread David Moreno
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably, yes, if we finally elect a DPL who will not fall silent > after three months in his term. That's what everybody sees, but no one knows for real, except for the DPL himself and cabal^Wpeople around him. The way I

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Marc Haber dijo [Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:59:29PM +0100]: > > > Being DPL does have an impact on your real life. If you are still > > > wondering whether to run, or have any personal questions, feel free to > > > ask me, I'll gladly share my experience. > > > > > > I'm still wondering if Debian

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 09:16:27AM -0500, David Moreno wrote: > On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > DPL elections > > - > > > > The new DPL term is in almost 2 months, but campaign starts next > > month [4]. I have already stated that I would no

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.25.1521 +0100]: >By the way: http://zoy.org/~sam/bisountu.jpeg Why are we Mr. Pink? -- .''`. martin f. krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduc

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24-02-2008 15:49, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: >>I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to >> the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > >At the various conferences I attended I have paid much attention to > > how other distributions and FOSS projects were promoting their work, and > > despite us often having t-shirts, stickers and posters like the others, > > we really miss a few t

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread David Moreno
On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DPL elections > - > > The new DPL term is in almost 2 months, but campaign starts next > month [4]. I have already stated that I would not run again, and haven't > changed my mind. As many, many Debian develope

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * martin f krafft > > | also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: > | >I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to > | > the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot for the Debian

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Am Sonntag, den 24.02.2008, 13:16 +0100 schrieb Sam Hocevar: > Marketing team > -- > >At the various conferences I attended I have paid much attention to > how other distributions and FOSS projects were promoting their work, and > despite us often having t-shirts, stickers and post

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:19:41AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Maybe not, but plushy toys is something I feel this project is > > seriously lacking in. > > seconded \o/ Full ack from me as well. A logo is something rather plain, and ours is not particularly "sexy" (though cool and rather

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:16:06AM +, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * martin f krafft > > | also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: > | >I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to > | > the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly m

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* martin f krafft | also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: | >I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to | > the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot for the Debian | > project (in a similar way to the Linux penguin or

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-25 Thread nic
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:16:28 +0100 Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I would like to set up a Debian Marketing Team, whose work would > be to organise all the promotional stuff (logos, t-shirt designs, > wallpapers, etc.) so that the project can officially endorse good > designs, and

Re: Bits from the DPL: FTP assistants, marketing team, init scripts, elections

2008-02-24 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.02.24.1316 +0100]: >I also would like to spend some Debian money on a contest, similar to > the FreeBSD logo contest [2], to create a friendly mascot for the Debian > project (in a similar way to the Linux penguin or the GNU gnu) In the free so

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sat, 03 Nov 2007, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: > > > (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) > > > > Eh, please scratch that bit between brackets. It's nonsense. > > I don't t

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi, Le samedi 03 novembre 2007 à 17:20 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit : > This is of course very, very nice and my congratulations to Peter. > However, you must excuse me for not sharing your enthusiasm, at least not to > the extend you seem to be feeling it. Please let people place their enthusiasm i

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:39:05PM +0100, Sam Hocevar wrote: > > Are there any other changes that have been agreed to by existing members to > > address those issues, or will we now just have a larger team with > > structural communication problems? > >This event has not cancelled anything e

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 05:32:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: > > (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) > > Eh, please scratch that bit between brackets. It's nonsense. I don't think it is nonsense - Phil was part of DSA for a long

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Sam Hocevar
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007, Frans Pop wrote: > Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to the > existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm group) is > going to resolve all the huge and structural communication problems between > team members that we h

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Frans Pop wrote: > Could you please explain in what way the addition of a single person to > the existing team (Phil already was DSA, even if not yet in the adm > group) is going to resolve all the huge and structural communication > problems between team members that

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Luk Claes
Frans Pop wrote: > On Saturday 03 November 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote: >> \o/ DSA++ \o/ > Your announcement is nice, and I'm sure it took a lot of hard work to get > this far, but I have serious doubts that it is enough. Some elaboration on > the way forward, including a word on that other team tha

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and a few other things

2007-11-03 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 03 November 2007, Sam Hocevar wrote: > \o/ DSA++ \o/ > - >I am very, very pleased to let you know that this morning Phil > Hands (fil) added Peter Palfrader (weasel) to the adm group. Which > means that the DSA team now has a new member! The first since, wow, > quite som

Re: Bits from the DPL

2007-04-28 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Heya, > I think that the herescript thing could be intersting for trivial > packages (./configure && make && make install), and the direct download > could be intersting if we want to provide an official way to handle > very big packages (think about the human genome, for instance). Project move

Re: Bits from the DPL

2007-04-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 11003 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote: > Another intersting thing in Fink is their way to build the pacakges: > they have sort of big control files with herescripts, and download the > upstream sources directly from upstream instead of shipping them. See > for instance: Such a thing is a nigh

Re: Bits from the DPL

2007-04-27 Thread David Moreno Garza
Sam Hocevar wrote: > Fink is > just a port of dpkg and does not have any link with Debian AFAIK but > its developers might be interested in both requesting/contributing new > features and learning about the dpkg developers' future plans. Yes, they are. Multiple Fink developers show interest when D

Re: Bits from the DPL

2007-04-27 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:08:52AM +0200, Sam Hocevar a écrit : > >I thought ipkg was interesting because it is a full rewrite > that addresses issues the embedded world has (such as the huge and > functionally unnecessary /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/man). Fink is > just a port of dpkg and d

Re: Bits from the DPL

2007-04-27 Thread Sam Hocevar
[moving to -project as I should have done with my original message] On Fri, Apr 27, 2007, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > >Matt Taggart proposed that dpkg developers meet in person during a > > dpkg summit[9] to talk about future dpkg development. The meeting would > > be sponsored at least by Debi

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-17 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:15:08PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: >On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:53:52AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >IMO setting up an RT system will not fundamentally solve any of this, but >> >will at most make it more manageable. The only way to solve this is by >> >having new blo

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:53:52AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >IMO setting up an RT system will not fundamentally solve any of this, but > >will at most make it more manageable. The only way to solve this is by > >having new blood in the teams, people who will take on the most boring > >and

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-15 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:09:12AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: >On Friday 23 February 2007 03:13, Anthony Towns wrote: >> I'm trying to be descriptive here rather than prescriptive or >> proscriptive [...] > >I appreciate the clear overview of the current status. I would also like >to say that I feel

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-13 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:09:12AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > So, basically my question remains: why does it have to be so incredibly > difficult to allow new members into these teams? Probably because fixing them requires spending a sufficient number of man-hours and a substantial amount of will

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Frans Pop wrote: [quoting http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/03/msg00062.html ] ... IMO setting up an RT system will not fundamentally solve any of this, but will at most make it more manageable. The only way to solve this is by having new blood in the teams, peopl

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-12 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:09:12AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > So, basically my question remains: why does it have to be so incredibly > difficult to allow new members into these teams? As opposed to joining the d-i team for example ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL P

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-12 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 23 February 2007 03:13, Anthony Towns wrote: > I'm trying to be descriptive here rather than prescriptive or > proscriptive [...] I appreciate the clear overview of the current status. I would also like to say that I feel the people currently holding positions in the various teams are

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-03-07 Thread Gustavo Noronha Silva
Em Sex, 2007-02-23 às 11:41 +0100, Marc Haber escreveu: > I feel that RT is not a silver bullet, and adresses a non-issue in my > opinion. I fear that its introduction will not help in solving the > pressing issue that makes people stop caring about things. While I agree that RT is no silver bulle

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-28 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 2/28/07, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10944 March 1977, Gustavo Franco wrote: >> I disagree. RT has a very flexible and complex ACL management which >> lacks in BTS. So it can be potentially used to to ensure public view of some >> information without full disclosure. > I know

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10944 March 1977, Gustavo Franco wrote: >> I disagree. RT has a very flexible and complex ACL management which >> lacks in BTS. So it can be potentially used to to ensure public view of some >> information without full disclosure. > I know and use RT daily. I've asked use-cases where we need to

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-28 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 10944 March 1977, Gustavo Franco wrote: >> I disagree. RT has a very flexible and complex ACL management which >> lacks in BTS. So it can be potentially used to to ensure public view of some >> information without full disclosure. > I know and use RT daily. I've asked use-cases where we need to

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-28 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 2/27/07, Francesco P. Lovergine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:06:47AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > Exactly Martin, if the plain is a publicly accessible interface to > track requests for DSA, we've our BTS! The "security" argument sells > the idea that a RT (not pub

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-27 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 10:06:47AM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > > Exactly Martin, if the plain is a publicly accessible interface to > track requests for DSA, we've our BTS! The "security" argument sells > the idea that a RT (not publicly accessible) would be better. That's > why #408150 wasn't

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-25 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 04:50:50PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Mark Brown wrote: > > You are assuming that the person sending the e-mail is aware that > > the information they are sending is going to end up publically > > visible. > So indicate that it'll be publicly archiv

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-25 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 11:41:11PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 04:09:46PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you're asking to be communicated. > > > The following of the mail looks perfect to me, I would really have > > liked to have a place where I

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-24 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 04:09:46PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > I'm not sure what you're asking to be communicated. > The following of the mail looks perfect to me, I would really have > liked to have a place where I could have read that in the first place. > db.d.o/machines.cgi does not li

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-24 Thread Gustavo Franco
On 2/24/07, Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2007 at 12:16:52PM -0300, Gustavo Franco wrote: > That's up to the person behind the *my* you wrote, disclose $ADDRESS > and $NUMBER. The same can't be said about our email address, so what's > the point really? I don't think the

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-24 Thread Joey Hess
Anthony Towns wrote: > I guess we need something that'll do that anyway, though. How about the > attached > as a proof of concept? Nice output, but a bit buggy in my tests. I've changed it to use --with-colons, and keep the --with-colons output, so it looks like a diff. (I also added caching for

Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!

2007-02-24 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007, Mark Brown wrote: > You are assuming that the person sending the e-mail is aware that > the information they are sending is going to end up publically > visible. So indicate that it'll be publicly archived, and that private information should be encrypted and sent out of band

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-24 Thread Jens Peter Secher
On 2/25/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jens Peter Secher wrote: > it seems to me that a very simple solution would need > > 1. A trusted machine with a subversion (say) repository, to which only > the keyring-assistants have access. > > 2. A directory in this repository with one *.key f

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-24 Thread Joey Hess
Jens Peter Secher wrote: > it seems to me that a very simple solution would need > > 1. A trusted machine with a subversion (say) repository, to which only > the keyring-assistants have access. > > 2. A directory in this repository with one *.key file for each key in > the keyring. The *.key fil

Re: gpg changesets (was Re: Bits from the DPL: DSA and buildds and DAM, oh my!)

2007-02-24 Thread Jens Peter Secher
On 2/24/07, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anthony Towns wrote: > That's a technical issue, however -- one that seems like it should be > emminently solvable. Ensuring that any such solution is written in a way > that encourages auditability (of the code, of the input and of the output) > i

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